USF Glen Moore

[madaxeman]

Glen Moore treated me very well and weren't full of sheet like most companies who blow smoke up your rear. I think most Glen Moore drivers would agree after talking to and working along side them all year. I really enjoyed working for them.

Thanks for screwing me and a whole lot of other drivers the week before Christmas, Celadon! It only costed me $200 out of my pocket to get home with my property. You offer people a bus ticket or the price of one which does a whole lot of good to get home when you have all of your stuff in your truck. You force all of our Glen Moore loads there then give them away to Celadon drivers while we sit there in your fire hazard cluster funk of what you call a drivers lounge and classroom. That was the most disorganized sheet I've ever seen. You have several different management employees all telling you something different when you ask specific questions about the company. Then, you won't let us leave the terminal since we don't have our personal vehicles there because you forced us there with no advanced notice (like it's a Nazi concentration camp). That communal bathroom, those showers and those bunk rooms are beyond disgusting. Charge drivers for a prepass (a company expense...not a driver expense) then force them onto the crappiest route possible but don't pay them for the miles so they can use all of their hours on your e-logs. Sit for an entire 48 hours before you pay a dime of layover pay. Sit for four hours before you pay one cent of detention pay. Who cares, right? Celadon profits off of the misfortunes of others. Screw the drivers! You're number one...and I'm not holding up my index finger. Happy Holidays from Strap-it-on!

[Malaki86]

I take it that you didn't stay with Celadon? I've been here for 18 months now and, for the most part, pretty happy. They keep me rolling, that's for sure. I've got right at 120,000 miles in for this year and I've already had 3 weeks vacation, as well as my normal time off. I'm due home tomorrow to start my Christmas vacation and won't come back out until the 2nd.

No, they're anything but perfect, but, like I said, for the most part, they keep me happy.

BTW - if you think that the Indy terminal has nasty conditions in the bathroom/showers, glad you didn't go to our Laredo terminal and especially not the Richmond one. Greensboro, well, there's no shower, just a single bathroom. Waxahachie, that's a good one (best in the company).

[madaxeman]

Stay with Celadon? I never worked for Celadon. Large companies with 1000+ trucks suck. They don't care about you. I'm talking about companies like Celadon, Schneider, JB Hunt, Knight, Western Express, CRST, Transport America, etc...not the ones where you actually make great money. You are dispensible and they don't care if you work for them because they are a mill with 10 people to replace you. What you take home for the year, I made a lot more than that like 4 years ago. I was off 3-4 days every other weekend, too. I was home like clockwork. Sacrificing your entire year (about 85%-90% of your time) and making what you make isn't anything special. Celadon's pay (what you will take home) is a huge downgrade for drivers from Glen Moore. The insurance is a huge downgrade...and yet it costs drivers more! I don't need to be micro-managed 24/7 by ridiculous nonsense policies. You have e-logs because they hire idiot drivers who screwed you all! I'm not going to just park "wherever" because Celadon has given customers 4 hours of YOUR time for free! I'm not going to sit around for two days FOR FREE! I'm not going to be forced on some half-ass route and eat up all of my hours driving miles you are not going paying me for. Sorry! I drive to make a significant amount of cash...not pocket change. They couldn't even cover my cost to get home with my property after they forced me there...because they don't give a flying flock. I don't live in Indianapolis!

[Malaki86]

I was at the Carlisle yard today and spoke with a few of the Glen Moore drivers that were staying. They're keeping the same pay rate. They're also getting new trucks and we have a hell of a lot better trailers than Glen Moore. As for sitting for 2 days waiting on a load, that has happened to me a total of 1 time in the past 21 months I've been with them. And I wasn't the only one sitting - every truck in Laredo at the time was stuck. Why? How about a hurricane that flooded the river. Driving out of route to save tolls - nope. Hell, they deadheaded me home just south of MOrgantown, WV today and they routed me on the turnpike from Carlisle to Bedford. I get a day off for every 7 days I'm out. I get a week's paid vacation for every 30,000 miles I'm dispatched. I just started a 2-week vacation today, and that makes 4 weeks for the year. As for the e-logs, they're going to end up in every truck on the highway anyway, so why worry about it? I get more than enough LEGAL miles that I don't worry about it. I've worked for small companies that MADE you run and made a hell of a lot less money. But, you do your thing, I'll do mine.

