Another logbook question/ Recap hours.

[Rev.Vassago]

Are you the guy boasting about not having any Panties on?

Nope. My CB has one setting. Off.

[golfhobo]

Are you the guy boasting about not having any Panties on?

Nope. My CB has one setting. Off.

Well..... that's kinda RIDICULOUS isn't it, Rev?? DId you have to pay EXTRA for a radio that you cannot, and have no intention of, using??? :shock:

What Flying J are you hanging OUT in?? I think I got one under the bunk that don't WORK..... You could probably get that one off of me for ...... oh, say...... 50 bucks!!!

That way, when the one you HAVE that only works on "off" goes "out," you'll have a backup CB that you can't use!..... and won't have to buy a NEW one!

How's your COOLER doin'??? I got a special this week on coolers that don't COOL!! Best part is.... you don't even have to waste a recepticle (sp?) Plugging it IN!!! :shock: 8)

Got a flashlight here with NO batteries!!! It's a STEAL!! :wink:

[Rev.Vassago]

Well..... that's kinda RIDICULOUS isn't it, Rev?? DId you have to pay EXTRA for a radio that you cannot, and have no intention of, using??? :shock:

Yes.

What Flying J are you hanging OUT in??

I don't really hang out at Flying J. I don't really hang out at any truck stop for that matter. But if you can find me, I will buy your CB that doesn't work with monopoly money. That way you have money you can't and won't spend.

[golfhobo]

Rev said:

I will buy your CB that doesn't work with monopoly money. That way you have money you can't and won't spend.

Okay.... DEAL!! [Man, I got the best of you THIS time! :wink: ]

Everyone KNOWS you can buy a mansion on Park Avenue with monopoly money!!

[BigDiesel]

Well..... that's kinda RIDICULOUS isn't it, Rev?? DId you have to pay EXTRA for a radio that you cannot, and have no intention of, using??? :shock:

I have $300 Connex that is never on, except during bad weather, or at the shipper and receiver....

[bigtimba]

Ignore everything posted by golfhobo and the Rev. I have them back on medication and they're both recovering nicely.

Mea culpa, mea culpa. Mea mea, culpa culpa. I made a mist . . er a misteak . . a mistake. My comment about line 4 was rrron . . wonng . . it was wrong. You can work forever should you choose. You just can't drive.

While the eras of my weighs could be constrained as a bases for a peel to a higher court, I am the highest court in the land and theirfour I deduct that all a peels was deniled.

As for the rest, I'm right, as usual. Allow me to memorialize and fourever incarcerate the concommitent table for reference:

8 days:

Less than 70 . . keep on driving.

At 70 . . you reset.

More than 70 . . youse breaking the law.

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Anyone posting below this line is a moron!

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[Rev.Vassago]

8 days:

Less than 70 . . keep on driving.

Nope. Only if you have hours available that day for driving, and haven't exceeded your 11 hours.

At 70 . . you reset.

Nope. If you hit your 70 on day 8, and have hours coming back tomorrow, there's no need to reset.

More than 70 . . youse breaking the law.

Nope. Only if you're driving.

__________________________________________________ _______

Anyone posting below this line is a moron!

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Nope. Only if they aren't me.

[Rat]

8 days:

Less than 70 . . keep on driving.

At 70 . . you reset.

More than 70 . . youse breaking the law.

As per the rules that were clearly stated to me over the phone with (Jeff or Brian) at the FMCSA office in Bismark North Dakota.

Reset is not mandatory unless you have reached 70 hours in less then 8 days and it would be quicker to reset then to wait till day 9 were you would get hours back from Day 1.

You only get those hours that you worked on day one back which means that if you only worked 7 or 8 hours on day 1 then that is all you get to work with on day 9. If you worked 13 hours on day two then you get 13 hours to work with on day 10. and so on and so forth.


If you run out of hours on day 6 then it is required to take a 34 hour reset to get hours back or you could just wait till day nine. But you can not drive unless you do one or the other.

So a 34 hour reset is not mandatory according to the FMCSA.

The only thing that is mandatory is having available hours to work/drive.

