Interesed in CR England? Read this

[Fredog]

http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_R...cr-england.htm

[Joey Shabadoo]

And yet...you still see their trucks rolling up and down the highpay highway.
With that nifty coat-of-arms emblazoned on the trailer.
And the driver earning a whopping .90 CPM plus FSC.

Just goes to show the mentality of today's drivers.

[geeshock]

have a friend that I repeatedly warned aganst joining them yet he still did, some ppl have to see to beleave

[jonp]

Does anybody have a good story about CR England? I have yet to meet one that does.

[P A Frederick]

I have talked to several drivers who had general positive things to say about CRE believe it or not. Of course these guys might have been new or idiots, but they seem to have a little better image in with the drivers I've talked to than on any message board I've been to.

Saying that... I do not work for CRE, nor will I ever, just giving my input. Here are two good (though on has bad, too) stories I've heard from drivers/former drivers:

When I worked at Heartland there was another driver I used to run into a lot and became friends with that worked for CRE for a while. He was working for a smaller company that went out of business pretty much overnight. He and another driver who were good friends decided they would sign on with CRE and run team to make some money (they had bounced a couple checks too apparently). He said they were doing great, back and forth and back and forth across the country. CRE really kept them moving and they made some pretty good money. BAD SIDE: when they quit they had worked for CRE 3 1/2 months. Since they had left the house for orientation, they hadn't been back home yet. They both lived in NC east of I 95, a bad freight area, but come on! Overall he said he didn't mind them except the no hometime thing. They had only planned teaming for a couple months anyway so it worked out as they did make some money.

Story two: Talked to a guy at Sorrento Cheese in Buffalo a couple weeks ago. He ran dedicated for England out of there and had for a while. He liked his job, but it was dedicated so I'm sure it wasn't too bad.

Overall, though, I haven't heard but maybe 3-4 good stories about CRE on any message board. And usually someone posts them and them 3-4 months later (after being CRE's biggest supporter), they disappear. Who knows what happens to them.

[jonp]

Thats interesting as I'm rolling towards 20 yrs in the seat and I havn't heard one good thing yet. they are still in business so someone must have some kind of good luck with them.

[scythe08]

Quote from the link:
One of the big issues facing Judge David Nuffer was exactly how much that rate of interest should be. OOIDA suggested that Utah’s statutory legal interest rate of 10 percent be used. C.R. England argued that the 91-day Treasury bill rate should apply.

The magistrate judge used neither in his final decision. Judge Nuffer cited a paragraph included in a number of the motor carrier’s own leases, which uses an 18 percent annual “finance charge” on balances overdue in the event that either party to the lease (the driver and C.R. England) defaulted on any amount due. In other words – what was good for the goose is good for the gander.

C.R. England argued that this whopping rate of interest was too much. Judge Nuffer wrote that “the Defendant should not be permitted to argue that its own form contract is unreasonable when that rate is applied to the Defendant.”

But C.R. England took its fervent appeal back to Judge Stewart. On Dec. 16, 2009, Judge Stewart backed up Judge Nuffer, ruling that the 18 percent would stand.

End quote.

I applauded at this. They argue that their own interest is too much, how arrogant can you be?! I drive by their training trucks all day,every day so they are still churning out drivers, but I will always remember when I worked at the refinery to the east of their Lot. I work see drivers walking down the frontage road crying, trying to carry all of their belongings to get to a bus stop to take them to the airport of a greyhound station. I know most training companies have a special place in hell, but I really hope They get a taste of what they've been doing to people all these years.

[jonp]

Quote from the link:
One of the big issues facing Judge David Nuffer was exactly how much that rate of interest should be. OOIDA suggested that Utah’s statutory legal interest rate of 10 percent be used. C.R. England argued that the 91-day Treasury bill rate should apply.

The magistrate judge used neither in his final decision. Judge Nuffer cited a paragraph included in a number of the motor carrier’s own leases, which uses an 18 percent annual “finance charge” on balances overdue in the event that either party to the lease (the driver and C.R. England) defaulted on any amount due. In other words – what was good for the goose is good for the gander.

C.R. England argued that this whopping rate of interest was too much. Judge Nuffer wrote that “the Defendant should not be permitted to argue that its own form contract is unreasonable when that rate is applied to the Defendant.”

But C.R. England took its fervent appeal back to Judge Stewart. On Dec. 16, 2009, Judge Stewart backed up Judge Nuffer, ruling that the 18 percent would stand.