[madaxeman]

Very few are "staying". They have either moved on already or they are looking for a new job right now. A lot just used the new truck to get home since Celadon forced everyone there and stranded people. YRC owns the terminal where I parked. I have nowhere to put a 70' truck. Celadon couldn't give me a straight answer about anything when I asked questions. How many days have you sat LESS THAN TWO DAYS AND GOT PAID NOTHING? How many times have you waited at a customer LESS THAN FOUR HOURS AND GOT PAID NOTHING? EXACTLY! Those policies have red flag written all over them or those policies wouldn't exist like that. I guess you never noticed how Glen Moore drivers (and every other company who gives two hours free) were in and out of shippers and consignees...and all of the drivers of companies who give away your time for free were still sitting there. You can dumb down the pay rate but it's not the same. Compare your take home check to a Glen Moore driver's one who was actually running. They are not even close. How many checks (take home pay after taxes, insurance, etc.) do you have that exceed $1000-1200? What is your average take home weekly? According to Celadon's CEO, he said $850 pre-tax which amounts to about 600-700/week. That is nothing! I can work two regular jobs, make more money, have a lot more free time (and by free time, I mean not stuck wherever babysitting a truck and/or load), etc. I made $40k+ the first year I drove, straight out of school, working for a medium-sized company (about 425-450 van drivers). That includes the fact that I started at .295 and got raises every three months boosting me to .35 after a year. That was practical mileage, too. I got paid for about 97-102% of the actual miles I drove. You might get paid for 85-90% of the miles you drive at an already cut rate. I don't think you really realize how much time you sacrifice (from the time you leave in your truck til you get home and out of the truck), the work you do which you get paid $0, etc. Divide your total pay by the quantity of hours you sacrifice of your life in a truck and the pay is mediocre (at best). Four weeks vacation plus the 42 days you earned off (7/8 of a day per week) equals 70 days off for the entire year...or 295 days in a truck 24/7. That is 7080 hours you are stuck in/with a truck. Even if you sleep 8 hours a day (which I don't) and subtract that, it's still 4720 hours. If you are lucky enough to make $40k for the year, that comes to less than $9/hr....and a year gone from your life. You can drive locally for a good company and make more than that. If you are happy with what you make, more power to you. I need a whole lot better than that. You can't "buy more time". I'm not 21 years old. Best of luck to you.

I was at the Carlisle yard today and spoke with a few of the Glen Moore drivers that were staying. They're keeping the same pay rate. They're also getting new trucks and we have a hell of a lot better trailers than Glen Moore. As for sitting for 2 days waiting on a load, that has happened to me a total of 1 time in the past 21 months I've been with them. And I wasn't the only one sitting - every truck in Laredo at the time was stuck. Why? How about a hurricane that flooded the river. Driving out of route to save tolls - nope. Hell, they deadheaded me home just south of MOrgantown, WV today and they routed me on the turnpike from Carlisle to Bedford. I get a day off for every 7 days I'm out. I get a week's paid vacation for every 30,000 miles I'm dispatched. I just started a 2-week vacation today, and that makes 4 weeks for the year. As for the e-logs, they're going to end up in every truck on the highway anyway, so why worry about it? I get more than enough LEGAL miles that I don't worry about it. I've worked for small companies that MADE you run and made a hell of a lot less money. But, you do your thing, I'll do mine.

[Malaki86]

Well, I guess you can look at it like this: USF Glen Moore was in the process of closing down their operations when Celadon made the offer to purchase them. So, you would've been out of a job before the end of the year anyway, along with every other driver for them. It's possible that they could've even went as far as doing what Arrow Trucking did a couple years back. That information came from high up at Celadon's management.

BOL in the job searching

[madaxeman]

That's true that Yellow-Roadway Corp. was going to shut the doors down Jan 1. I heard that after the fact. That's fine...but it was the whole sneaky way that it went down. None of us were told anything! We were just forced to Indy at the last minute. They wouldn't even cover getting me home with my property. I had to pay $175 out of my pocket because Celadon gave me $48 and I had to rent a car which costed about $225 with gas. I could have just stayed at home with all of my stuff since I had just left two days earlier. Regardless, I cleaned the inside of the truck before I left because I have class and do what is right. They have none and don't care about anything. We made $560 million blah blah blah but we treat people like sheet. We don't care how or if you get home with your property. That's what it comes down to. Celadon was only looking at their own financial interests in acquiring the property and customer base for cheap and the almighty dollar they can make from it. They are a greedy corporation and all that matters is making money for shareholders.

