Another logbook question/ Recap hours.

[golfhobo]

The Rev said:

The Rev would not make this mistake, I'm sure. But, the Rev quoted somebody who did.

Since none of those things have anything to do with the subject at hand, what is your point in bringing them up? :roll

I DIDN'T bring them up.... YOU did. What was YOUR point??

I was only following your command, to wit:

Now stop the damn misinformation in this thread already.

Well, since I have your approval, I can go die now

You could do the same WITHOUT my approval. But, it is granted! :wink:

[ironeagle_2006]

Rev here is an article I copied from the Web on the case you CLAIM DID NOT EXSIST.
Trucking Hours-of-Service Rules Overturned

Many things have changed in the motor carrier industry since 1939 when the original hours-of-service (HOS) regulations were prescribed for truck drivers. Our roads are better designed, constructed, and maintained in a nationwide network to provide greater mobility, accessibility, and safety for all highway users. Vehicles have been dramatically improved in terms of design, construction, safety, comfort, efficiency, emissions, technology, and ergonomics. These factors, combined with years of driver fatigue and sleep disorder research, led to a January 2004 revision of the HOS regulations for drivers, the most important component of trucks operating on the highway.

A July 16 court decision, however, has overturned the recent Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration's (FMCSA) hours-of-service rule. The rules allowed truckers to stay on the road for up to 11 straight hours, one more hour than they had been allowed. In addition, it required drivers to take at least 10 hours off between shifts, two more than before. According to the court ruling, “FMCSA failed to consider the impact of the rules on the health of drivers.” Teamsters General President, Jim Hoffa, claimed that the court’s decision to overturn the hours-of-service ruling was a victory for all truck drivers. “Working behind the wheel of a truck is hard, and our concern with this set of rules was that they would increase driver fatigue. We know fatigue creates danger on the highways.”

FMCSA has 45 days from the date of the court decision (July 16, 2004) to decide whether to seek other legal action. However, during that period the hours-of-service regulations put into place in January 2004 will remain in effect. We’ll continue to update you on this issue in future editions of Loss Control Insights.

Back to Insights Newsletter Fall 2004
Source is EMC Insurance

And this one is for the FMCSA website

FMCSA 12-07
Tuesday, December 11, 2007
Contact: Melissa Mazzella DeLaney
Tel.: (202) 366-9999 or (202) 366-2309

FMCSA Announces Retention of Limits on Truck Driver Hours of Service

WASHINGTON – Truck drivers will continue to be limited to driving only 11 hours within a 14-hour duty period, after which they must go off duty for at least 10 hours under an Interim Final Rule (IFR) made public today by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA). The IFR was developed after new data showed that safety levels have been maintained since the 11-hour driving limit was first implemented in 2003.

“This proposal keeps in place hours-of-service limits that improve highway safety by ensuring that drivers are rested and ready to work,” FMCSA Administrator John H. Hill said. “The data makes clear that these rules continue to protect drivers, make our roads safer and keep our economy moving.”

The agency noted that, in 2006, the fatality rate per 100 million vehicle miles traveled was 1.94 – the lowest rate ever recorded. Similarly, since 2003, the percentage of large trucks involved in fatigue-related fatal crashes in the 11th hour of driving has remained below the average of the years 1991-2002. In 2005 alone, the agency noted, there was only one large truck involved in a fatigue-related fatal crash in the 11th hour of driving while in 2004 there were none.

In addition, between 2003, when the 11-hour driving limit and the 34-hour restart were adopted, and 2006, the percent of fatigue-related large truck crashes relative to all fatal large truck crashes has remained consistent. And the agency’s estimates show that only seven percent of large truck crashes are fatigue related.

Hill noted that the agency also is working to finalize a proposed rule that would require drivers and trucking companies with serious or repeat hours-of-service violations to track their hours of service using electronic on-board recorders.

The agency issued the new hours of service rule in response to the recent decision by the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals vacating key provisions of the existing hours of service rules effective on December 27. In order to ensure no gap in coverage of these important safety rules, today’s rule temporarily reinstates those two provisions while the agency gathers public comment on its actions and the underlying safety analysis before issuing a final rule.


