Am I required by regs to log this?

[Colts Fan]

Lets say that I start my day at noon and drive 165 miles to meet and switch with another driver. So I get back to home terminal at around 6pm or so with a total of around 330 miles driven for the day, 5.25 to 5.5 hours of driving time. Obviously I log this time as it is over 100 air miles from home terminal. Now, I go off duty for an hour and a half and then make a local delivery and two pick ups in a straight truck, getting back at about 10pm.

My question: Am I required to log those local pick-ups and deliveries at the end of the day?

[Double R]

Lets say that I start my day at noon and drive 165 miles to meet and switch with another driver. So I get back to home terminal at around 6pm or so with a total of around 330 miles driven for the day, 5.25 to 5.5 hours of driving time. Obviously I log this time as it is over 100 air miles from home terminal. Now, I go off duty for an hour and a half and then make a local delivery and two pick ups in a straight truck, getting back at about 10pm.

My question: Am I required to log those local pick-ups and deliveries at the end of the day?

You're kidding, right?

[Uturn2001]

I hope this question is about using a time sheet/card vs. using a log book.

If your company uses both, time sheets and log books, depending on where you are going then you can switch between the two during the day, however you will still need to log the time you used the time sheets on the log page.

[Colts Fan]

You're kidding, right?

No I'm not. The reason I'm asking is because the pick-ups and delivery are within 100 air miles of home terminal. I do not log them.

[got mud?]

No I'm not. The reason I'm asking is because the pick-ups and delivery are within 100 air miles of home terminal. I do not log them.

you have to log any work you do even if it is for a different company and different job all together. so yes you would be required to log this too. i'm sure someone will come along and give you the exact regs. stand by...

[Rev.Vassago]

No I'm not. The reason I'm asking is because the pick-ups and delivery are within 100 air miles of home terminal. I do not log them.

Then, based on what I am reading in the regs, you are logging incorrectly. You cannot simply use the 100 air mile radius exemption just because part of the day you are within 100 air miles of your work reporting location. If that were the case, every OTR driver would stop logging as soon as they were within 100 air miles of their terminal.

On the day in question, you could not use the 100 air mile radius exemption. The next day you may be able to (assuming you met the requirements).

Here's the pertinent info (please note that the FMCSA website still uses the 10 hours on duty and 8 hours off duty, which is incorrect):

§395.1 Scope of the Rules in This Part

Question 22: A driver returns to his/her normal work reporting location from a location beyond the 100-air-mile radius and goes off duty for 7 hours. May the driver return to duty after being off-duty for 7 hours and utilize the 100-air-mile radius exemption?

Guidance: No. The 7-hour off-duty period has not met the requirement of 8 consecutive hours separating each 12-hour on-duty period. The driver must first accumulate 8 consecutive hours off-duty before operating under the 100-air-mile radius exemption.

[Blind Driver]

Lets say I'm delivering within a 100 mile radius for 4 hours. Then the company send me 150 miles out. How would this be logged since I have no clue what the times where earlier.

[Rev.Vassago]

Lets say I'm delivering within a 100 mile radius for 4 hours. Then the company send me 150 miles out. How would this be logged since I have no clue what the times where earlier.

You can't remember what you did 4 hours ago?

[Myth_Buster]

No I'm not. The reason I'm asking is because the pick-ups and delivery are within 100 air miles of home terminal. I do not log them.

Every driver is subject to the HOS. Drivers who qualfy for the 100 air-mile exception from the log only have to log days they failed to meet the 100 air-mile exception.

A driver is excepted from the log book if:

1. The driver operates within 100 air miles of the terminal.

2. The driver is released within 12 consecutive hours.

3. The driver has at least 10 hours off between shifts.

4. The driver does not drive for more than 11 hours.

5. The employer keeps true and accurate time records depicting:

a. The start time.

b. The end time.

c. Total hours on-duty for the day.

Once ANY ONE of the above conditions are not met the driver must complete a log for that day.

So yes you must log the stops within 100 air-miles for a day you exceeded the 100 air-mile radius.

Be safe.

[Colts Fan]

Thank you all for the information.

[got mud?]

Thank you all for the information.

wow a whole thread start to finish on logs with no fighting or total disagreement. I think this deserves to be noted and celebrated, with a little line five time. :wink:

[Rev.Vassago]

wow a whole thread start to finish on logs with no fighting or total disagreement. I think this deserves to be noted and celebrated, with a little line five time. :wink:

Notice a lack of response from anyone in particular?

[got mud?]

Notice a lack of response from anyone in particular?

now that you mention it! yes. I do have one question. since I have no experience with 100 air mile rule. If a driver uses that exemptions and then has to drive outside the limit and use a log book, does he have to log the past 6 days? or can he just flag a page and do a range of dates? stating that he was under 100 mile rule?

[Rev.Vassago]

now that you mention it! yes. I do have one question. since I have no experience with 100 air mile rule. If a driver uses that exemptions and then has to drive outside the limit and use a log book, does he have to log the past 6 days? or can he just flag a page and do a range of dates? stating that he was under 100 mile rule?

You only need to log the days you go outside the 100 air mile radius. You do, however, need to have a record of your on duty time for the previous 7 days.

[got mud?]

You only need to log the days you go outside the 100 air mile radius. You do, however, need to have a record of your on duty time for the previous 7 days.

what would suffice as a record? just putting your hours on the side if your log has that? seems like if your going to be doing any time outside the exception you might as well just run a log to be safe.

[Rev.Vassago]

what would suffice as a record? just putting your hours on the side if your log has that? seems like if your going to be doing any time outside the exception you might as well just run a log to be safe.

My bad. The driver does not have to retain a record of hours on duty in his possession. If the driver goes outside the 100 air mile radius, he needs only have a log for the day in question:

Question 13: What documentation must a driver claiming the 100-air- mile radius exemption [§395.1(e)] have in his/her possession?

Guidance: None.

Question 21: When a driver fails to meet the provisions of the 100- air-mile radius exemption (§395.1(e)), is the driver required to have copies of his/her records of duty status for the previous seven days? Must the driver prepare daily records of duty status for the next seven days?

Guidance: The driver must only have in his/her possession a record of duty status for the day he/she does not qualify for the exemption. A driver must begin to prepare the record of duty status for the day immediately after he/she becomes aware that the terms of the exemption cannot be met. The record of duty status must cover the entire day, even if the driver has to record retroactively changes in status that occurred between the time that the driver reported for duty and the time in which he/she no longer qualified for the 100 air-mile radius exemption. This is the only way to ensure that a driver does not claim the right to drive 10 hours after leaving his/her exempt status, in addition to the hours already driven under the 100-air-mile exemption.