[Malaki86]

They're not allowed to tell you anything. Ever hear of the term "insider trading"? Celadon and YRC are publicly traded companies.

As for them only paying you $48 and you had to pay the rest, why is Celadon responsible? You're the one that quit. They didn't fire you. You left on your own.

[Windwalker]

As I recall, back at the "turn of the century", Celadon did not have a very good reputation. A little better than C R England, but not by much. I still haven't figured out how they wiggled out of a conspiracy charge for paying the general manager of another company to run that company into bankruptcy. The (former) general manager of that company went to prison for industrial espionage, and Celadon was actually behind it all. I never worked for them, but I was working for the company that went bankrupt because of them. They got some of the drivers, picked the rolling stock they wanted, and took over the whole customer base.

[Mackman]

hey madaxeman. I dont blame you i would be pissed too. Sounds like you had a good job. Sucks a coolie bought you guys out. Just keep on looking im sure something will pop up.

[Orangetxguy]

That's true that Yellow-Roadway Corp. was going to shut the doors down Jan 1. I heard that after the fact. That's fine...but it was the whole sneaky way that it went down. None of us were told anything! We were just forced to Indy at the last minute. They wouldn't even cover getting me home with my property. I had to pay $175 out of my pocket because Celadon gave me $48 and I had to rent a car which costed about $225 with gas. I could have just stayed at home with all of my stuff since I had just left two days earlier. Regardless, I cleaned the inside of the truck before I left because I have class and do what is right. They have none and don't care about anything. We made $560 million blah blah blah but we treat people like sheet. We don't care how or if you get home with your property. That's what it comes down to. Celadon was only looking at their own financial interests in acquiring the property and customer base for cheap and the almighty dollar they can make from it. They are a greedy corporation and all that matters is making money for shareholders.

While I can appreciate your contempt for Celadon, for the money you are out getting yourself home..........Why are you so surprised that Glen Moore was sold? YRC offered them up for sale a couple years ago, when they sold off the "Logistics" side of USF. You have not mentioned if you received a WARN letter in late October. Did you and the rest of the Glen Moore drivers receive one of those? If so....the hand writing was on the wall. 60 days after the issuance of that WARN....you were going to be out the door. YRC has been slowly sliding into the toilet for 4 years. They should finish the slide in the next year or so.

You had a choice. Drive for Celadon until you found something better.....or walk. You chose to walk. Why cry about your choice?

Perhaps you will find the money you want to make in the Chicago area. I doubt it.

I'm not trying to be ignorant towards you......But you did make a choice.

If you want to try something different, get in touch with Ergon Trucking and see if you can get hooked up with them hauling oil in Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. You would make about what you have been averaging at Glenn Moore....if not 1/2 again as much more.

Ergon Trucking, Inc. Employment

[Windwalker]

While I can appreciate your contempt for Celadon, for the money you are out getting yourself home..........Why are you so surprised that Glen Moore was sold? YRC offered them up for sale a couple years ago, when they sold off the "Logistics" side of USF. You have not mentioned if you received a WARN letter in late October. Did you and the rest of the Glen Moore drivers receive one of those? If so....the hand writing was on the wall. 60 days after the issuance of that WARN....you were going to be out the door. YRC has been slowly sliding into the toilet for 4 years. They should finish the slide in the next year or so.

You had a choice. Drive for Celadon until you found something better.....or walk. You chose to walk. Why cry about your choice?

Perhaps you will find the money you want to make in the Chicago area. I doubt it.

I'm not trying to be ignorant towards you......But you did make a choice.

If you want to try something different, get in touch with Ergon Trucking and see if you can get hooked up with them hauling oil in Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. You would make about what you have been averaging at Glenn Moore....if not 1/2 again as much more.

