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Thread: Well, I'll try this again. Another JB Hunt letter.

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    :sad: Well, some people will NEVER get it.
    Here is my offer to some of you, "Company Men".
    I need somebody to mow my lawn.
    I'll pay you for the square feet of lawn that you mow, and for starters, I will cheat you out of about 8-10%.
    You will have to use my old raggedy mower, and you will have to go and get fuel for it, but I can't pay you for that, because you DON'T PRODUCE.
    Also, the blades need to be sharpened, which I expect YOU to do, but I can't pay you for it, because you DON'T PRODUCE.
    The mower needs to be cleaned, but I can't pay you for that, because you DON'T PRODUCE.
    The grass needs to be raked, and why should I pay you for that, as it has been already cut?
    I contracted with all my neighbors to do their yards , so you will do those
    too, but you will have to wait at their door steps, while they get ready, but of course I can't pay you for that, because you....

    Any takers?
    When I get old, I move north and drive slow in the fast lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColdFrostyMug
    Quote Originally Posted by SwervynMervyn
    Maybe you will do some things that appear they are for free, but if you get your miles, the pay is a decent living.
    You just don't get it.

    Let's say Driver A works for Schneider earning .37 cpm off HHG mileage. He averages 2700 paid miles per week (he must actually drive 2970 due to HHG 10% screwing). His paychecks average about $1,000 on the gross.

    Driver B on the other hand works for that rare carrier which values his services and his time. He only gets .33 cpm, averages 2300 miles per week but his company pays him for all of his labor/time:

    $5.00 to pre-trip
    $5.00 to fuel
    $5.00 to scale
    $5.00 to sweep a trailer
    Paid for ALL dock time at $15.00/hour
    Paid for all mileage off the hub
    Paid $10.00 for every drop-hook
    Any delays/waiting/traffic/etc = $15.00/hour
    Paid $8.00/hour for 10-hour DOT sleeper berth time.

    Driver B's gross mileage pay = $759.00.
    7 pre-trips per week = $35.00
    3 fuel stops = $15.00
    2 scales = $10.00
    1 trailer sweep = $5.00
    4 drop/hooks = $40.00
    1 hours stuck in traffic = $15.00
    2 hours waiting on a load because of slow freight = $30.00
    7 ten-hour DOT breaks = $560
    5 hours of dock-time = $75.00

    Driver A grossed $1100 that week while Driver B grossed $1544 running 670 LESS miles than Driver A.

    Driver B has no need to fudge his logbook because doing so would screw him out of alot of good accessory pay. Driver A must "work" the book because he needs to keep off lines 3 & 4 as much as possible in order to run more miles.

    Driver A's company = Schneider, JB Hunt, Swift, Heartland, US Xpress, Werner, TMC, Maverick and so many other *****-bag outfits that screw their drivers out of time/labor.
    You forgot to add a few things:
    Driver A spent 20 years at large profitable company and put money out of every paycheck in company stock. Retires with a few million.
    Driver B- Has 12 grand saved for his retirement.

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    Sheepdancer the driver that will actually put up with all the crap that JB Hunt and the other MEGA CARRIERS do to us for 20+ years is RARE. Lets see here 20 years driving for a company that treats us like crap a number fights us for any and all reimbursments makes us sit for hours for free at shippers hell no. Before you jump all over me for just being someone that hates you I drove for larger companies and Hated every single second of it when the company is so cheap that they take 350 hp Cat 3176 engines and proceed to cut them down to 310 to save even more fuel sorry no happy drivers.

    Before driving I remember working on some of your companies trucks at a International dealership when JB was still in the Training School Busniess here is what we carried in stock at all times just for your company for parts. We had 6 transmissions 4 back rear ends 3 front ones 3 power divders 4 thru shafts 12 clutches 6 flywheels 4 complete sets of driveshafts 3 axles shafts and 1 long block. This was we had in the parts room labled for the JB Training slash Overtime Academy.

    Sorry I would rather be a name than a number to both the owner and my fleet manager and the last company I drove for while not perfect was the closest I came to while I was out there when the owner of the COMPANY has a Qualcom prompt where you can send him a message and he answers you within 10 mins regardless of what the question is that says he cares. They had someone that his sole job was to go between the drivers and the owner bypass all the other managers and help the drivers and make sure you were happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColdFrostyMug
    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepdancer
    know where you are coming from....why would anyone want to do things like that for free? Just the other day I was complaining to a co-worker that I dont get extra pay when I take the stairs instead of the elevator. And get this...we had an important customer coming up here to tour corporate a few days ago...and I actually had to pick up a peice of paper off the ground and throw it away! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? NO SORT OF "PICKING UP A PIECE OF PAPER PAY AT ALL"!!!! I tell you....we need a recruiters union.
    And I bet at night, you rolled out a sleeping bag and took your mandated 10-hour DOT break under your desk? No shower so you had to use moist towelletes to substitute for bathing. To save money, the company turned off the A/C which meant you had to lay there in a pool of sweat trying to catch some shuteye. Then you had to call your wife on the phone to tell her you missed her.
    ROFLMAO!

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    Continental, I'll cut your grass.

    First of all, since it is YOUr mower, YOU will do ALL the maintenance and repairs needed on it.