So REV YOU WERE WRONG YET AGAIN.

[golfhobo]

The Supreme Court of Golf today allowed KC0iv to rest his case, and decided in favor of both him AND the Reverend Vassago.

Both were awarded two truckloads of uncrated nuclear infused ping pong balls.

Meanwhile, the defendant, one IronEagle, was remanded to 3rd grade English class, along with co-defendant Bigtimba, for the remainder of their natural lives.

It is the desire of this court that they apply themselves diligently to the study of the English language so that, in time, they might become productive members of society and the trucking industry.

It is further ordered that they cease and desist from ATTEMPTING to translate, report, recount or otherwise speak of FMCSA rulings until they have learned to comprehend basic English.

The court added that it did not please him to have to hand down such harsh justice, but that the sanity of the public at large, and the members of CAD specifically, was at stake.... and outweighed the defendants rights to walk the streets or prowl the internet.

The decision is final. The case is closed. God save Queen Cheney and his beyotch Dubya!! :wink:

[ironeagle_2006]

The Supreme Court of Golf today allowed KC0iv to rest his case, and decided in favor of both him AND the Reverend Vassago.

Both were awarded two truckloads of uncrated nuclear infused ping pong balls.

Meanwhile, the defendant, one IronEagle, was remanded to 3rd grade English class, along with co-defendant Bigtimba, for the remainder of their natural lives.

It is the desire of this court that they apply themselves diligently to the study of the English language so that, in time, they might become productive members of society and the trucking industry.

It is further ordered that they cease and desist from ATTEMPTING to translate, report, recount or otherwise speak of FMCSA rulings until they have learned to comprehend basic English.

The court added that it did not please him to have to hand down such harsh justice, but that the sanity of the public at large, and the members of CAD specifically, was at stake.... and outweighed the defendants rights to walk the streets or prowl the internet.

The decision is final. The case is closed. God save Queen Cheney and his beyotch Dubya!! :wink:

Just to think I was goin to Help youall against that pickle park crawler. Not anymore LOL

[Rev.Vassago]

Rev here is an article I copied from the Web on the case you CLAIM DID NOT EXSIST.

I wasn't aware that I claimed anything did not "exsist".

Perhaps you should read that articles you just copied and pasted.

Trucking Hours-of-Service Rules Overturned

Many things have changed in the motor carrier industry since 1939 when the original hours-of-service (HOS) regulations were prescribed for truck drivers. Our roads are better designed, constructed, and maintained in a nationwide network to provide greater mobility, accessibility, and safety for all highway users. Vehicles have been dramatically improved in terms of design, construction, safety, comfort, efficiency, emissions, technology, and ergonomics. These factors, combined with years of driver fatigue and sleep disorder research, led to a January 2004 revision of the HOS regulations for drivers, the most important component of trucks operating on the highway.

A July 16 court decision, however, has overturned the recent Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration's (FMCSA) hours-of-service rule. The rules allowed truckers to stay on the road for up to 11 straight hours, one more hour than they had been allowed. In addition, it required drivers to take at least 10 hours off between shifts, two more than before. According to the court ruling, “FMCSA failed to consider the impact of the rules on the health of drivers.” Teamsters General President, Jim Hoffa, claimed that the court’s decision to overturn the hours-of-service ruling was a victory for all truck drivers. “Working behind the wheel of a truck is hard, and our concern with this set of rules was that they would increase driver fatigue. We know fatigue creates danger on the highways.”

FMCSA has 45 days from the date of the court decision (July 16, 2004) to decide whether to seek other legal action. However, during that period the hours-of-service regulations put into place in January 2004 will remain in effect. We’ll continue to update you on this issue in future editions of Loss Control Insights.

Back to Insights Newsletter Fall 2004
Source is EMC Insurance

2004 is before 2005, the last time the regulations were altered.

