CSA 2010 and Dispatchers

[zipy46]

Can someone point me to the CSA 2010 reg that speaks of dispatchers putting you under

an 'illegal' dispatch please.

In other words giving you a run (like they seem to love to do) that cannot be gotten their

legally.

They will now be liable out here along with you (the driver) if there is an incident.. be it crash or weigh station shutdown etc.

Thanks

[Malaki86]

Along the same lines: what about when you've written things up on your truck multiple times (say, 6 months worth) and they're never repaired by the shop.

[DaveP]

Can someone point me to the CSA 2010 reg that speaks of dispatchers putting you under

an 'illegal' dispatch please.

In other words giving you a run (like they seem to love to do) that cannot be gotten their

legally.

They will now be liable out here along with you (the driver) if there is an incident.. be it crash or weigh station shutdown etc.

Thanks

Never mind the regs....

If it can't be done legally, a dispatcher isn't driving the truck....YOU ARE.

You simply REFUSE to move that load if YOUR hours of service show it's time to park it.

[Jackrabbit379]

Along the same lines: what about when you've written things up on your truck multiple times (say, 6 months worth) and they're never repaired by the shop.

Now, this is just me thinking..but I would think that they would look at the past (say, 6 months) DVIR's. If they do that, and you've documented on your DVIR, it should be on the shop. Knowing my luck, it would come back on me.

[headborg]

Now, this is just me thinking..but I would think that they would look at the past (say, 6 months) DVIR's. If they do that, and you've documented on your DVIR, it should be on the shop. Knowing my luck, it would come back on me.

but, it's still the classic catch-22. (1) If you check off anything as "defective" or unsafe during your PTI. You can't legally drive/operate it until it's fixed and the repairing mechanic has signed your DVIR. So, having 6 months of DVIR's where you repeatedly "wrote up" the vehicle, but continued to operate it-- gonna get YOU in even more trouble- especially if you're involved in an accident because of knowingly driving defective equipment and it's those defects that contribute to the accident.

Besides that... just try to get a mechanic to sign your DVIR after fixing your problems... unless you ask them BEFORE you PAY THEM-- and they refuse to sign so then you REFUSE to PAY.
But now, they will slap a lean and again you're not going anywhere.


As for Dispatchers... they've changed a couple words in the law suggesting that in the near future.. they are working on some means of fining or otherwise holding dispatchers, load planners, customer service personal responsible for dispatching individual drivers on loads that they cannot legally complete in accord with 392.6. And also looking like in the future dispatchers will be required to KNOW exactly how many hours a driver has available (including 14hr rule) at the time of dispatch. These changes in the wording... now not only includes the OWNER of the company( holder of the DOT authority) but also his employees as well.
I really don't see how this is going to be 'workable' unless you require dispatchers to have Licenses of their own-- some manner of something to assign "fines"

[Jackrabbit379]

That's true, headborg. Man, it's a losing situation.

[zipy46]

FMCSA people sent me this link...

FMCSA - Safety Violation Hotline Web site



Apparently the Feds are well aware of companies and the games they play with the drivers.

I am happy to get this link from them.

[Windwalker]

FMCSA people sent me this link...

FMCSA - Safety Violation Hotline Web site



Apparently the Feds are well aware of companies and the games they play with the drivers.

I am happy to get this link from them.

There were times that I could have made very good use of this a few years ago. Sure wish I'd had it back then.

[zipy46]

I am still holding out that the CSA 2010 will cause the bunch where I work to 'straighten up'

but my gut tells me that would be like riding with Bonnie and Clyde and hoping they

change their ways....I am just personally tired of being hung out to dry running 'old school'

for these smaller outfits.

[Malaki86]

As for being able to prove when a dispatch is illegal, it's pretty easy...

Send despatch at 06:00 for load that picks up at 10:00 200 miles away. Driver sends arrival call at 09:30. Driver sends loaded call at 14:00. Load is due to be delivered at 06:00 820 miles away. Solo driver. BTW - I had this exact load.

[Mr. Ford95]

Exactly, if your logs are correct if and when DOT takes a look they will notice it also. As long as you aren't speeding you will have nothing to worry about from them busting you on that load. They will go after the company but if your speeding in an attempt to get it there in time still then your going to get yourself in trouble also obviously.