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    I chatted with an OO from Michigan a few days ago. 28 yrs driving, 12 as an OO. He's a Landstar contractor, and loving it. Has a late model Pete almost paid off already, said his longest day is 8 hrs, gets to pick and choose his loads, doesn't get hassled if he decides to go fishing or golfing for a week and let the rig set...and he's close to retirement, he's made his money, just getting a few more years in before hanging it up and spending lots of time with his sweetheart.

    Averages 4800 gross a week, said 3100 after all expenses and dicking around are taken out.


    Sounds like a blast to me, however I have to remember this is a 28 yr driver with experience that is priceless.

    Some folks have business savvy and others don't, this guy apparently has alot if it

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    Starting Mileage Pay:
    0-1 year: .28
    1-2 years: .29
    2-3 years: .30
    3+ years: .31
    They dont pay very well for that kind of work, Do they!?

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    True indeed! Please remember those starting pay rates are for drivers that have no prior tank experience. I also know that Bynum will start an experienced tanker-yanker higher than a regular driver. But, also remember that in food-grade several companies (mine included) have it the easiest. Being said, we as drivers do only that...drive to the shipper or receiver, weigh in, and pull or back into a bay. We absolutely deal with no involvement of physically loading/unloading, and our freight/customers don't usually entail long waits, not to mention are pleasant to deal with.

    Job satisfaction plays a major role in being successful and happy doing this occupation. There's much more to it than the money aspect. Many drivers I encounter in this realm of trucking are 20+ years older than I and have been around the block many times over. There's an overwhelming, unanimous agreement that this is the best kept secret in the business. Having consistent, long runs and being able to, over the course of a year, legally run many less trips but with more miles than the usual company driver freight-hauler (not to mention a very relaxed, laid-back work environment with much less b.s.). This makes it very attractive to a driver who doesn't feel the need or want to make a sky-high c.p.m. figure and doesn't want to do short-to-medium length runs. Once again, it's not always about the money...

    Our customer base is so small here that you could almost call it dedicated. Once you've been with a company several months to a year you quickly learn the freight system, and can accurately predict where you'll pick-up and deliver to. As for my company, there aren't many customers remaining that I haven't been to! The other nice thing is that many of our customers have no issues with us showing up early to get unloaded, much less parking at their facility and staying overnight. Dairy (milk/cream) and eggs are outstanding in this regard! Almost every run I do is scheduled the day after I actually arrived to unload and have entered in my journal here and on the other site...

    Now here's a touchy issue for many but I have to mention it (not trying to insult anyone's intelligence or start an argument either so no offense is meant by it). Being that many companies pay per diem helps out with the actual bring home each payday vice waiting until tax time to get it back (I know many who hate it, I personally like it). In a nutshell this means that true, a per diem driver will make much less gross income than a straight rate driver, but depending upon how great the difference is in pay rate, can actually bring home the same or more each payday, but will bring in less at tax time!

    Let's do a comparison for fun . Let's say that I was a driver with two years experience and decided to go along these different options for companies...Shaffer where I'd be making .38 to start (my former high-paying employer of a couple years ago who currently advertise that drivers are averaging 121,400 miles and $53,800 annually...hey, that works out to .443), Heartland Express .435 (including bonus), Bynum .28 (.07 per diem), and then we'll use two sets of numbers for here at Aartman to see the difference (first will be set as a newly hired driver who will only take 75 days off annually, compared to my 88 days for the per diem allowance). We'll use the averages for mileage of 122,000 for the high payers, and 140,000 for Bynum and the "new" Aartman driver, and my figures from the past year. We're going to take into account that all things will be equal as to say this will be based upon mileage and milage bonus only. That no extra stops or unloading will be done for the two freight companies, no cash advances will be taken out, no insurance is being purchased by the driver, no 401k contributions are being made, and the tax rate is 25%. Figures will be rounded up/down when necessary. Here we go....

