whats the radius?

[JerryDorlshagen]

what is the mile radius you can drive without having to use a log book 100 or 150?

[Orangetxguy]

what is the mile radius you can drive without having to use a log book 100 or 150?

It used to be 100 miles....but I thought they had bumped it up to 150 a couple years ago. Best thing to do is check with your stste DOT office...or your company saftey director.

Definitions. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

[Double R]

100 AIR-MILES from your yard. Translates to ~112 road miles.

[Dooubles1955]

it is 100 miles my friend.

[Double R]

it is 100 miles my friend.

So I was off by three miles.
Question C-6 "What is an air-mile?"

The term "air-mile" is internationally defined as a "nautical mile" which is equivalent to 6,076 feet. Thus, the 100 air-miles are equivalent to 115.08 statute miles, and 150 air-miles are equivalent to 172.6 statute miles.

Source: HOS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

[firebird_1252]

100 air miles.. HOWEVER, if you run a split shift (like me) you must run a log.

[One]

so how in the world would a driver know how many air- miles you are from you start/end point? :rolleyes I think we have to be pilots too in order to comply with the regs....

[Double R]

so how in the world would a driver know how many air- miles you are from you start/end point? :rolleyes I think we have to be pilots too in order to comply with the regs....

Look at post five. If you go over 115 miles from the yard, log it.

[Crishe]

so how in the world would a driver know how many air- miles you are from you start/end point? :rolleyes I think we have to be pilots too in order to comply with the regs....

Hye One ..!!

Totally agree with you. Not yet any satisfied answer I show.

[golfhobo]

Look at post five. If you go over 115 [road] miles from the yard, log it...

That's not exactly right. Your delivery point might be at the end of some winding state highways that would have you actually travelling say... 127 miles to get there but, once there, you are still within the 115 statute mile "radius" of your terminal. I used the term statute instead of air-mile to set up the next q and a:

One asked: So how in the world would a driver know how many air- miles you are from your start/end point? I think we have to be pilots too in order to comply with the regs....

Do you remember when we were kids and.... no, really. That compass thingie you used in Geometry class to draw circles and measure angles and "radii." Get one and take out your atlas. Locate the mileage legend for the scale map you are using (City blow-ups have their own scale.) Spread it out to show 115 miles (not 100) and then put the pin point at your terminal location, set the pencil point down on the atlas, and draw a circle. That's your territory. You can drive all the miles you can drive within your 12 hours (is it?) as long as you stay inside that circle. If a road to one of those customers takes you outside the circle? You have to log it. [per the FMCSR's]


There's a bit more to this discussion, but I gotta go before Clee finds me and FINES me for egging on my good friend (and respected driver) Double R.... or conspiring to commit "general nonsense." (wink)

I only hope that I have done my part to help my fellow truckers who are in need. [Matthew 25]

Hobo

[Roadhog]

They are inforcing this strongly in Michigan. I guess the State is so broke, they have to resort to highway robbery.
They nailed us on the short haul.
We've been stopped and checked 3 times just this year, and they check for everything.

[Orangetxguy]

Here is a really really good idea!!


Log it like you drive it!!

[Roadhog]

Here is a really really good idea!!


Log it like you drive it!!

...yeah, but is that in the first book or the second one?

[Orangetxguy]

...yeah, but is that in the first book or the second one? <------------ Now...THAT is something they should put in the list!!!

Hint hint CleeIB!!

[GMAN]

what is the mile radius you can drive without having to use a log book 100 or 150?

This is from the fmcsa website and is found in 395.1

(e) Short-haul operations—(1) 100 air-mile radius driver. A driver is exempt from the requirements of § 395.8 if: (i) The driver operates within a 100 air-mile radius of the normal work reporting location;(ii) The driver, except a driver-salesperson, returns to the work reporting location and is released from work within 12 consecutive hours; (iii)(A) A property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 10 consecutive hours off duty separating each 12 hours on duty; Code of Federal Regulations479


(B) A passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 8 consecutive hours off duty separating each 12 hours on duty;(iv)(A) A property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver does not exceed 11 hours maximum driving time following 10 consecutive hours off-duty; or(B) A passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver does not exceed 10 hours maximum driving time following 8 consecutive hours off duty; and(v) The motor carrier that employs the driver maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showingA) The time the driver reports for duty each day;(B) The total number of hours the driver is on duty each day;(C) The time the driver is released from duty each day; and(D) The total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with §395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently. (2) Operators of property-carrying commercial motor vehicles not requiring a commercial driver's license. Except as provided in this paragraph, a driver is exempt from the requirements of § 395.3 and § 395.8 and ineligible to use the provisions of §395.1(e)(1), (g) and (o) if: (i) The driver operates a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle for which a commercial driver's license is not required under part 383 of this subchapter; (ii) The driver operates within a 150 air-mile radius of the location where the driver reports to and is released from work, i.e., the normal work reporting location; (iii) The driver returns to the normal work reporting location at the end of each duty tour;(iv) The driver has at least 10 consecutive hours off duty separating each on-duty period;(v) The driver does not drive more than 11 hours following at least 10 consecutive hours off-duty;(vi) The driver does not driveA) After the 14th hour after coming on duty on 5 days of any period of 7 consecutive days; and(B) After the 16th hour after coming on duty on 2 days of any period of 7 consecutive days;(vii) The driver does not driveA) After having been on duty for 60 hours in 7 consecutive days if the employing motor carrier does not operate commercial motor vehicles every day of the week;(B) After having been on duty for 70 hours in 8 consecutive days if the employing motor carrier operates commercial motor vehicles every day of the week;(viii) Any period of 7 or 8 consecutive days may end with the beginning of any off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours.(ix) The motor carrier that employs the driver maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showingA) The time the driver reports for duty each day;(B) The total number of hours the driver is on duty each day;(C) The time the driver is released from duty each day;(D) The total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with § 395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently.

[rondrives]

100 miles