Which means you can not legally work/drive more then 70 hours in an 8 day period.

You may not legally work more then 14 hours a day (11 hours driving) in a 24 hour period. 10s berth or off duty time is required in a 24 hour period. Berth/off duty time may be split up as long as one of the breaks is more but not less then 8 hours.

Oh and to respond to the 34 hour reset equalling possibly 2 nights of rest.

Do the math. Two 10 hour sleeping periods equals 20 hours. This leaves another 14 hours between these two sleeping periods for off duty time in which you can just sit around and drink coffee and talk stories with some other supertrucker.

So if my math is correct, there is equal to to nights rest in a 34 hour reset.


The FMCSA site is pretty short on its explaination of the 34 hour rest and can possibly leave alot of questions unanswered in my personal opinion.

Yes the site say "May" but it does not explain in laymans terms how.

Just like its explaination of split berthing.

A person would think that they would do a better job of explaining these things rather then leave it up to non official sites to do the break down for them.


So in recap

34 hour reset not mandatory. You can feasilbly and legally drive every day as long as you do not go over 70 hours in any 8 day stretch.

[Rev.Vassago]

Wow, that was a great revelation you just supplied! Thank you very much! I can't believe nobody else in this thread has said that yet!


The fact remains that this stuff isn't rocket science, and is pretty easy to figure out. That would include split sleeper berths.

[Rat]

Wow, that was a great revelation you just supplied! Thank you very much! I can't believe nobody else in this thread has said that yet!


The fact remains that this stuff isn't rocket science, and is pretty easy to figure out. That would include split sleeper berths.

That may be true but I don't know you from a hole in the ground. I am just stating what was said by the nearest FMCSA office. I know they know the rules so that is why I called them.

[Rev.Vassago]

That may be true but I don't know you from a hole in the ground.

Do you know Jeff or Brian from a hole in the ground?

[Rat]

That may be true but I don't know you from a hole in the ground.

Do you know Jeff or Brian from a hole in the ground?

No I don't but I know were he works (Federal Motor Carriers Safety Administration In Bismark North Dakota) and it is his job to correctly answer questions.

From what I gather, you are a smart arse remarking know it all that is an O/O. Basically another steering wheel holder that has no fear as long as he is behind a key board or on the other end of a radio.

[golfhobo]

As per the rules that were clearly stated to me over the phone with (Jeff or Brian) at the FMCSA office in Bismark North Dakota.

Is this the first call or the second one? The one where they gave you FALSE information? Or, where they finally explained it correctly?

Reset is not mandatory unless you have reached 70 hours in less then 8 days and it would be quicker to reset then to wait till day 9 were you would get hours back from Day 1.

Just because reseting gets you moving quicker than waiting till day 9, STILL does not make it MANDATORY. The word mandatory really has no place in this entire discussion.

You only get those hours that you worked on day one back which means that if you only worked 7 or 8 hours on day 1 then that is all you get to work with on day 9. If you worked 13 hours on day two then you get 13 hours to work with on day 10. and so on and so forth.

UNLESS you don't USE all 7 or 8 of those hours, in which case, you would have MORE than the 13 on day 10. There are still, and always, other calculations involved. It is not as simple as just looking back 8 days and assuming you have exactly THAT many hours to use the next day.

If you run out of hours on day 6 then it is required to take a 34 hour reset to get hours back or you could just wait till day nine. But you can not drive unless you do one or the other.

I STILL wouldn't combine the words "required" and "or," but basically this is correct.

So a 34 hour reset is not mandatory according to the FMCSA.

Which is what all of us "stoopid truckers" have been saying! :wink:

The only thing that is mandatory is having available hours to work/drive.

There is no such thing as NOT having available hours to WORK. You could actually WORK some hours while waiting for day 9. You just can't DRIVE until the hours you get back exceed the hours you are OVER on your 70.

Which means you can not legally work/drive more then 70 hours in an 8 day period.

Wrong. Better make another phone call!

You may not legally work more then 14 hours a day (11 hours driving) in a 24 hour period.