    Heartland Express
    122,000 x .435 = $53,070 Gross
    $53,070 - 13,268 = $39,802 Net

    Shaffer/Crete
    122,000 x .38 = $46,360 + $200 quarterly bonus (averaging quarterly mileage against bonus program requirements) = $46,560 Gross
    $46,560 - 11,590 = $34,770 Net

    Jim Aartman (using new hire figure first)
    140,000 x .33 = $46,200 Gross
    290 Days x $41 = $11,890 Per Diem
    $46,200 - 11,890 = $34,310 Adjusted Gross
    $34,310 - 8,578 = $25,732
    $25,732 + 11,890 = $37,622 Net

    (now with my stats)
    $45,277 Total mileage pay (went through old pay scale with two raises)
    277 Days x $41 = 11,357 Per Diem
    $45,277 - 11,357 = $33,920 Adjusted Gross
    $33,920 - 8,480 = $25,440
    $25,440 + 11,357 = $36,797 Net

    Bynum
    140,000 x .21 = $29,400 Gross
    140,000 x .07 = $9,800 Per Diem
    $29,400 - 7,350 = $22,050
    $22,250 + 9,800 = $31,850

    We all know that these numbers can be adjusted up or down, but from personal experience I ran 118,045 miles my first year at Shaffer and when I left them was on pace for maybe 110,000 my second year :shock:! I do know drivers there who had no problem getting 130,000 miles annually, but it was not the average or norm. In food-grade 140,000 miles annually is not hard to achieve, and many drivers get upwards and above 150,000.

    Basically it still all boils down to what works for one individual will not work out for another, based upon needs and wants :wink:...


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    This is a great post. Top notch outstanding info , thank you.

    I have a few questions however.

    I went to Aartmans page and not a whole lot of info there about some things.

    I live in Northwest Iowa on the border of Nebraska, South Dakota and Iowa, in Sioux City. Where is it that you live? Do you think I would have much shot at getting hired on living in this area? I have relatives and grew up in Southern Cal and wouldnt be too awfully opposed to having to change domicile.

    My experience is from 1992 until 2000 I drove mainly over the road. In 2000 I went to work for a Local Asphalt Company and have been there now 5 years driving a semi pulling a side dump, belly dump and asphalt tanker. Do you think my OTR experience would be enough for them or does it get washed out by 5 years local?

    What really intrigues me about your posts are the very nice long hauls from Fla to Ca. My goodness if I could just do that every day I wouldnt really want to get home heh.

    Any way it really looks very appealing to me and wanted to get your thoughts on my chances of employment with Aartman. I have pretty much decided that this will be my last season in construction and long for the big road once again after all this city traffic.

    Thanks again for the outstanding posts.

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    Hey there James!

    Where the webpage doesn't give answers, I do :wink:... The area you live in is actually good, and your experience should slide you right in if you want to come here. We pull LOTS of eggs outta Iowa (Rembrandt and Thompson). Mind you though, those runs can be fast-paced, and many drivers don't like doing them because you have to run 11-10-11-10 to get them to California. However, once you get unloaded you're going to have the next day off anyway to rest up. Again, you'd have no problem getting hired from where you're at now, and especially not if in SoCal.

    Our main freight lanes for drivers running off the California board are I-80, I-40, and occasionally I-10, the last one only if you happen to run a load south. We don't run I-70, and of course are paid to run via Salt Lake City when going to/coming from the Midwest from/to SoCal. A small note of interest, our miles are paid using P.C. Miler Practical Route ! It's nice knowing that what I actually drive, I'm getting accurately paid for.

    Technically, I live in Florida but split my time off between there and Indiana with family and friends. I also tend to take a day here, day there in California also. They're very flexible with your time off, provided you stay within reason, and pick-up/deliver your loads on time. You can scour my posts and see that from the amount of time I take off.

    As for the long hauls, yep, we have plenty of them. Theoretically, someone living in California or the Midwest could run back and forth between there almost exclusively, which would keep you around an average trip length of 2,000 miles. You could almost never go to Florida, unless there were no Midwest stuff available, and then you'd run south and work your way into Florida then for one of the really long runs!

    As for our equipment, you can click on the links and see what we run (we also have a few older International 9200's and Western Star 4964's, but they're very few and far between). Our trucks are serviced every 15,000 miles, and the trucks are all spec'd the same...

    -Cat C-12/C-13 set at 430 h.p./1650 ft.lb. torque.
    -10-speed trans., 3.70 ratio (Petes are 3.56, new KW's are 3.36).
    -75 m.p.h.
    -Sleeper sizes: T-800 and 9200 72", Columbia 70", 379 63", Western Star 50" (All single bunks).
    -Jake brake.
    -Fixed fifth wheel.
    -Cruise control.
    -Tilt/telescoping steering wheel.
    -AM/FM/CD/Sat radio ready receiver.