Ergon Trucking, Inc. Employment

I don't know about Celadon and Glen Moore. I do know that when ITC was sold to M S Carriers back in '98, we got absolutely no warning until one morning in November. We got to the terminal and everybody was milling around. Even the office personal were stunned that the company was sold. No one got any advanced warning about it. And, M S Carriers was one great big step down. Not in their pay, but in the way they treated their drivers. Of the 293 drivers they put on their payroll (out of 315), only six were left after two months. There was very "underhanded" treatment of drivers and a number of flat-out lies. We did find out from one of the former ITC exec's later, that M S Carriers did not want anyone to know they were buying us out because they did not want the drivers to "jump ship".

With the "back door" means that Celadon used to put one of their competing companies out of business, I've never had any respect for them. I would not be the least bit surprised they went about it the same way M S Carriers did. Total and complete surprise. I've always ranked them somewhere along with (not so) Swift.

[madaxeman]

They're not allowed to tell you anything. Ever hear of the term "insider trading"? Celadon and YRC are publicly traded companies.

As for them only paying you $48 and you had to pay the rest, why is Celadon responsible? You're the one that quit. They didn't fire you. You left on your own.

If you disclose it publicly, it isn't insider trading. Companies sell assets and attempt mergers and takeovers all of the time....just like AT&T was trying to acquire T-Mobile....and a billion other deals you see all of the time.

I didn't quit nor was I fired. I NEVER WORKED FOR CELADON...NOR WOULD I EVER! I worked for USF Glen Moore dba YRC Glen Moore. Celadon bought the assets and shut the doors on Glen Moore! THE COMPANY I WORKED FOR NO LONGER EXISTS! Celadon forced me and every other driver (GLEN MOORE EMPLOYEEs), my load (A GLEN MOORE LOAD), my company truck (A GLEN MOORE TRUCK AND TRAILER) to Indy where they stranded me. Glen Moore would've made arrangements to get me home even I decided to quit. That's the difference between these run of the mill companies that don't give a flying flock about people!

Frankly, it puzzles me that you are trying to justify the mistreatment of drivers because of greed...just because you work for Celadon! That is why cheap freight companies have and will continue to mistreat drivers...and the industry treatment of drivers, pay, etc. went to hell...because people just shrug like it's no big deal. Steering wheel holding puppets who need to be micromanaged and don't know the difference are a dime a dozen.

[madaxeman]

As I recall, back at the "turn of the century", Celadon did not have a very good reputation. A little better than C R England, but not by much. I still haven't figured out how they wiggled out of a conspiracy charge for paying the general manager of another company to run that company into bankruptcy. The (former) general manager of that company went to prison for industrial espionage, and Celadon was actually behind it all. I never worked for them, but I was working for the company that went bankrupt because of them. They got some of the drivers, picked the rolling stock they wanted, and took over the whole customer base.

It really would not surprise me if it is later revealed that there was more than one Burlington ordeal! Sorry that you got caught up in the whole mess! Hopefully, you are a lot better off now.

I have 34-1/2 months experience, hazmat, tanker, doubles/triples, a passport, no tickets, no DUIs and no criminal record. I should be able to find something decent after the holidays. (Celadon gave me a sheet saying I only have 25 months experience for whatever reason...which is completely inaccurate!)

[madaxeman]

hey madaxeman. I dont blame you i would be pissed too. Sounds like you had a good job. Sucks a coolie bought you guys out. Just keep on looking im sure something will pop up.

Thanks, Mackman! Yes, it was a pretty good job for drivers to have. We got paid pretty well (above average) and had excellent benefits. We were treated really well not only as drivers but as people, too. Many of the drivers were there for a very long time. I feel really bad for them. It happened a week before Christmas, too. The drivers had class and were great people...as well as the rest of the employees in Carlisle and White Pine. I'll miss everyone! I hope they all find great new jobs soon.

[madaxeman]

While I can appreciate your contempt for Celadon, for the money you are out getting yourself home..........Why are you so surprised that Glen Moore was sold? YRC offered them up for sale a couple years ago, when they sold off the "Logistics" side of USF. You have not mentioned if you received a WARN letter in late October. Did you and the rest of the Glen Moore drivers receive one of those? If so....the hand writing was on the wall. 60 days after the issuance of that WARN....you were going to be out the door. YRC has been slowly sliding into the toilet for 4 years. They should finish the slide in the next year or so.

You had a choice. Drive for Celadon until you found something better.....or walk. You chose to walk. Why cry about your choice?

