Logging in the Suburbs

[okie]

Quick question on logging. We have a suburb of Tulsa that grew so quickly that the city of Tulsa was asked to annex it. This was for Fire and Police protection as is my understanding. This town is located on the south side of Tulsa, requiring us to drive the entire way across Tulsa to get to it. How do I log it? I know its Bixby, you pass several businesses that say Bixby. But computer and paperwork say Tulsa. Similar situation in Wichita. Is this one of those "either will be fine" situations? Take a nice hit on the miles too.

[Uturn2001]

Technically and legally you should log the location of your stop as whatever the physical address is of the place you are stopping at. If you are unsure ask the shipping/receiving clerk. If you are concerned about logs not matching freight bills you can always add the city the bills say in parenthesis, ie Bixby (Tulsa), Ok.

Since city limits can get confusing in metro areas you won't get nailed to the wall by logging it to the best of your knowledge. There have been places I have been to where the office is in "Smith" at the front of the building but the warehouse at the back of the plant is in "Jones". Now how is that for a brain teaser.

[rkeck]

Just log it however works to your advantage. It's doubtful it'll ever come up in an audit either way but if so just act dumb and say "ok"

[Double R]

Just log it however works to your advantage. It's doubtful it'll ever come up in an audit either way but if so just act dumb and say "ok"

Ya, just log it illegal like he said.

[belpre122]

Quick question on logging.

No such thing on CAD.com okie!

We have a suburb of Tulsa that grew so quickly that the city of Tulsa was asked to annex it. This was for Fire and Police protection as is my understanding. This town is located on the south side of Tulsa, requiring us to drive the entire way across Tulsa to get to it.

Great question okie!!!

I have been round and round with the folks on this board, as well as the professional "compliance" experts that are highly paid to deliver safety seminars at my company. To date, none of the above have been able and/or willing to tie themselves to a definite answer to the question of how to log metro areas.

So therefore...................

How do I log it? I know its Bixby, you pass several businesses that say Bixby. But computer and paperwork say Tulsa. Similar situation in Wichita. Is this one of those "either will be fine" situations? Take a nice hit on the miles too.

Log it as Bixby. You can never go wrong by logging the smaller locality. This is considered a more "accurate and compliant method of logging." You'll never have a problem logging the truth.

Just ask any of the OTR pundits here.............................................. ....

Ex..........The Indianapolis Motor Speedway is actually in Speedway, Indiana...............not Indianapolis.

[rkeck]

Ya, just log it illegal like he said.

Based on what would he be logging it illegal logging it Tulsa? The way I see it he's right to log it Tulsa .. or Bixby. When neither will get you cited if push comes to shove, why not use the one that works to your advantage?

It's people like you that have made this profession more of a hassle than it needs to be. Lighten up.

[Jackrabbit379]

Wow, Tulsa must really be getting "big time".

[Double R]

Based on what would he be logging it illegal logging it Tulsa? The way I see it he's right to log it Tulsa .. or Bixby. When neither will get you cited if push comes to shove, why not use the one that works to your advantage?

It's people like you that have made this profession more of a hassle than it needs to be. Lighten up.

Here lies the problem with your answer:

Just log it however works to your advantage.

and

just act dumb and say "ok"

1)Log what the BOL says the town and/or city is.
2)Playing "DUMB" is not an excuse. Learn the regs!

It's people like YOU that make this industry the disgrace that it is today!

LIGHTEN UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Myth_Buster]

South Chicago is not Chicago, Ford Heights is not Chciago, Bixby is not Tulsa.

Look at your street map... If you're on Memorial Drive and turn east on 146th Street then most likely you're in Bixby.

Use your resources make an educated guess and be prepared to justify your reasoning.... Provided the reasoning has merit then you have justification in your logging practices.

EORBs use satellite tracking and longitude latitude references for positioning...

EORBs are looming on the horizon, those who get creative in their logging will most likely be the first to experience EORBs, those who log it as they drive it will be the last to experience EOBRs.

Your choice.

Be safe.

[jegzus]

Here lies the problem with your answer:

and

1)Log what the BOL says the town and/or city is.
2)Playing "DUMB" is not an excuse. Learn the regs!

It's people like YOU that make this industry the disgrace that it is today!

LIGHTEN UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOW...you might want to actually get in a truck and make a few deliveries before your armchair rig falls apart brother.

And as a veteran trucker you should know that most companies do not use their physical address on the bills. More times than not it is a convienent address that the white shirts use for mail.

[Double R]

WOW...you might want to actually get in a truck and make a few deliveries before your armchair rig falls apart brother.

And as a veteran trucker you should know that most companies do not use their physical address on the bills. More times than not it is a convienent address that the white shirts use for mail.

Armchair rig? Now THAT is funny. Go do 10-15 stops a day like I do and then tell me I drive a arm chair rig. And that is in a tractor trailer. And just so you know, ALL my BOLs have to have the PHYSICAL delivery address on them. Without the address, they get no product!

[Fredog]

Quick question on logging. We have a suburb of Tulsa that grew so quickly that the city of Tulsa was asked to annex it. This was for Fire and Police protection as is my understanding. This town is located on the south side of Tulsa, requiring us to drive the entire way across Tulsa to get to it. How do I log it? I know its Bixby, you pass several businesses that say Bixby. But computer and paperwork say Tulsa. Similar situation in Wichita. Is this one of those "either will be fine" situations? Take a nice hit on the miles too.

what you need to do is before you log it, call rev or golfhobo and ask them what to do, this way, you will be assured of getting both answers which will increase your chances of doing it right.

