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  1. 12-19-2008 09:31 AM #1
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    Default New rule goes into effect 1/30/09

    As of January 30, 2009 you will have to show proof to your state that you are medically qualified to have a CDL even though you may not be working as a CDL driver at that time.

    Final Rule: Medical Certification Requirements as part of CDL Part of the CDL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uturn2001 View Post
    As of January 30, 2009 you will have to show proof to your state that you are medically qualified to have a CDL even though you may not be working as a CDL driver at that time.

    Final Rule: Medical Certification Requirements as part of CDL Part of the CDL
    I had to do that the last time I renewed my CDL in FL....over a year ago.
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    I've had to do that in Wisconsin for at least the past 10 years.
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    I know that there are several states that have required this for a long time, but there are also many that don't.

    While I can somewhat understand the thinking behind it, I am concerned that it could wind up causing a lot of problems for drivers. What happens to drivers who are temporarily medically unqualified? Are they going to have their CDL's yanked and then in a few months, a year, or two when they are able to drive again are they going to have to take a state road test once more and go through the headaches of trying to get a vehicle to do it in since many/most states do not provide them.
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    A few of our mechanics have CDL's and they have to renew their MED card every two years.
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    Never have had to in OH, and I think it's a lousy idea!

    I have plans of leaving this industry within the next year or so, however I do NOT want to give up my CDL! Now, it seems that either I give it up, or pay for a DOT physical every two years....ridiculous!
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    I see no problem with this ruling. ALL CDL holders are required to have a current medical card. If one stays out of the business long enough for his medical card to expire, it is only natural to produce one before renewing a CDL license. If you want to go back to a class c licence, fine. Maintaining a CDL license, when not using it, is pointless anyways. If, after a long delay, one chooses to go back to driving, he will HAVE to have a medical certificate, AND will have to retake the written tests anyway. I didn't see where it was necessary to retake the road test in a CMV, but that wouldn't surprise or bother me either! A CDL is not a "college degree." It's not, nor should it be, good for life. Either stay in the business, and stay current in all ways, or prove your way back into it.

    If you can't prove medical fitness, CMV knowledge, or ability to drive, you have no business getting a "free pass" to drive a CMV on my roads.
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    Ah, but Hobo...there IS no "free pass"!!! That CDL is USELESS without a medical card. However, a 30 minute trip to a doc will get you a DOT card if ya need one...however it takes WEEKS and THOUSANDS to get another CDL.

    Yes...I do certainly have a problem with it!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomB985 View Post
    That CDL is USELESS without a medical card. However, a 30 minute trip to a doc will get you a DOT card if ya need one...
    Hell - if you go to the doc and they flunk you? No problem - just find another doc to go to who will pass you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uturn2001 View Post
    I know that there are several states that have required this for a long time, but there are also many that don't.

    While I can somewhat understand the thinking behind it, I am concerned that it could wind up causing a lot of problems for drivers. What happens to drivers who are temporarily medically unqualified? Are they going to have their CDL's yanked and then in a few months, a year, or two when they are able to drive again are they going to have to take a state road test once more and go through the headaches of trying to get a vehicle to do it in since many/most states do not provide them.
    According to the full text of the Final Ruling.... no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomB985 View Post
    Never have had to in OH, and I think it's a lousy idea!

    I have plans of leaving this industry within the next year or so, however I do NOT want to give up my CDL! Now, it seems that either I give it up, or pay for a DOT physical every two years....ridiculous!
    Well, that is essentially correct. However, according to the FMCSR's you were never allowed to "maintain" that CDL without medical certification anyways. In fact, you said yourself that, "that CDL is USELESS without a medical card."