    Anyway, if you need contact info shoot me a p.m. and I'll give ya the man to talk with. Please feel free to ask any questions you have about the company, loads, equipment, etc. Be safe .


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    This is a great and informative thread, especially for this noobie who is information hungry.
    Kudos to you, Cyanide.
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    Quick update for y'all...

    Hey everybody, hope this finds all well. I had a pretty good vacation myself, and figured I'd better get back to work! Been fairly busy the last couple of weeks. Will be taking off a few more days later next week after returning to the Midwest on this next load. Meant to tell y'all that anyone wanting to contact me needs to shoot me an email when I'm out here on the road. I have no computer with me, and am presently using a t/s computer kiosk!!! Anyway, here's what I've done since vacation.

    Week 27:
    Vacation.

    Week 28:
    -Braselton, GA to Jacksonville, FL (tank wash), then to Blackshear, GA for load to Ripon, CA (477 empty-2,652 loaded=3,129 total.....washout and live load 07-11/0700-0845, Drop & Hook 07-14). Took the 15th off in Ripon.
    End of week total: 3,129 miles.

    Week 29:
    -Ripon, CA to Hilmar, CA for load going to Greenwood, WI (29 empty-2,155 loaded=2,184 total.....washout and live load 07-16/0325-0435, live unload and washout 07-19/0600-0700).
    -Greenwood, WI to Farina, IL for load going to Las Vegas, NV (513 empty-1,839 loaded=2,352 total.....washout and live load 07-20/0600-0840, live unload 07-22/1110-1300).
    End of week total: 4,536 miles.

    Here's what I'm planned for next once I leave Vegas (dadgum 34 hour reset I tell ya )...

    Week 30 (subject to change, will correct if necessary):
    -Las Vegas, NV to Tulare, CA (tank wash), then to Tipton, CA for load going to Stockton, IL (360 empty-2,079 loaded=2,439 total.....scheduled to washout and live load 07-24, scheduled to unload 07-27).
    End of week total: 2,439 miles.


    2005 Totals (will adjust as necessary)
    Miles: 84,175
    Loads: 41 (82)
    Live Loads/Unloads: 69 (84%)
    Drop and Hooks: 13 (16%)
    Length of Haul: 2,053 miles
    Days Working: 149
    Days Off: 54

    Y'all be safe and have fun :wink:.


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    Thanks for that post, Maybe when I get good in a couple of years I might try that tank thing.
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    What's up!

    Hey everyone, how are y'all doing! Well I hope. I've just been out there running my miles and working out as usual. I did enjoy the fact of being able to see Malevolent Creation on vacation, and then twice again after I'd left out . I reckon I should get this caught up so I can move on to the holiday weekend. Let's see now, where'd I leave off at...

    Week 30:
    -Las Vegas, NV to Tulare, CA (tank wash), then to Tipton, CA for load going to Stockton, IL (360 empty-2,079 loaded=2,439 total.....washout and live load 07-24/0135-0250, live unload and washout 07-27/1300-1500). Then took a few days off in Fair Oaks.
    End of week total: 2,439 miles.

    Week 31:
    -Stockton IL to Fair Oaks, IN (swap tanks), then to Neosho, MO for load going to Norco, CA (792 empty-1,513 loaded=2,305 total.....washout and live load 08-02/0730-1030, Drop and Hook 08-04).
    End of week total: 2,305 miles.

    Week 32:
    -Norco, CA to Chino, CA (tank wash), then to Tipton, CA for load going to Stockton, IL (215 empty-2,079 loaded= 2,294 total.....washout and live load 08-05/2100-2250, live load and washout 08-09/1245-1500).
    -Stockton, IL to Neosho, MO for load going to Vernon, CA (634 empty-1,548 loaded=2,182 total.....washout and live load 08-11/0515-0745, live unload 08-13/0600-0950).
    End of week total: 4,476 miles.

    Week 33:
    -Vernon, CA to Chino, CA (tank wash), then to Tipton, CA for load going to Waupun, WI (250 empty-2,228 loaded=2,478 total.....washout and live load 08-15/0300-0500, live load and washout 08-18/0145-0305).
    -Waupun, WI to Fair Oaks, IN for load going to Braselton, GA (237 empty-685 loaded=922 total.....live load 08-19/0445-0515, live unload and washout 08-20/1450-1700).
    End of week total: 3,400 miles.