And this one is for the FMCSA website

FMCSA 12-07
Tuesday, December 11, 2007
Contact: Melissa Mazzella DeLaney
Tel.: (202) 366-9999 or (202) 366-2309

FMCSA Announces Retention of Limits on Truck Driver Hours of Service

WASHINGTON – Truck drivers will continue to be limited to driving only 11 hours within a 14-hour duty period, after which they must go off duty for at least 10 hours under an Interim Final Rule (IFR) made public today by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA). The IFR was developed after new data showed that safety levels have been maintained since the 11-hour driving limit was first implemented in 2003.

“This proposal keeps in place hours-of-service limits that improve highway safety by ensuring that drivers are rested and ready to work,” FMCSA Administrator John H. Hill said. “The data makes clear that these rules continue to protect drivers, make our roads safer and keep our economy moving.”

The agency noted that, in 2006, the fatality rate per 100 million vehicle miles traveled was 1.94 – the lowest rate ever recorded. Similarly, since 2003, the percentage of large trucks involved in fatigue-related fatal crashes in the 11th hour of driving has remained below the average of the years 1991-2002. In 2005 alone, the agency noted, there was only one large truck involved in a fatigue-related fatal crash in the 11th hour of driving while in 2004 there were none.

In addition, between 2003, when the 11-hour driving limit and the 34-hour restart were adopted, and 2006, the percent of fatigue-related large truck crashes relative to all fatal large truck crashes has remained consistent. And the agency’s estimates show that only seven percent of large truck crashes are fatigue related.

Hill noted that the agency also is working to finalize a proposed rule that would require drivers and trucking companies with serious or repeat hours-of-service violations to track their hours of service using electronic on-board recorders.

The agency issued the new hours of service rule in response to the recent decision by the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals vacating key provisions of the existing hours of service rules effective on December 27. In order to ensure no gap in coverage of these important safety rules, today’s rule temporarily reinstates those two provisions while the agency gathers public comment on its actions and the underlying safety analysis before issuing a final rule.

So the first article is prior to the date of the last change, and the second article states very clearly that the HOS regs were retained. Do you need a dictionary to help you understand the word retained?

So REV YOU WERE WRONG YET AGAIN.

I'm waiting anxiously for you to tell me where exactly I am wrong.

[ironeagle_2006]

Tha is easy the REGS on HOS have changed so many times in the last couple years

Maybe in your fantasy world where your family is part of firing squads, advisers to Presidents, and ping pong balls are hauled unpackaged, but in the really real world, the regs haven't changed in three years.

and the current ones are ON THE WAY OUT do to a court challenge.

ROFLMAO

I gave you the case that OVERTURNED the regs

The Saftey Depts have no clue which ones the FMCSA is using at that time.

Yeah right. The only job these "saftey" (sic) departments have is to make sure their drivers are compliant. They know the regs, even if these drivers don't.

Also what you are driving on right now is ONLY AN INTERIM rule so that there is something to go by the FMCSA is getting public input on what the NEW HOS are going to be right now. BTW REV isn't this the ONLY sight you have yet to loose membership from.

[Rev.Vassago]

Also what you are driving on right now is ONLY AN INTERIM rule so that there is something to go by

Your point? The interim rule is identical to the previous rule, so there hasn't been any change in 3 years, which is exactly what I claimed.

the FMCSA is getting public input on what the NEW HOS are going to be right now.

The new HOS regs will be identical to the current HOS regs, which will be identical to the prior HOS regs.

BTW REV isn't this the ONLY sight you have yet to loose membership from.

I wasn't aware that I've ever "loosed" membership from any "sight".

[BigDiesel]

BTW REV isn't this the ONLY sight you have yet to loose membership from.

I wasn't aware that I've ever "loosed" membership from any "sight".

I hope you are not "loosing" your "sight" Rev.....

I think I will bring over some " pearls of wisdom " that ironimbecile_2006 has posted at the twuckers report...

[Rev.Vassago]

I think I will bring over some " pearls of wisdom " that ironimbecile_2006 has posted at the twuckers report...

My favorites are the ones where he brags about using drugs while he was a truck driver.

[Rat]

Ok I just got off the phone with one of the main DOT officials in the FMCSA office in North Dakota.


