Obama care

[Blacksheep]

Government run health care, yea or nay.

[Windwalker]

Now, do you mean "Government Run", or "Government Subsidized"?

Either way, it would cut into the revenues for the insurance companies, and I don't see that happening very soon. It will take a voter revolt to get that through. As long as they don't get it done, it's something they can campaign on. Pass it, and they lose that soap-box.

[Blacksheep]

cap & trade got through the house, it's a real possibility that they're going to try and ram this past us too.

With that idiot Al Frankin getting in they now have a super majority, in other words fillabuster proof, be very afraid.

[mommee]

i have another question about 'national healthcare', will it cut into the salaries of doctors? they make a lot of money and drive around in expensive cars. what happens to their paycheck?

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by mommee

i have another question about 'national healthcare', will it cut into the salaries of doctors?

It likely will eventually, thereby discouraging doctors from practicing here. There's a reason the US is attractive to the medical profession. You don't see countries with nationalized health care leading the way in cutting edge technology. When is the last time Canada produced some breakthrough in health care?

[LightsChromeHorsepower]

Singe Payer is "Off the table" to quote Obama.

Two articles worth perusing;


Experts Agree on First Set of International Health Care Quality Indicators; U.S. Spends Most, But Quality Could Improve - The Commonwealth Fund

Look at how much more we spend than the other nations in the survey

Annals of Medicine: The Cost Conundrum: Reporting & Essays: The New Yorker

This one sort of makes me wonder to what degree greedy doctors contribute to the problem.

[Blacksheep]

Originally Posted by mommee

i have another question about 'national healthcare', will it cut into the salaries of doctors? they make a lot of money and drive around in expensive cars. what happens to their paycheck?

What is your point ? run them all out of the country ?, class warfare is stupid.

[mommee]

my point was that i'm not sure that the doctors will be for it and give up their nice pay check. if this goes through, their pay is cut and they will have to take what the government wants to pay them. even the ones that love obama, i am pretty sure don't want a cut in pay for their services.

[dobry4u]

Originally Posted by mommee

my point was that i'm not sure that the doctors will be for it and give up their nice pay check. if this goes through, their pay is cut and they will have to take what the government wants to pay them. even the ones that love obama, i am pretty sure don't want a cut in pay for their services.

How would they be able to pay off those huge student loans!!!!

[BlooMoose]

If you think health care is expensive now...wait until it's free....!!!

[skinnytrucker]

With 45,000,000 Americans who cannot afford healthcare how can you not be for some sort of national healthcare. I know that everyone is out for themselves nowadays but years ago we used to look out for our neighbors as well as our own. Think about this, how many of these companies are offsetting there costs by forcing drivers to pay well over $100.00 a week for family health ins. Trucking used to be a good middle class job where a man could make enough money to feed his family and afford ins. for his family and even have a couple of bucks left over at the end of the week to put into the bank.

[Windwalker]

Originally Posted by skinnytrucker

With 45,000,000 Americans who cannot afford healthcare how can you not be for some sort of national healthcare. I know that everyone is out for themselves nowadays but years ago we used to look out for our neighbors as well as our own. Think about this, how many of these companies are offsetting there costs by forcing drivers to pay well over $100.00 a week for family health ins. Trucking used to be a good middle class job where a man could make enough money to feed his family and afford ins. for his family and even have a couple of bucks left over at the end of the week to put into the bank.

There used to be a lot of jobs like that. At one time, there were also "COST OF LIVING RAISES". I can't honestly say I know anyone that's seen one of them in the last 10 to 12 years. Jobs that did once pay family expenses don't do so any longer. Why do you suppose we're looking at a "third round of foreclosures"?

And, as to the nice fat fees the doctors charge... I have a cousin that is a doctor. Never been sued, and ho hint of that ever happening. Yes, he is a very good doctor and does know his stuff. Spends a lot of time reading and keeping up with new developements. About 8 years ago, he was paying $1.25 million a year for mal-practice insurance. They may be driving around in nice fancy cars, but they also do have some pretty high costs as well. So, it comes right back to insurance companies, and the courts and lawyers.