    Week 34:
    -Braselton, GA to Blackshear, GA for load going to Ripon, CA (285 empty-2,652 loaded=2,937 total.....washout and live load 08-22/0600-0825, Drop and Hook 08-25).
    End of week total: 2,937 miles.

    Week 35:
    -Ripon, CA to Hilmar, CA for load going to Greenwood, WI (29 empty-2,155 loaded=2,184 total.....washout and live load 08-26/0745-0950, live unload and washout 08-30/0430-0530).
    -Greenwood, WI to Fair Oaks, IN for load going to Winter Haven, FL (384 empty-1,121 loaded=1,505 total.....Drop and Hook 08-30, live unload and washout 09-01/0650-0835). From there back to the house where I now am enjoying the next few days off til I get back at it on Thursday .
    End of week total: 3,689 miles.

    2005 Totals (with leaving out 09-08 )
    Miles: 100,982
    Loads: 49 (98 )
    Live Loads/Unloads: 82 (84%)
    Drop and Hooks: 16 (16%)
    Length of Haul: 2,061 miles
    Days Working: 185
    Days Off: 65

    If everything stays as scheduled, I'll reload sometime Thursday in Ft. Pierce, FL and head back out to Turlock , CA...my figures will look something like this(add 156 empty miles and 2,843 loaded for 2,999 total):
    Miles: 103,981
    Loads: 50 (100)
    Live Loads/Unloads: 83 (83%)
    Drop and Hooks: 17 (17%)
    Length of Haul: 2,080 miles

    Y'all be safe and have fun :wink:...


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    Nice Writeup and tons of good Info in general on this thread!

    Thanks for taking the time to let us know whats up!

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    arty: :wink:


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    Howdy Cyanide.
    Still following your thread and even managed to find your original one over on TruckNet. Great reading all about your travels from the beginning.

    I am ready to start applying to Food Grade OTR companies and have been researching quite a bit. I haven't called anyone on the phone as of yet and instead have been reading as much as I can find.

    It appears as though Aartman will not hire me living in Iowa. They seem to only hire in a very select few states and dont consider Local driving as experience. :twisted:

    I will call them to be sure but it appears they may be out of the question unless I move.

    Indian River and Oakley do hire in Iowa and seem to take local exp into consideration. I know you worked for Indian River and wanted to ask if it would be worth it to pursue a job with them. I know you had equip probs and such with them so wanted to get your input.
    Oakley seems decent enough although seem to be pretty desperate for Drivers and that sends up a bit of a red flag. What do you know about their operations? Do you see them in California and the Midwest much? Ever talked to any of their drivers?

    There is a company nearby here called Weinrich have you ever come across them in your travels? They seem to be small maybe 100 trucks or so.

    I have reefer companies beating down my door but dont want to even consider that this time around and I am sure you know why hehe.

    Hope all is well and hope to hear from you soon .

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    *Bump* because it is one damned informative post!
    Brang it On!

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    Hey y'all!!!

    Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm alive and well out here. Just haven't had a lot of time to catch up on here, but I will once I get by a computer and have LOTS of time! I've got a bunch of trips to update y'all on. As always, y'all be safe and have fun...I know that I am !


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    How the heck is everyone !!

    Hope this finds you all doing great and getting ready for Halloween. I've been sitting at the house for a few hours. Taking a quick break for the night before running my truck and tank down to the Mulberry yard tomorrow... then returning to the house until the 3rd. Figure that should be enough time off for the running I did this time out. Boy have I been having fun! Been getting plenty of miles and lots of workouts at the gyms (I'd have to go way back in my workout log to find the last time I worked out inside the truck ).

    Week 36:
    -N/A due to time off.

    Week 37:
    -Winter Haven to Mulberry, FL (swap tanks) then to Haines City, FL (tank wash), then to Fort Pierce, FL for load going to Turlock, CA (156 empty + 2,843 loaded = 2,999 total.....live load 09-08/1500-1800, Drop & Hook 09-12).
    -Turlock, CA to Ripon, CA (tank wash and a day off), then to Hilmar, CA for load going to Greenwood, WI (52 empty + 2,155 loaded = 2,207 total.....washout and live load 09-14/0745-1055, live unload and washout 09-17/1140-1320). This load was fun because the tank I was assigned had a smaller capacity than our others and when Hilmar tried loading 51,000 pounds well, let's just say I became the "Fountain of Cream" ! Hence the longer than usual load time... Needless to say the mess was cleaned up and some of the product was pumped off to accomodate the smaller tank, and away I went :wink:.
    End of week total: 5,206 miles.