Perhaps you will find the money you want to make in the Chicago area. I doubt it.

I'm not trying to be ignorant towards you......But you did make a choice.

If you want to try something different, get in touch with Ergon Trucking and see if you can get hooked up with them hauling oil in Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. You would make about what you have been averaging at Glenn Moore....if not 1/2 again as much more.

Ergon Trucking, Inc. Employment

Orangetxguy,

None of us received any letters whatsoever. We found out on December 15th about 3:30PM via a Qualcomm message (wherever we happened to be with our loads). I actually just left home to go back out again on the 12th (from time off at home).

I do understand YRC is/was having financial issues. The Yellow-Roadway merger came at a bad time and the economy went down the toilet. They laid off a lot of drivers. For the sake of all of the drivers and employees that still work there, I hope they can turn it around.

Celadon is a huge downgrade that involves a lot of complications, a significant pay cut (among other things), and it's not really a "choice". It was more like a forced ultimatum. You couldn't even get a straight answer about anything from Sell-a-con when you asked specific questions. It's like o........k! All of the Glen Moore drivers I talked to either left or were searching for other work. It wasn't a feasible option for me (and most GM drivers) for many reasons.

You are right about Chicago though. I don't plan on staying in Chicago and was actually about to transfer/move when this happened. I did put aside a significant amount while working for Glen Moore. I'm not married and don't have children. I do have some time to job hunt and find something significantly better. I will check out Ergon. Thanks for the recommendation!

[madaxeman]

I don't know about Celadon and Glen Moore. I do know that when ITC was sold to M S Carriers back in '98, we got absolutely no warning until one morning in November. We got to the terminal and everybody was milling around. Even the office personal were stunned that the company was sold. No one got any advanced warning about it. And, M S Carriers was one great big step down. Not in their pay, but in the way they treated their drivers. Of the 293 drivers they put on their payroll (out of 315), only six were left after two months. There was very "underhanded" treatment of drivers and a number of flat-out lies. We did find out from one of the former ITC exec's later, that M S Carriers did not want anyone to know they were buying us out because they did not want the drivers to "jump ship".

With the "back door" means that Celadon used to put one of their competing companies out of business, I've never had any respect for them. I would not be the least bit surprised they went about it the same way M S Carriers did. Total and complete surprise. I've always ranked them somewhere along with (not so) Swift.

Windwalker,

That sums it up pretty well! If they actually told us ahead of time, Celadon would have had to pay to recover all of the trucks and loads to their seedy operations, too...instead of the underhanded way they did it for a lot less money. I parked at USF Holland's terminal which they don't own. I know numerous drivers (all over the country) who didn't live near Carlisle or White Pine, parked at 'non-Glen Moore' YRC locations (Holland, Yellow-Roadway, etc.).

[Malaki86]

I just love it how you're pissed at Celadon not telling you about the buyout and not Glen Moore. You also keep saying how great you were paid - maybe that's why they went out of business.

[Windwalker]

It really would not surprise me if it is later revealed that there was more than one Burlington ordeal! Sorry that you got caught up in the whole mess! Hopefully, you are a lot better off now.

I have 34-1/2 months experience, hazmat, tanker, doubles/triples, a passport, no tickets, no DUIs and no criminal record. I should be able to find something decent after the holidays. (Celadon gave me a sheet saying I only have 25 months experience for whatever reason...which is completely inaccurate!)

You kept your pay records from Glen Moore for tax purposes, didn't you? What period of time to they cover? If you have pay records for 34 months, you can tell Celadon to "KISS YOUR .....". Next job, take your pay records to your next employer to prove how long you were there. If Celadon insists that you only have 25 months, you may need to account for an eleven months gap in employment when talking to the new employer. But, if you can produce pay records to cover all 34 1/2 months, it shows that the information from Celadon is unreliable.

[Mackman]

You also keep saying how great you were paid - maybe that's why they went out of business.

I love people that think like that LMAO. Let me keep working for lower wages so the company can stay in business. Thats great thinking. Like the company really cares about you. Your just a run of the mill driver to them mega carriers.

Malaki its sounds like your a good driver that cares about your job. Which is hard to come by now a days. But Celadon could careless if you leave 2morrow. Or have one little mess up and they will get rid of you.