I've got a question

[yoopr]

Busch race in Montreal-Some people you just would love to get flattened.
Talking about punk R. Gordon.
He was told by Race Officials, after an accident he was in, to go back to 13th place. Gordon, who was having a feud with the race leader at the time, Didn't and stayed in 2nd position and THEN the Punk wrecked the race leader "INTENTIONALLY"

Busch series is NASCAR-Now the question-Can NASCAR Ban the punk for the rest of the year? My guess is yes.

Now Gordon says he WON the Race
Guy needs a BIG attitude adjustment

[Mr. Ford95]

Agreed, would not be surprised to see him parked for tomorrow's Cup race. Ambrose had every right to go and whup him for that BS, but he took the high road and simply shrugged his shoulders on it.

Robby does not know the rules, even under a caution your car must maintain a decent speed. Being stopped on the track is not decent enough speed. This same thing happened at Nashville a few years ago in a Busch race. The front 4 all wrecked coming off of Turn 2 and Mikey Waltrip drove right around everyone and was declared the winner since the front 4 all came to a stop and then had to get going again after 10 cars had already passed them.

NASCAR should not have restarted the race, they should have red flagged it and stopped Robby from being allowed back on track. If he still would not heed it, the race should have been declared over right there. He ruined one driver's great race and could have ruined all of the top 5 had they been caught up in Gordon spinning Ambrose out.

[yoopr]

Even though NASCAR Really ticks me off at times with their stuff you can't just give them the one finger salute which is exactly what he did.
He's a spoiled little rich kid who thinks he can drive.
I hope they can his butt for the rest of the Year.
This is gonna be interesting and good and I can't wait for NASCAR's response.

I see your "Buddy" Pruett pulled the same thing as he did with Montoya-Cuts in front of a guy and causes a big pile up.
Hey-speaking of Montoya-Where was he?

[Mr. Ford95]

Busch shop is closing it's doors at Ganassi. Next week at Watkins Glen will be that particular teams final race. Guess they feel that Montoya has learned all he can in the Busch Series as they are visiting most of the same tracks a 2nd time now.

NASCAR was right, Robby was wrong, I know the caution rules and I don't even race in NASCAR. Seems that he also tinks it's perfectly legal to cause a caution, whether wrecking someone on purpose(All-Star in 2002 I believe) or throwing trash out on the track to cause one(Atlanta last year.)

[Mr. Ford95]

And it's unofficial Robby Gordon has been suspended from today's race in Pocono a NASCAR spokesman has been quoted.

[yoopr]

And it's unofficial Robby Gordon has been suspended from today's race in Pocono a NASCAR spokesman has been quoted.

Yeah-He was suspended from the race but his Car isn't and I think that's wrong-He benefits with his car in the Race

[Mr. Ford95]

Only in owner points does it hurt and owner points are what counts. They are what NASCAR uses to lock-in the Top 35, not the driver's points.

NASCAR did the same with Harvick when he was benched at Martinsville in 2002. The #29 car had a fill-in driver and Harvick swears to this day that he has learnt his lesson from that. Robby won't, he thinks he is the best driver out there everyday and that he is above any rules.

[Crash935]

I'm not even going to get started on this one, think both Robby and Nascar are totaly wrong on how the whole thing was/is being handled.

[yoopr]

I'm not even going to get started on this one, think both Robby and Nascar are totaly wrong on how the whole thing was/is being handled.

It totally blew me away but not really because it was Gordon.
There are drivers that I really don't care for but Gordon is the Smuggest-Most conceited driver there is and the thing is he has nothing to back that up with.

I HOPE NASCAR Nails him good-I think this is going to be much more than a One Race suspension. I HOPE!!

NASCAR parks R. Gordon for Cup race at Pocono
By Dave Rodman, NASCAR.COM
August 5, 2007
01:44 PM EDT

type size: + -LONG POND, Pa. -- NASCAR benched owner/driver Robby Gordon Sunday morning at Pocono Raceway, prohibiting him from competing in the Nextel Cup Series' Pennsylvania 500.

NASCAR took the action after Gordon flaunted several NASCAR rules and directives from officials in Saturday afternoon's Busch Series race at Circuit Gilles Villeneuve in Montreal. (Video: Gordon, Pemberton react)

Gordon's No. 7 Ford, which he qualified in 30th position, will be driven in the race by P.J. Jones. Jones is a close friend of Gordon's and a multi-talented racer who practiced Gordon's car on Saturday while the owner was in Montreal.


Left speechless
The late-race problems at Montreal left both Robby Gordon and Marcos Ambrose without words after the race.

Complete story, click here
Jones will drop to the rear of the 43-car field at the start due to the driver change.

Gordon came into the weekend 27th in both the Nextel Cup driver and owner standings. The Montreal event was his fifth Busch Series start of the year in his Robby Gordon Motorsports cars.

"I want to start by expressing my regrets to the sponsors, fans, and all competitors for any part I played in the miscommunication, confusion and uncertainty surrounding the finish in this weekend's Busch race in Montreal," Gordon said in a statement posted on his Web site.