    Week 38:
    -Greenwood, WI to Fair Oaks, IN (two days off) for load going to Winter Haven, FL (384 empty + 1,121 loaded = 1,505 total.....Drop & Hook 09-20, live unload and washout 09-21/2215-0020).
    End of week total: 1,505 total.

    Week 39:
    -Winter Haven, FL to Fort Pierce, FL for load going to City of Industry, CA (105 empty + 2,633 loaded = 2,738 total.....live load 09-22/1525-1755, live unload 09-27/1115-1540). Got a few extra loaded miles on this trip since I had to slightly reroute due to Hurricane Katrina.
    -C.O.I., CA to Tulare, CA (tank wash), then to Tipton, CA for load going to Waupun, WI (206 empty + 2,228 loaded = 2,434 total.....washout and live load 09-28/0145-0440, live unload and washout 10-01/2145-2310).
    End of week total: 5,172 miles.

    Week 40:
    -Waupun, WI to Farina, IL for load going to Las Vegas, NV (396 empty + 1,839 loaded = 2,235 total.....washout and live load 10-03/0500-0815, live unload 10-05/1240-1525).
    End of week total: 2,235 miles.

    Week 41:
    -Las Vegas, NV to Tulare, CA (tank wash), then to Tipton, CA for load going to Stockton, IL (360 empty + 2,079 loaded = 2,439 total.....washout and live load 10-07/0755-0905, live unload and washout 10-10/1750-1900).
    -Stockton, IL to Thompson, IA for load going to Norco, CA (262 empty + 1,882 loaded = 2,144 total.....washout and live load 10-11/0720-1015, Drop & Hook 10-13).
    End of week total: 4,583 miles.

    Week 42:
    -Norco, CA to Chino, CA (tank wash and day off), then to Tipton, CA for load going to Stockton, IL (215 empty + 2,079 loaded = 2,294 total.....washout and live load 10-15/2210-0115, live unload and washout 10-19/1630-1830).
    -Stockton, IL to Fair Oaks, IN (day off) for load going to Murfreesboro, TN (210 empty + 435 loaded = 645 total.....live load 10-21/0045-0150, live unload and washout 10-22/0600-1025).
    End of week total: 2,939 miles.

    Week 43:
    -Murfreesboro, TN to Fair Oaks, IN for load originally scheduled to Winter Haven, FL, but reconsigned to Atlanta, GA after getting to Perry, GA due to Hurricane Wilma (435 empty + 867 loaded = 1,302 total.....live load 10-23/1015-1145, live unload and washout 10-25/0530-0745).
    End of week total: 1,302 miles.

    And now I sit here at the house finishing this up so that I can go to bed :P! Here's all my numbers with everything finally updated. It sure is nice having already driven in ten months what some companies consider average miles for the entire year, and with plenty of time off.

    2005 Totals (with leaving out 11-03)
    Miles: 123,924
    Loads: 60 (120)
    Live Loads/Unloads: 101 (84%)
    Drop and Hooks: 19 (16%)
    Length of Haul: 2,065 miles
    Days Working: 229
    Days Off: 77

    Y'all be safe and as always...HAVE FUN ;-)!!!



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    Hey there Cyanide!

    I start work at Cenex Harvest States on Oct 31, for training. I'll be hauling Propane, Fuel, and Anhydrous Ammonium. I must first say that my only tanker exp is in a construction dump truck with a box style tank in the back, about 1,500 gallons. I will be operating tanker doubles with this company. So I'm more than a little nervous, especially with what I'll be hauling!

    The questions I have are that this is a Union position, and I've heard some rumors all of the sudden that I will either run hard as a mule, or not at all. Meaning that there's seniority involved here, and I might lose out on loads to one or more of the other few drivers here. Most of my loads, especially in the winter, will be to Canada for Propane. I live in central Montana. The trucks do not have sleepers, the company pays for my hotel when I'm out overnight. They also pay for meals, I think it's $30 or so.

    I make .31 cents per mile, and $12.50 an hour when I'm loading/unloading, delays, etc. And on rare occasions, when I'm in a 25 mile radius of my home, I make $14.00 an hour. Does this sound like a good deal to you? I'd like any comments and advice from you on my new situation here.

