Used oil analysis came back, very high copper

[allan5oh]

http://www.oilanalysis.net/CommonFil...I=DABWIN_61966

32,000 miles on the oil (550 hours not 450).

I wonder if bronze(wrist pin bushings) will show up as copper. That's what happened to my engine 3 years ago when it blew, wrist pins.

I see 4 possible sources of copper:

- wrist pin bushings
- oil cooler (was replaced 3 years ago with engine rebuild)
- bearings(not likely)
- copper gasket for oil drain plug (where sample was taken)

[Kranky]

Bearings and thrust washers.

[allan5oh]

The problem with bearings is that there would be other associated wear, lead, etc...

Heres a good link I found:

http://www.oaitesting.com/g2047.pdf

[allan5oh]

I noticed that Chromium was high as well, but not "abnormal".

0.7 Vs. 1 which is "abnormal".

Chromium = rings

Seems as though the oil squirters aren't doing their job properly. This is what happened to my engine when it blew 3 years ago.

A question... is it possible the non-OEM filters are causing this?

[bob h]

http://www.oilanalysis.net/CommonFiles/reports/RPT_WCA.asp?ReportPage=RPT_WCALVL1.asp&LabId=24237 21&WUI=DABWIN_61966

32,000 miles on the oil (550 hours not 450).

I wonder if bronze(wrist pin bushings) will show up as copper. That's what happened to my engine 3 years ago when it blew, wrist pins.

I see 4 possible sources of copper:

- wrist pin bushings
- oil cooler (was replaced 3 years ago with engine rebuild)
- bearings(not likely)
- copper gasket for oil drain plug (where sample was taken)

oil drain plug gasket ?!? you're pulling my leg, right?

[bob h]

Bearings and thrust washers.

thrusts are not copper

[allan5oh]

oil drain plug gasket ?!? you're pulling my leg, right?

It is copper, but I really doubt it would do anything like this. If it was a couple huge slivers, I'd say yes.

So Bob, what do you think it is?

[emerlin]

Throwing pennies in your crankcse does not bring good luck!

[Maniac]

Cat brand anti-sieze is made with copper, but if you haven't ever used it that wouldn't be it either.

[bob h]

oil drain plug gasket ?!? you're pulling my leg, right?

It is copper, but I really doubt it would do anything like this. If it was a couple huge slivers, I'd say yes.

So Bob, what do you think it is?

make sure you take your samples from 1/2 way through the drain; not at the beginning or end... even this is a sloppy oil analysis collection

[allan5oh]

Yeah I took it "about" half way through. I have a little plug on the kleenoil filter so I can take it right off there now(yes its BEFORE the filter).

[bob h]

Yeah I took it "about" half way through. I have a little plug on the kleenoil filter so I can take it right off there now(yes its BEFORE the filter).

shouldn't have high copper

[allan5oh]

I was thinking about this, and a couple times in middle of winter when it was -35 or colder I had problems with there being no oil pressure for about 3-4 seconds. I'm thinking even after that, there's nothing squirting onto the pistons because it's so damn thick. That might've damaged the bushings. Time to get a better winter oil.

[bob h]

I was thinking about this, and a couple times in middle of winter when it was -35 or colder I had problems with there being no oil pressure for about 3-4 seconds. I'm thinking even after that, there's nothing squirting onto the pistons because it's so damn thick. That might've damaged the bushings. Time to get a better winter oil.

-35 is far too cold for 15w40

[yoopr]

Time to get a better winter oil.

Not if you put a magnetic Oil Pan Heater when you're parked for the night

[Dejanh]

Not if you put a magnetic Oil Pan Heater when you're parked for the night

What winter oil do you reccomend and how much does it cost to get a Oil Pan heater, do you own it?

[xzostd1]

Not if you put a magnetic Oil Pan Heater when you're parked for the night

What winter oil do you reccomend and how much does it cost to get a Oil Pan heater, do you own it?

In Green Bay WI. at Fleet Farm you can buy a 150watt 110volt silicone pad heater. You glue this approx 5"x5" pad on the oil pan with orange high temp silicone. In -20F my oil pan is warm to the touch plugged in overnight. They also have the magnetic heaters which are similarly priced
I think I paid $19 for the silicone heater
Bill

[Dejanh]

I would need to have an inverter of some kind built in then, if you plug it in over night wouldnt that drain you batteries and do you have a pic of how it looks like as i am really interested in this....

[xzostd1]

I would need to have an inverter of some kind built in then, if you plug it in over night wouldnt that drain you batteries and do you have a pic of how it looks like as i am really interested in this....

This would be used if you plugged into shore power. For my on the road preheat I have a Webasto engine heater. Do a "webasto" search and check it out. I love it ....you set the digital timer to turn the heater on 2 hrs before you want start...very cool!
Bill

[allan5oh]

Second sample came back... copper is much lower, but is on track to be high again...

http://www.oilanalysis.net/CommonFil...I=DABWIN_61966

227 ppm on 52,000 kms and now 21 ppm on 11,000 kms.