Wrong. Are you saving up enough nickels for all these phone calls?

10 (hours) berth or off duty time is required in a 24 hour period.

Wrong. Here's an example... You start at midnight with a full clock. You drive 5, take a 2 hour break, then drive 6. It's now 1 p.m. You need another 8 at LEAST before you can DRIVE.... but let's say you're one of the "local wusses" that instead unload their own truck and then 2 or 3 OTHER trucks! You work the docks from 1 p.m. until 8 p.m. and then crawl in your sleeper to complete your break. However, now your 8 hour S/B doesn't end until 4 a.m the next day. Within the 24 hours from your starting time, you only were OFF duty a total of 6 hours! AND.... you "worked" a total of 18 hours in that 24 hour period!

Berth/off duty time may be split up as long as one of the breaks is more but not less then 8 hours.

You REALLY should proofread your posts if they are intended to ACCURATELY discuss HOS. The correct wording is "more than 8, but less than 10" This is because IF you take 10 consecutive.... you are not splitting. Oh yeah.... there is ALSO the requirement that the OTHER break be NO LESS than 2 consecutive hours on either line 1 or 2. You could take ONE 8 hour S/B break and TWO other breaks of 1.75 hours each and STILL be in violation.

Oh and to respond to the 34 hour reset equalling possibly 2 nights of rest.

Do the math. Two 10 hour sleeping periods equals 20 hours. This leaves another 14 hours between these two sleeping periods for off duty time in which you can just sit around and drink coffee and talk stories with some other supertrucker.

So if my math is correct, there is equal to two nights rest in a 34 hour reset.

Okay, sorry.... I wan't thinking clearly! It is possible. However...
What if you deliver your load, and run out of your 70, at 6 a.m?? You can start Driving again at 4 p.m on the second day. A NIGHT is generally defined as that DARK part of the 24 hour clock! So, in this case, you would have nearly TWO DAYS off, and only ONE NIGHT. Furthermore.... there is no requirement that you SLEEP for two 10 hour periods during the reset. You can spend the WHOLE 34 hours in the truckstop LEARNING the regs from those who know them, if you wanted to! :wink:

The FMCSA site is pretty short on its explaination of the 34 hour rest and can possibly leave alot of questions unanswered in my personal opinion.

Did you click on the guidance and interpretations sections of whatever reg you were reading? I think they do a pretty good job with this reg, especially since, as the REV says..... it ain't ROCKET science.

Yes the site says "May" but it does not explain in laymans terms how.

Yes it does.

Just like its explaination of split berthing.

A person would think that they would do a better job of explaining these things rather then leave it up to non official sites to do the break down for them.

I DO agree that they could do a better job. They should hire ME. However, these regs ARE spelled out in greater detail in the manuals that your SAFETY department has. It is left up to THEM to do a better job of educting their drivers.

So in recap

34 hour reset not mandatory. You can feasilbly and legally drive every day as long as you do not go over 70 hours in any 8 day stretch.

Actually.... as long as you do not DRIVE on any day that you then also go over 70 hours "working." But, let's not get into THAT one just yet.

[Rev.Vassago]

No I don't but I know were he works (Federal Motor Carriers Safety Administration In Bismark North Dakota) and it is his job to correctly answer questions.

From what I gather, you are a smart arse remarking know it all that is an O/O. Basically another steering wheel holder that has no fear as long as he is behind a key board or on the other end of a radio.

Since obviously nobody here is qualified to answer questions (according to you), I'd suggest you go frequent the FMCSA message board. After they are finished laughing at your lack of knowledge of the regs, you may enjoy yourself more there.

Which means you can not legally work/drive more then 70 hours in an 8 day period.

Wrong. Better make another phone call!

You may not legally work more then 14 hours a day (11 hours driving) in a 24 hour period.

Wrong. Are you saving up enough nickels for all these phone calls?

10 (hours) berth or off duty time is required in a 24 hour period.