End quote.

I applauded at this. They argue that their own interest is too much, how arrogant can you be?! I drive by their training trucks all day,every day so they are still churning out drivers, but I will always remember when I worked at the refinery to the east of their Lot. I work see drivers walking down the frontage road crying, trying to carry all of their belongings to get to a bus stop to take them to the airport of a greyhound station. I know most training companies have a special place in hell, but I really hope They get a taste of what they've been doing to people all these years.

I got a kick out of CR claiming the rate they were charging the drivers was too high for them to pay themselves. Kinda like Barney Frank forcing the banks to make loans to people that couldnt pay them back then screaming at the banks for needing bailouts and saying he knew how to fix them. People in power never seem to get it.

[geeshock]

there was a guy working for cr england for a year and he was still at 26 or 27 cpm, now in the begining I know companies have you at those rates, I don't agree with them but it's acepted they do that to offset the risk they take in haveing a new driver. after 3 to 6 most if you aren't at 30 cpm or better that company or you are foobared. or both

[homer]

many would benefit by reading the article in the new landline on page 76-77 entitled "want to avoid getting burned by a lease purchase? it has two pages of ways they screw you. i dont know how to post it tho

[Fredog]

many would benefit by reading the article in the new landline on page 76-77 entitled "want to avoid getting burned by a lease purchase? it has two pages of ways they screw you. i dont know how to post it tho

I posted it somewhere, but forgot where, so here it is again
http://www.landlinemag.com/Archives/...t-to-avoid.htm

[freebirdrfd]

many would benefit by reading the article in the new landline on page 76-77 entitled "want to avoid getting burned by a lease purchase? it has two pages of ways they screw you. i dont know how to post it tho

They can only get away with it because so many truck drivers are stupid... A smart person wouldn't go near something like that.

[jonp]

Thats a great article. The bottom line for me is that you are at the mercy of the company at all times. Do you really want to take all of the risk and depend on someone else for loads like that? You pay for everything and the company gets the benefits.

[cdswans]

They can only get away with it because so many truck drivers are stupid...

Truer words have never been spoken.

. . A smart person wouldn't go near something like that.

I have to disagree with this part. I have met a few guys who are making money because they were smart enough to know what they were getting into. You have to team or train in order to make it work. Beyond that, if you can keep the truck upright, keep an ironclad set of books and maintain a continuous dialogue with a bank, it can be a four year path to much bigger and better things.

A fleece has to favor the company because so many fleecelets fail. They fail for all the same reasons most company drivers fail. This job isn't for everyone. An unhappy company driver is going to walk away and do something else. An unhappy fleecelet is going to walk away in financial ruin.

I applaud the judge for taking England's own greed and throwing it back in their face. You're right, England, it is too much.

[AC120]

many would benefit by reading the article in the new landline on page 76-77 entitled "want to avoid getting burned by a lease purchase? it has two pages of ways they screw you. i dont know how to post it tho

click here to read the article

Happy New Year

[AC120]

They can only get away with it because so many truck drivers are stupid... A smart person wouldn't go near something like that.

I disagree. It's not that drivers (we're mostly talking about new drivers here) are stupid. It's that they are naive. Looking at CRE's current pro-forma, you and I know that no one is going to get 3,250 paid miles a week, run those miles 52 weeks in a row to get to 169,000 paid solo miles, and do it for each year of the lease; is it three years? A few years ago CRE was promoting their leases with 186,000 paid solo miles a year; I've got a copy of one of their old ads. CRE argued that 186,000 solo miles was legal and possible. A hopeful newbie might believe that. Experienced drivers know better and they know that if you don't get the miles CRE projects, you won't make what CRE claims you'll make (not that there aren't lots of other problems with CRE's projected income for lease operators).

CRE charges--what?--14 cents per mile. But they don't tell newbies that CRE pays HHG, so a lot of the miles that you pay CRE 14 cents for aren't miles that CRE pays you for. That's another hole in projected income. But newbies don't know about that.

I started driving in 1991. In all my time out here I have never--not once--heard anything good about CRE. I'm not wagging a finger at CRE, I never drove for CRE, I don't care one way or the other about CRE. I simply have not heard one good thing about them. Talking to CRE lease operators, reading CRE's ads, crunching CRE's pro-forma numbers, and following CRE's court cases, I can understand why.