    P.S. I was making $11.00 an hour for a beverage distributor before getting this job. I have about two years of total driving exp, with only four months of that being OTR.

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    Hey there Aviator...

    Sorry for not getting back to ya sooner (especially since you were starting yesterday). Be extra careful with those doubles. I don't have any idea about the surge factor with the some of the products you'll be hauling...but perhaps there is someone here who does :?: :?: :?: Concerning fuel however, a very good friend who used to pull a smoothbore chemical tank now yanks a fuel tanker for Flying J and says that with the multi-compartments, surge is almost non-existent for front-to-back movement. But of course that still leaves side-to-side!

    I can't help with anything being pro/con about the company being union, though initially it sounds like a good deal since many praise the union (especially on another trucking forum). Living in FL though, we don't see many unions (for driving positions) except for the usual players such as Yellow/Roadway, ABF, UPS, etc. Of course I also know several non-unon drivers who make similar income with equal benefits but without paying monthly dues ...but that's another issue altogether. Sorry, I'm getting sidetracked here.

    As for the basic pay structure you stated, I've seen several other chemical outfits that pay equal or greater mileage and accessory pay rates but, that's also for having a full year plus of O.T.R. experience. Depending on how much delay/hourly pay you accumulate, your total pay broken down according to c.p.m. should be around the high 30's or even low 40's.

    Getting put into a hotel every night doesn't sound bad at all...but if you're under a load I'm wondering where the company wants you to park loaded boom, er, hazmat trailers LOL :P. Maybe I'm not paying attention, but I've never noticed a hazmat tank of any sort in a hotel parking lot unless it was off to the side in an overflow dirt lot. I'm sure though that they have arrangements figured out for situations when you may be out overnight.

    Keep us posted and good luck in your endeavors. Be safe and have fun :wink:!


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    Thanks for the update cyanide!

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    Hey everybody. Hope this finds y'all doing well and recovering from Turkeyday leftovers :P!!! I am, though I didn't make it in for Thanksgiving at home, I was able to share dinner with a driver and family at Fair Oaks, IN. I was to be in last Wednesday however, shades of the past reared it's ugly head for one of our other drivers in California...he was hit with a death in the family the week prior to the holiday and needed to be home so I covered his load. I view this as being no big deal, just helping out another driver in time of need, much as I was a few years ago when I experienced the same. I wish him and his family the best...

    Made it in early last evening and enjoying my time off until I head back out late Sunday night/early Monday morning. I'll stay out until just before Christmas and try to rack up as much "Santa credit" as possible LOL . I've been running good and as always with this line of work, consistent. I've also been able to keep my workouts going in intervals of one on-two off on average and at regular gyms, which makes me very happy. It looks as though I may be able to take my weights out of the truck with the little road-gym network I've established along my running lanes. In a nutshell, things have been good for and to me, so without any further delay let me post my update...

    Week 44:
    -Atlanta, GA to Mulberry, FL (swap tanks and tank wash), then to Arcadia, FL for load going to Paw Paw, MI (541 empty + 1,285 loaded = 1,826 total.....live load 11-04/0755-0915, Drop & Hook 11-05).
    End of week total: 1,826 miles.

    Week 45:
    -Paw Paw, MI to Kankakee, IL (tank wash), then to Neosho, MO for load going to Norco, CA (699 empty + 1,513 loaded = 2,212 total.....washout and live load 11-08/0730-0940, Drop & Hook 11-10).
    End of week total: 2,212 miles.

    Week 46:
    -Norco, CA to Tulare, CA (tank wash), then to Tipton, CA for load going to Stockton, IL (233 empty + 2,079 loaded = 2,312 total.....washout and live load 11-11/0500-0840, live unload and washout 11-14/1305-1600).
    -Stockton, IL to Farina, IL for load going to Las Vegas, NV (331 empty + 1,839 loaded = 2,170 total.....washout and live load 11-15/1145-1350, live unload 11-18/0900-1120).
    End of week total: 4,482 miles.

    Week 47:
    -Las Vegas, NV to Tulare, CA (tank wash), then to Lemoore, CA for load going to Greenwood, WI (380 empty + 2,116 loaded = 2,596 total.....washout and live load 11-19/2300-0040, live unload and washout 11-23/0530-0635).
    -Greenwood, WI to Fair Oaks, IN for load going to Atlanta, GA (384 empty + 655 loaded = 1,039 total.....Drop & Hook 11-25, live unload and washout 11-26/1230-1520).
    End of week total: 3,635 miles + holiday pay.