New Zealand is a country with socialized medicine. But, you can also get an inexpensive "supplimental" insurance and I understand it gives you slightly better care. Still costs you less than we're paying.

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by skinnytrucker

With 45,000,000 Americans who cannot afford healthcare how can you not be for some sort of national healthcare.

Figure out a way to pay for it, and I'll be all for it. Until then, it's just a pipe dream, and a campaign platform that will get beaten to death just like the Social Security "lockbox" did back in 2000.

[Windwalker]

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago

Figure out a way to pay for it, and I'll be all for it. Until then, it's just a pipe dream, and a campaign platform that will get beaten to death just like the Social Security "lockbox" did back in 2000.

They needed some "REALISTIC PROPOSALS" for that one. Of course, the same goes for health care. The more rediculous the proposals, the more OUT OF TOUCH they are with the American People.

[Blacksheep]

Originally Posted by dobry4u

How would they be able to pay off those huge student loans!!!!

Not to mention the mal-practice premiums, tort reform already get these s>bag ambulance chasing lawyers with frivilous lawsuits under control.

[Colin]

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago

It likely will eventually, thereby discouraging doctors from practicing here. There's a reason the US is attractive to the medical profession. You don't see countries with nationalized health care leading the way in cutting edge technology. When is the last time Canada produced some breakthrough in health care?

LHSC became the first hospital in North America to use a robotic-arm neuron-angiogram machine in an operating room.

LHSC is the first in North America to implant an insertable cardiac monitor that offers long-term and continuous monitoring for atrial fibrillation, the most common cardiac arrhythmia.

LHSC performs the world’s first robotically-assisted intestinal bypass surgery for a patient with superior mesenteric artery (SMA) syndrome, also known as Wilkie’s syndrome, using the da Vinci® robot.

World’s first robotic-assisted left atrial appendage ligation to reduce the chance of clot formation and stroke in high risk patients with atrial fibrillation is performed at LHSC.

LHSC’s Pulmonary surgery team performed the world’s first robotic-assisted lung volume reduction using Computer Motion’s AESOP® robotic arm.

Medical Breakthroughs

[scrapmetal]

Screw those socialist commie bastards.My great grandpa came over here for a better life not to have the same gov he escaped from

[Videodrome]

I could maybe see some kind of program that is more local. Maybe at the state level. We have states running Unemployment Insurance already so maybe some states could try their own single payer State program.


I will never support a national program though. I feel that anything the Federal Government touches only seems to become a bloated bureacracy that only creates more wasteful spending. Also many people cringe and the idea of Central Planning and I feel the same way about that to. What appeals to me about all the states trying it on their own is leading to a variety ideas being tried instead of one guy surrounded by his yes-men in D.C.

[repete]

Originally Posted by Colin

LHSC became the first hospital in North America to use a robotic-arm neuron-angiogram machine in an operating room.

LHSC is the first in North America to implant an insertable cardiac monitor that offers long-term and continuous monitoring for atrial fibrillation, the most common cardiac arrhythmia.

LHSC performs the world’s first robotically-assisted intestinal bypass surgery for a patient with superior mesenteric artery (SMA) syndrome, also known as Wilkie’s syndrome, using the da Vinci® robot.

World’s first robotic-assisted left atrial appendage ligation to reduce the chance of clot formation and stroke in high risk patients with atrial fibrillation is performed at LHSC.

LHSC’s Pulmonary surgery team performed the world’s first robotic-assisted lung volume reduction using Computer Motion’s AESOP® robotic arm.

Medical Breakthroughs

Yeah but when did they come up with something REALLY important?

[repete]

A big NAY!!! Any time the feds get in something the cost doubles or triples, free my azz! Just where do you think the money is coming from? Have you ever gone to a VA clinic? If so you know what kind of care were in for.

If your against government health care you need to call/write and visit your rep's ASAP and tell them NO!