[jegzus]

Armchair rig? Now THAT is funny. Go do 10-15 stops a day like I do and then tell me I drive a arm chair rig. And that is in a tractor trailer. And just so you know, ALL my BOLs have to have the PHYSICAL delivery address on them. Without the address, they get no product!

I do almost the same exact job as you, except I go a little farther in miles each day. So don't think I'm impressed with your 10-15 stops a day.

For guys like us who deliver to small companies they do use the physical address. But many large companies to not, which is has been my experience in the past.

[got mud?]

South Chicago is not Chicago, Ford Heights is not Chciago, Bixby is not Tulsa.

Look at your street map... If you're on Memorial Drive and turn east on 146th Street then most likely you're in Bixby.

Use your resources make an educated guess and be prepared to justify your reasoning.... Provided the reasoning has merit then you have justification in your logging practices.

EORBs use satellite tracking and longitude latitude references for positioning...

EORBs are looming on the horizon, those who get creative in their logging will most likely be the first to experience EORBs, those who log it as they drive it will be the last to experience EOBRs.

Your choice.

Be safe.

My street address is for Canton oh. I actually live in Jackson ohio. (half of jackson has a massillon address half has canton. why? no post office.) how do I log it? lmfao maybe I should put the longitude and latitude. The north canton TA that is listed as the north canton TA and has a north canton address is actually located in Jackson ohio. so everyone that logs it as north canton is lying on there logs and breaking the law and going to hell... get over yourself and stop being so anal.

we will probably never see complete use of EOBRs as the cost is to prohibitive both in lost revenue for DOT and other LEA and the increase in the cost of shipping. its similar to the war on drugs. no one really wants to win the war as it would cost to much in lost revenue and jobs. we just wanna look like we are trying so we can spend billions and make money with jails, fines, etc etc etc.

[Myth_Buster]

Got Mud says:

we just wanna look like we are trying so we can spend billions and make money with jails, fines, etc etc etc.

And what of the dirty driver and carrier who falsify their records to make an extra buck or three? It amazes me how many folks try and denie culpability when they're caught red handed and then stutter and stammer as they try and justify the false records.

It's OK Got Mud, its job security for me.... There are a sufficent number of drivers and carriers who disregard the rules and it's not that hard to uncover the truth when you look at all of the facts.

In the previous 9 years I can attest to over $1 million in penaties to those who get creative.

MB saving the world one carrier at a time.

Be safe.

[belpre122]

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[got mud?]

Got Mud says:



And what of the dirty driver and carrier who falsify their records to make an extra buck or three? It amazes me how many folks try and denie culpability when they're caught red handed and then stutter and stammer as they try and justify the false records.

It's OK Got Mud, its job security for me.... There are a sufficent number of drivers and carriers who disregard the rules and it's not that hard to uncover the truth when you look at all of the facts.

In the previous 9 years I can attest to over $1 million in penaties to those who get creative.

MB saving the world one carrier at a time.

Be safe.

exactly myth-buster that is my point. why would the powers that be want to lose all that revenue? they don't. i'm not saying its right or wrong. just stating an opinion of why things are the way they are. it makes money. if you really wanted to change things you would be fixing the problems that cause drivers to falsify there logs. contrary to popular belief its not always greed. shippers and recievers taking for ever to load and unload. limited parking and facilities etc etc.

[Myth_Buster]

Got Mud:

exactly myth-buster that is my point. why would the powers that be want to lose all that revenue? they don't. i'm not saying its right or wrong. just stating an opinion of why things are the way they are. it makes money. if you really wanted to change things you would be fixing the problems that cause drivers to falsify there logs. contrary to popular belief its not always greed. shippers and recievers taking for ever to load and unload. limited parking and facilities etc etc.

It's all perception GM, the LEO sees equipment with poor maintenance and it is assumed the lack of maintenance is money related. It's common knowledge that safety is first to take a hit as the belt tightens as safety has no return.

Regarding falsification, the DOT gives carriers 10% for management, IOW, if I look at 150 days of logs and there are 10 violations the false logs have no impact on the carrier's rating. On the other hand if there are 150 days examined and 15 vioations are discovered it has an impact on the carrier's safety rating.

Regarding the situation of shippers and carriers taking forever to load.... The driver feels pressured to falsify their log to hide the waiting time that affected their 14 hour rule. The pressure the driver felt is because many drivers are paid by the mile and the time waiting is lost revenue. For the hourly driver they falsify to ensure they don't exceed the 14 hour rule.

Not to disagree but I've seen false logs by hourly workers and mile workers... It all boils back down to money.

Carriers allow drivers to falsify their records to ensure their customers remain satisfied and freight is delivered on-time. Do some carriers expect too much of their drivers? Yes, do some driver follow Larry the Cable Guy's mentality of "Get-er-done." Yes. Does the violation of the safety regs potentially put human life at stake... Yes.

I've participated in three NTSB investigations and two criminal investigations, my comments and concerns are based on drivers who made a bad choice and faced severe consequences later, i.e. jail time.

It's the driver's choice, however, the driver needs to heavily weigh the consequences before doing something stupid because when things go south their freedom weighs in the balance.

Be safe.

[golfhobo]

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I disagree, Bel! How can you MAKE such a stoopid statement?? I may just have to slam your rep for this!

[belpre122]

I disagree, Bel! How can you MAKE such a stoopid statement?? I may just have to slam your rep for this!

Heck Hobo, I thought that everyone would enjoy the brevity!