Wrong. Here's an example... You start at midnight with a full clock. You drive 5, take a 2 hour break, then drive 6. It's now 1 p.m. You need another 8 at LEAST before you can DRIVE.... but let's say you're one of the "local wusses" that instead unload their own truck and then 2 or 3 OTHER trucks! You work the docks from 1 p.m. until 8 p.m. and then crawl in your sleeper to complete your break. However, now your 8 hour S/B doesn't end until 4 a.m the next day. Within the 24 hours from your starting time, you only were OFF duty a total of 6 hours! AND.... you "worked" a total of 18 hours in that 24 hour period!

It really amazes me how wrong someone can be on something so very simple. I have an excellent real-life example of the above scenario (something neither of those FMCSA pencil pushers has). Back when I was doing HHG, I got up at 5 am, did a 15 minute pretrip, then drove for 2 hours. At 7:15 AM, I went On Duty (not driving), and stayed on duty for the next 18 hours. At 1:15 AM, I went into the sleeper berth for 10 hours. Total hours on duty for a single 24 hour log sheet - 19. Total hours on duty in a 24 hour period - 20 1/4.

And yet I didn't violate the regs. Amazing.

[golfhobo]

And yet I didn't violate the regs. Amazing.

Doesn't sound like you SHOWERED, either! :shock:

My "favorite" Safety Director blooper is...... "All time between 8 hour sleeper berth breaks cannot exceed 14 hours!" (when discussing split logging!" I 'busted' THAT one on another website spun off from this one before I even got out of CDL school! [RidgeRunner might remember.]

Another one I like to do, is take two 8 hour breaks about 7 hours apart, and have a DOT officer tell me I'm out of my 14 when I try to drive my remaining 4!! :wink:

It really amazes me how wrong someone can be on something so very simple.

That's obviously because you're a smart arse steeringwheelholder!

[Fredog]

Well..... that's kinda RIDICULOUS isn't it, Rev?? DId you have to pay EXTRA for a radio that you cannot, and have no intention of, using??? :shock:

Yes.

What Flying J are you hanging OUT in??

I don't really hang out at Flying J. I don't really hang out at any truck stop for that matter. But if you can find me, I will buy your CB that doesn't work with monopoly money. That way you have money you can't and won't spend.

I have a 10 meter that I am usually not using, I could let you not use it when I am not not using it, but it gets a lot of not use, so it wouldnt be available for you to not use very often, but you are welcome to not use it when I am not not using it..

[Rev.Vassago]

I have a 10 meter that I am usually not using, I could let you not use it when I am not not using it, but it gets a lot of not use, so it wouldnt be available for you to not use very often, but you are welcome to not use it when I am not not using it..

Ummmm.......No thank you?

[lostNfound]

That may be true but I don't know you from a hole in the ground. I am just stating what was said by the nearest FMCSA office. I know they know the rules so that is why I called them.

No I don't but I know were he works (Federal Motor Carriers Safety Administration In Bismark North Dakota) and it is his job to correctly answer questions.

From what I gather, you are a smart arse remarking know it all that is an O/O. Basically another steering wheel holder that has no fear as long as he is behind a key board or on the other end of a radio.

A word of advice from "just another hole in the ground" ... read the regs and learn them yourself. I wouldn't trust any official any further than I could throw them. They can be, and often are, wrong. That is why tickets can get defeated ... if not, you would just pay your fine on the side of the road and be done with it. The courts are the final determinate of interpretations, not Bill, or Bob, or Jeff (unless their name is preceded with "Your Honour...". )

[lostNfound]

I think I will bring over some " pearls of wisdom " that ironimbecile_2006 has posted at the twuckers report...

I had to go look ... there are some winners. :shock:

[sbatson]

OK, so lets make sure here I got this crap right, ( Do I count the first day I start driving as day 1?) I drive Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday,Monday( 8th day) and I am maxed out at 70 I get my hours back from Monday( 1st day) on my 9th day right? Or like I seen on here do I need to stop at 69.75 to do that? I know I dont have to take a 34 unless I use them up like my 6th day bacause it would be quicker to do it that way. My wife confused me and said I would'nt count the first day I drove would I and said hell I dont know so I count on you all for help.