    And as I wait for you and all your genius neighbors to figure out what is wrong with the mower and which side of the blade is up, I'll go take a nice hot shower in your house. After all, you have to provide mower operators somes services at your "terminal".

    Then when the master mechanic's wives come over to see what is taking all day for their husband's to come home, I think I'll have a nice cold lemonade on your couch and maybe a foot massage ( you do provide benefits don't you?)

    By the time you get the mower fixed it will be too dark to start, don't want to run over the wive's pretty flowers she planted.

    So I call the taxi to take me to a nice motel for the night and expect the reimbursement on my next check.

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    Sheepdancer the driver that will actually put up with all the crap that JB Hunt and the other MEGA CARRIERS do to us for 20+ years is RARE. Lets see here 20 years driving for a company that treats us like crap a number fights us for any and all reimbursments makes us sit for hours for free at shippers hell no. Before you jump all over me for just being someone that hates you I drove for larger companies and Hated every single second of it when the company is so cheap that they take 350 hp Cat 3176 engines and proceed to cut them down to 310 to save even more fuel sorry no happy drivers.
    Finding someone who would stay in any job in any industry for 20 years would be RARE. That doesnt make it the wrong thing to do.
    No one ever forces you to stay in a job that you hate. You are always free to change jobs all you want. ( In fact if it wasnt for people changing jobs so much, I wouldnt have this great job...so I thank you) However, changing jobs over and over and then after 20 years finding that perfect driving job might seem like a great thing....until you retire with 12 bucks in a 401K.
    To me personally...the number 1 reason I look for and accept any job is the benefits. The number 1 reason I work hard is so I will have a HUGE retirement. I can put up with any amount of crap as long as Im watching my investments grow big time. Im 42 years old now...I plan on retiring at about 54. And I plan on retiring quite well off.....Did I put up with a lot of crap for 20+ years? Of course....boo fricken hoo .....Once in retirment, the wind in my face while driving my new convertable Porsche will dry my tears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwervynMervyn
    Continental, I'll cut your grass.

    First of all, since it is YOUr mower, YOU will do ALL the maintenance and repairs needed on it.

    And as I wait for you and all your genius neighbors to figure out what is wrong with the mower and which side of the blade is up, I'll go take a nice hot shower in your house. After all, you have to provide mower operators somes services at your "terminal".

    Then when the master mechanic's wives come over to see what is taking all day for their husband's to come home, I think I'll have a nice cold lemonade on your couch and maybe a foot massage ( you do provide benefits don't you?)

    By the time you get the mower fixed it will be too dark to start, don't want to run over the wive's pretty flowers she planted.

    So I call the taxi to take me to a nice motel for the night and expect the reimbursement on my next check.
    Wait...I might want the job too. How big is the yard and will you pay square footage by Practical Square Footage or Household Mowers Guide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepdancer
    You forgot to add a few things:
    Driver A spent 20 years at large profitable company and put money out of every paycheck in company stock. Retires with a few million.
    Driver B- Has 12 grand saved for his retirement.
    More nonsense.

    Driver B makes MORE money running LESS miles because he doesn't work for free like Driver A. So he has more $$$ to put aside into his company's 401K plan plus his own Roth IRA. Who do you think will have the bigger nest egg?

    Sure, JB Hunt is a "large profitable company". They got that way off the backs of their drivers.

    Answer the question, Sheepdancer: Was this not the same company that rolled back driver pay in 2001?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwervynMervyn
    Continental, I'll cut your grass.

    First of all, since it is YOUr mower, YOU will do ALL the maintenance and repairs needed on it.

    And as I wait for you and all your genius neighbors to figure out what is wrong with the mower and which side of the blade is up, I'll go take a nice hot shower in your house. After all, you have to provide mower operators somes services at your "terminal".

    Then when the master mechanic's wives come over to see what is taking all day for their husband's to come home, I think I'll have a nice cold lemonade on your couch and maybe a foot massage ( you do provide benefits don't you?)

    By the time you get the mower fixed it will be too dark to start, don't want to run over the wive's pretty flowers she planted.

    So I call the taxi to take me to a nice motel for the night and expect the reimbursement on my next check.
    Now your talking out of the other side of your mouth.
    Will you make up your mind?
    When I get old, I move north and drive slow in the fast lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepdancer
    Quote Originally Posted by SwervynMervyn
    Continental, I'll cut your grass.

    First of all, since it is YOUr mower, YOU will do ALL the maintenance and repairs needed on it.

    And as I wait for you and all your genius neighbors to figure out what is wrong with the mower and which side of the blade is up, I'll go take a nice hot shower in your house. After all, you have to provide mower operators somes services at your "terminal".

    Then when the master mechanic's wives come over to see what is taking all day for their husband's to come home, I think I'll have a nice cold lemonade on your couch and maybe a foot massage ( you do provide benefits don't you?)

    By the time you get the mower fixed it will be too dark to start, don't want to run over the wive's pretty flowers she planted.

    So I call the taxi to take me to a nice motel for the night and expect the reimbursement on my next check.
    Wait...I might want the job too. How big is the yard and will you pay square footage by Practical Square Footage or Household Mowers Guide?
    Neither. I pay post office to post office.
    When I get old, I move north and drive slow in the fast lane.

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    There is soo many babies! Get over it! Different strokes for different folks. Jeeez, give it a rest!

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