"It was not my purpose to disrespect the authority of NASCAR or the officials. I do respect their authority to run the race and make the calls, and I understand the significance of the black flag. I strongly disagree with the calls that affected me at the end of the race. Being spun under the yellow and not being allowed to resume my position prior to the spin put me in a position to react as I did. Nonetheless, I accept NASCAR's decision and I intend to move forward under the rules."

NASCAR last sat a Cup driver in April 2002 at Martinsville Speedway when Kevin Harvick was held out of the Cup race after he was involved in a flagrant rough driving incident in that Saturday's Craftsman Truck Series race, followed by a confrontation with NASCAR officials.

Jones last made a Nextel Cup start at Infineon Raceway in June, where he started 43rd in Michael Waltrip Racing's No. 00 Toyota and finished 12th, the car's best finish this season.

Jones has 23 career starts, with one top-five finish.

On Saturday, Ramsey Poston, NASCAR managing director, corporate communications, outlined the chain of events that led to Gordon's penalty.

"Once the caution came out on Lap 72 the field was frozen. Once the field is frozen, all cars must maintain cautious pace in order to be scored.

"At the time that the field was frozen, the 59 [Marcos Ambrose] was in the lead. [Robby Gordon] did not maintain cautious pace and by NASCAR rule, cars not maintaining cautious pace are scored only when they blend back into the continuous line. [Gordon], based on our scoring, was ordered to blend back in behind [Ron Fellows] in front of [Mike Wallace].

"The tower ordered [Gordon] multiple times to get into position. The directive was acknowledged by [Gordon's] crew chief and the crew chief also communicated the order to [Gordon]. The driver ignored NASCAR's directive.

"He was warned that he would be black-flagged if he did not comply. Once [Gordon] crossed the start/finish line he was posted per the NASCAR rule book and at that time the directive to display the black flag was given.

"After contact with [Ambrose] on Lap 73, NASCAR took emergency action per the rule book Section12-2, thus parking [Gordon], which was also ignored. The black flag with the white cross was displayed to [Gordon] when [he] crossed the start/finish line on Lap 74. [Gordon] finished the race in the 18th position."

After the event Gordon protested the calls vigorously and proclaimed he had won the race. He met with NASCAR president Mike Helton for more than an hour after the race.

A NASCAR spokesperson said further sanctions against Gordon would be considered at the sanctioning body's early-week competition meeting.

[yoopr]

Ambrose is a real class act
Bad thing is that it was NASCAR's venture into Montreal for the first time with a great crowd-perfect weather and Gordon spoiled it for everybody.

Everybody in Montreal and anybody watching the race on TV KNEW Gordon was going to slam him.

There's GOT to be a major penalty in the Books about intentional ramming somebody

[Mr. Ford95]

Nope Yoop, the penalty was for NASCAR to officially park him during the final 3 laps. Once he took Ambrose out, they made the call to Gordon's crew chief to inform them they were DQ'ed. Earnhardt and others were known for doing the same stuff and letting their team know they were going to do it beforehand. NASCAR will not make his punishment more severe for intentionally wrecking another driver. They will make it more severe, if they choose, for him ignoring their orders. NASCAR was in the right except for the fact of not stopping the race to remove Gordon from the track. They followed the rules and precedents they have already set(see the Nashville race,) no matter how much Robby Gordon wants to squeal like a pig in the other direction. If he don't like the rules, then stick to Baja where you can pull whatever you want on your other competitor's out in the desert.

I think the race was great and the fans sure ate it up. The only thing missing was a slugfest in the infield. To me the track is a tad too long for stock cars. 2.77 miles means you have some real long caution periods when you go full course yellow.

[yoopr]

The only thing missing was a slugfest in the infield.

Used to have A LOT of that up here at our track

You're missing something though-Gordon was TOLD to go back to the 13th or whatever position and when he didn't he was given the Black Flag and told to park and THEN he slammed him.
There wasn't Any precedent for that-Not Junior or anybody

You're gonna be mighty surprised when NASCAR hands out his penalty-I predict they're going to rip him a new one-It's usually Wed. isn't it

[Mr. Ford95]

I believe it was Ramsey Poston that was quoted, he is the NASCAR spokesman. He said that NASCAR parked him only after he wrecked Ambrose, that they gave him the black flag for not restarting in the proper position. Once he dumped Ambrose, they gave him the black flag with the white line diagonally across it which signifies that he is no longer being scored and informed his crew that he was "parked." Poston said that every NASCAR message/directive WAS delivered to Robby, he simply chose to ignore those.

The possible further penalty either comes out today or tomorrow at the latest. It will hinge on how he left the meeting with NASCAR officials after the Busch race. If they feel their message was delivered and he understands then a monetary fine, if they feel it still has not gotten thru, it will be bigger. Harvick is the closest to the same thing. He was parked at the Martinsville truck race in 2002 for rough driving after he blantantly tried to wreck Coy Gibbs several times. He tried to show NASCAR up the same way Robby did. He pulled his truck nose to the trailer like he was some punk, bad@ss, revving the engine and went into the trailer yapping. He came out with his tail between his legs. The message was delivered and he saw no further suspension.