    From that load here to the house, then here's how things look upon leaving...barring any changes of course (these numbers are added into the yearly totals below).

    Week 48:
    -N/A due to time off.

    Week 49 (Subject to change):
    -Atlanta, GA to Jacksonville, FL (tank wash), then to Georgia for load going to California (432 empty + 2,652 loaded = 3,084 total).
    End of week total: 3,084 miles.

    2005 Totals (with leaving out 12-05)
    Miles: 139,163
    Loads: 67 (134)
    Live Loads/Unloads: 112 (84%)
    Drop and Hooks: 22 (16%)
    Length of Haul: 2,077 miles
    Days Working: 251
    Days Off: 87

    Y'all have fun and be safe :wink:...


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    Happy New Year!

    Hope this finds everyone doing well after Christmas and with tonight approaching, ready to be safe. I've got to make this quick and with not much detail, but I will update all of my 2005 results in the next post, probably sometime around the beginning of February (Saint Nick isn't getting any cheaper :P!). I can say that I was able to achieve my work goals of running 145,000+ paid miles, taking 90+ days off for the year, and keeping my workouts on track, wherever I did them throughout the country.

    I'll also see about accumulating current info for the other food-grade companies I've listed in the other posts concerning pay and benefits, as we here at Aartman have a couple of minor changes in effect starting tomorrow concerning our mileage pay and per diem for line-haul, and pay for our dedicated milk fleet (listed below). Finally, in case anyone's curious, Aartman did recently acquire Milk Movers of Hagerman, NM. Y'all have fun and once again be safe, especially tonight :wink:...

    JIM AARTMAN INC., Line Haul Division (1 year O.T.R. required)
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    Starting mileage pay (Practical Route):
    0-6 months: .32
    7 months-1 Year: .33
    1+ Years: .34

    Per Diem:
    $54 per day out. Pay is NOT TAXED.

    Layover Pay (after 48 hours, retroactive to first 24 hours):
    $50.

    Cellphone Pay (CA-based and DFA Dedicated trucks only. FL-based trucks have qualcomm.):
    $30/month.

    Quarterly Mileage Bonus (CA-based trucks only. FL-based trucks required to run 39,000 miles/quarter, or bonus reduced by half.):
    0-5 Years: .02 all miles.
    6-10 Years: .03
    11+ Years: .04

    Vacation Pay:
    Paid average weekly taxable earnings.
    1 week at 1 year.
    2 weeks at 3 years.
    3 weeks at 8 years.

    Holiday Pay (Must be dispatched under a load):
    $100 each for New Year's Day, Easter Sunday, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, and Christmas.

    Time Off:
    10-14 days out, 2-3 days in.

    Rider Program (after 90 days):
    Age 10+, not limited to family but preferred.

    Insurance (After 90 days).
    Health and Life Insurance:
    Single plan $25/month.
    Family plan $200/month.

    Dental and Vision Insurance:
    Single plan $25/month.
    Family plan $50/month.

    Insurance Credit:
    $200/month paid to employee who has proof of coverage from elsewhere (spouse, retirement benefits, etc.) in lieu of taking company-offered health, dental, and vision insurance plans.

    AFLAC supplemental insurance also available.

    401k (After 1 Year):
    Company matches 100% of first 5% driver contributes.

    Operating Area:
    (CA-based trucks) California to the Midwest, Midwest to California, Midwest to the Southeast, Southeast to California.
    (FL-based trucks) Southeast to the Midwest, Southeast to TX, Midwest to the Southeast, TX to the Southeast, Florida to California, California to the Midwest.

    JIM AARTMAN INC., Dedicated D.F.A. Milk Division (1 year O.T.R. required)
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    Starting mileage pay (HHG):
    0-6 months: .33
    6 months-1 year: .34
    1-2 years: .35
    2-4 years: .36
    4+ years: .365

    Semi-Annual Mileage Bonus:
    .01 all miles.

    Time Off:
    7-10 days out, 2-3 days in.

    All other pay and benefits are the same as line-haul division.

    Operating Area:
    MO, IN, IL, WI, MN, MI, OH, KY, TN, GA, NC, SC, VA, PA, MD, Western/Upstate NY.


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