    It is unclear to me at this time whether or not you would be required to go to the DMV and get a "downgraded" license. I suspect you would NOT (until time for renewal.) However, your CDLIS record will show the downgrade when a cop runs your license, so you better not be in a CMV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomB985 View Post
    ...however it takes WEEKS and THOUSANDS to get another CDL.
    Not true. IF you let your CDL "lapse" (or be downgraded) as a result of not having a medical certificate on file with the SDLA (State Driver's Licensing Agency,) and you choose to reactivate that privilege before the renewal date on your license, a simple ME certificate would seem to suffice. If it is AFTER the current expiration date on your license, you MAY need to retake the written tests and pay the $100 bucks or so (depending on your state.) I saw no requirement to retake the road test, although there MIGHT be such a requirement in some states. In others, I believe your certificate of training and initial road test may suffice.

    This new ruling, which was mandated long ago, serves ONLY to incorporate the need and verification of medical qualification with the information on file at the DMV. Instead of providing the renewed medical certificate to your employer, AND the need to carry a card on your person, it mandates submittal (by mail, fax or other means) of that periodic medical certification to the SDLA, so that it can be accessed by officers during a roadside inspection, and to keep the SDLA from downgrading your CDL privileges.

    I repeat that, without said certification, you were not allowed to operate a CMV in "non-excepted Interstate Commerce" anyways, and therefore maintaining your CDL after leaving the business was of no value other than personal prestige anyway.

    Unless, of course, you intended fraud. And that, plus safety issues, is the reason for the new ruling. Surely you aren't against keeping unqualified drivers out of big rigs!
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    Hobo you made it to at least 4:37PM on Christmas? Good God! You must have been totally soused by then. I just hope that there were no open flames in your vicinity!
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    Here in ontario canada its been that way as long asi can remember.

    We don't have medical cards, and don't need one to truck into usa either.
    To get and keep a CDL in ontario, you must bring in a valid medical form from a DR every so many years.

    And anytime i have got DOT inspections in usa, i have never been asked for a medical card, since our Ontario drivers licence proves we passed the medical or we wouldn't have that class of licence.

    makes sense that usa should also just abandon medical cards and just make drivers provide medical forms from DR when applying and renewing their licence. then drivers wouldn;t need to carry a medical card along with the CDL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belpre122 View Post
    Hobo you made it to at least 4:37PM on Christmas? Good God! You must have been totally soused by then. I just hope that there were no open flames in your vicinity!

    Well.... YOUR last post on Christmas Day was at 1:52 p.m. EST.... and you had just walked in the door! So, I guess you came HOME "soused!"

    I think we BOTH said that we had to go out that night.

    I've had a REALLY bad week, Bel.... and it is STILL getting worse! Even my Christmas was chitty!

    Besides, it was a bit boring and "touchy" on here that day, so I quit posting early. Oh.... BTW.... you missed the one I posted at about 5 p.m. on the "regarding bannings" thread! Try to stay current, will ya?
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    5PM?? Wow, I did miss that one! I can't believe that you didn't pass out before then! You must have really been 3-sheets-to-the-wind by then Hobo!

    In the interest of public safety. Why not just go ahead and placard yourself before going on one of these jags? Golfhobo=The one-eyed, wobbly Human HAZMAT load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo View Post
    I didn't see where it was necessary to retake the road test in a CMV, but that wouldn't surprise or bother me either!
    CLICK SPRINGFIELD – Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White announced today that effective May 1, 2008 out-of-state CDL holders moving to Illinois must take and pass the written and road tests before they are issued an Illinois CDL. ME
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splitshift View Post
    CLICK SPRINGFIELD – Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White announced today that effective May 1, 2008 out-of-state CDL holders moving to Illinois must take and pass the written and road tests before they are issued an Illinois CDL. ME
    That was about to go into effect when we moved from FL to IL last year. We had no idea about it, but found out when we went to the DMV that we made the deadline by three days. Doing the road or skills test wouldn’t have been a problem, but at the time we didn’t have a trailer handy and THAT would have complicated things.

    According to the DMV lady we dealt with, in the future the plan is to make even those staying in the state and renewing their CDL take the road and skills test if they’ve had any at fault accidents or tickets in the previous three years. I don’t think it’s a bad idea, but as I mentioned above, if you don’t have a trailer at your disposal to test with (say you’re a lease operator leased to a company in another state that does not let you take a trailer home) it could cause a problem.
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