[yoopr]

The Idiot DOESN'T understand it because the idiot still says he won the Race.

My prediction, for what that's worth, is at the minimum a One Race suspension(Not including Pocono) and preferably the Rest of the Season , Plus a monstrous fine and mui mucho points.

Robbie Gordon Thinks he's bigger than NASCAR and NASCAR has GOT to nail him.
This is bigger than equipment "Modifications" or anything else.
Hope I'm right on this-he's pretty contemptable.

[Mr. Ford95]

I hate Robby as much as you do yoop. Just playing devil's advocate on the possible penalty and how NASCAR is going to go about reviewing it. Does it really do any good to suspend the driver in this case?? Being a single car team and the driver being the owner, the most possible hurt is the loss of owner points and a large fine BUT, do you take points from his Busch total or his Cup total or both?? Robby said it himself after being fined for illegal equipment and stuff the past 2 years, the fines hurt way worse because they are already working on a limited budget.

Robby and his fans still do not agree with the caution crap that went on. Here is a better example, the yellow flag flies and you slow down and maintain your position and speed. Suddenly your car shuts off and comes to a stop. 5 cars pass you while your sitting there trying to re-fire it. You are not maintaining your speed or position anymore, therefore you will restart in whatever position you were in when you got back up to speed. Say that is 15th but you were in 10th before the engine problem. Under the NASCAR rule book, you will restart 15th and that rule has not changed since it was written into the rule book.

[yoopr]

I just got back from town and was listening to the Sirius Godfather and a caller talked of banning him from Busch for a year.
Like the Godfather and the rest of the crew they said Big Deal-He doesn't even race much in the Busch circuit anyway-I agree.

[Mr. Ford95]

Which is quite the problem NASCAR has, penalize him in the Cup Series and the fans might have a cow over it since it happened in the Busch Series. But he doesn't race enough in the Busch Series to be worthwhile of a punishment, this was his 5th race this year. I hear Mike Helton and Brian France are still seething, so Robby better duck because he may have the book thrown at him. Bill Jr. always made it well known that no one driver or person was bigger than the show like Robby acted. He always acted swiftly and made sure the offending person was set straight.

[yoopr]

I hear Mike Helton and Brian France are still seething, so Robby better duck because he may have the book thrown at him.

I'm tellin ya-Throw the one finger salute at NASCAR when you're a driver hang on for a bumpy ride.

Trouble is look at the video replays at the time of the incednet he was running second THEN HE WAS SPUN OUT AFTER THE FIELD WAS FROZEN IN PLACE. The next lap told retake second place then the next lap told take 13th I agree with Robby Gordon on this one HE GOT SCREWED HERE. Nascar just opened a can of worms whats to say now during the chase Jeff Gordon does not dump Hamlin during a caution if he is ahead of Gordon to prevent Gordon from winning the Championship see the Pandora's Box that was opened there. Plus Robby had 3 laps to respond to the black flag and NASCAR themselves only gave Robby 1 lap before pulling his scoring they broke their own rules this is going to be interesting.

[Mr. Ford95]

Trouble is look at the video replays at the time of the incednet he was running second THEN HE WAS SPUN OUT AFTER THE FIELD WAS FROZEN IN PLACE. The next lap told retake second place then the next lap told take 13th I agree with Robby Gordon on this one HE GOT SCREWED HERE.

Sorry, that ain't the rules. Whether it was still green or already under yellow, you must maintain a reasonable speed once the yellow is out. He did not maintain, look at the replay again, he was sitting there not moving as 12 cars drove by. They are not supposed to stop and wait for him to get going again, how do they know he hasn't broken a tranny or something?? Maybe the rule needs some tweaking but that is how the rule currently is and NASCAR stuck to their guns on it. They simply had to review video to see where he was truly supposed to line up. That is not uncommon so NO he did not get screwed. NASCAR is constantly doing reviews when a race goes yellow and you will always see some positions get changed after they make their intial call. Same deal here, they made their original call and it was wrong. Another team either protested the line-up or asked for a review or NASCAR themselves decided to check the video to be safe. Either way, it was the correct call under the current rule.

Plus Robby had 3 laps to respond to the black flag and NASCAR themselves only gave Robby 1 lap before pulling his scoring they broke their own rules this is going to be interesting.

Again, Robby is tossing out a bunch of BS on this. He was DQ'ed per Ramsey Poston, "For intentionally wrecking the #59 after already receiving his black flag, NASCAR went into emergency mode and immediately disqualified the #55." They did not break their own rules, Robby was driving so dangerously that they were forced to park him before he got someone killed, unfortunately Robby continued to race on. They have done this in the past, see the Harvick incident at Martinsville. They immediately DQ'ed him after they saw that he was intent on wrecking Gibbs at all cost, the only difference, he actually listened and parked it.