The 34 hour reset is not mandatory by any means unless you run out of hours on day 5 or day 6 were it would be quicker to do a 34 then it would be to wait till day 9 were you would get the hours back from day 1.

Now I have some ammo if I should get stopped by a dimwit DOT officer.

Also would like to note that if your truck has a transponder in it for crossing into canada. Be sure you flag your log book as this electronic transponder loggs you into the computer system which the DOT has the authority to go into on their computers that they have in their cars.

I forgot to get his name but it was either Jeff or Brian.


So remember that if you don't reset then you only have the hours from day 1 to work with. So if you only used 6 hours on day 1 then that is all you have to work with on day 9 unless you do a full 34 hour reset.

So the case is closed in my book.

[Rev.Vassago]

Ok I just got off the phone with one of the main DOT officials in the FMCSA office in North Dakota.


The 34 hour reset is not mandatory by any means unless you run out of hours on day 5 or day 6 were it would be quicker to do a 34 then it would be to wait till day 9 were you would get the hours back from day 1.

Now I have some ammo if I should get stopped by a dimwit DOT officer.

Also would like to note that if your truck has a transponder in it for crossing into canada. Be sure you flag your log book as this electronic transponder loggs you into the computer system which the DOT has the authority to go into on their computers that they have in their cars.

I forgot to get his name but it was either Jeff or Brian.


So remember that if you don't reset then you only have the hours from day 1 to work with. So if you only used 6 hours on day 1 then that is all you have to work with on day 9 unless you do a full 34 hour reset.

So the case is closed in my book.

The case was closed when I said that exact same thing several days ago.....

[Rat]

Maybe for you but not for me. One thing I have learned is that to only trust information about this stuff from an official.


I have been in around around the road for a couple years now and I get conflicting information all the time. One guy will tell you one thing and another will tell you another thing.

Just like the company drivers int he company I drive for.

We cross and international boarder every day and they seem to think we can get buy under the 100 or 150 mile exemption for HOS.

They say there is no need to note when you stopped at the boarder for anything also.

I was always getting crap from some of them because I was out of hours on friday and needed to wait till sunday before I could go back to work when they say it is impossible to run out of hours.

The FMCSA site is not very well thought out when it comes to things like this and split berth examples.

Now my next venture is bridging formula in laymans terms.

[Rev.Vassago]

Maybe for you but not for me. One thing I have learned is that to only trust information about this stuff from an official.

I'm all the official you'll ever need. As I've stated already, I know everything.

[Rat]

Ok smart arse, show me your official DOT badge then.

Unless you can show me some real evidence that you are an official when it comes to laws and rules from the FMCSA then you are about as dimwited as alot of drivers out there.

If you think that holding a steering wheels for any amount of time makes you an official to everything then I got a bridge for sale.

[golfhobo]

Rat said:

Maybe for you but not for me. One thing I have learned is that to only trust information about this stuff from an official.

Probably not a bad rule "in general." But, one thing "I" have learned is that Officials are only "average" people, and therefore..... will get you KILLED evey time!

I have been in around around the road for a couple years now and I get conflicting information all the time. One guy will tell you one thing and another will tell you another thing.

This happens right here on Trucker Central on occaision!! Luckily, there are a few of us who will set them straight, and will NOT lead you astray! The REV, as he is so quick to tell you, is "seldom" wrong. When he IS.... Rawlco and I are here to correct him!

Just like the company drivers in the company I drive for.

AND the majority of them out there! MOST of them learned from the SAME "coolie" carriers who don't have time, nor CARE, to get it right!

We cross an international border every day and they seem to think we can get by under the 100 or 150 mile exemption for HOS.

This is NOT something you want to screw up on!

They say there is no need to note when you stopped at the border for anything also.

I was always getting crap from some of them because I was out of hours on friday and needed to wait till sunday before I could go back to work when they say it is impossible to run out of hours.

The FMCSA site is not very well thought out when it comes to things like this and split berth examples.

THAT is why this site is HERE! The THREE best interpreters of the FMCSA rules.... AND the Rev..... are HERE to help you! :wink:

Now my next venture is bridging formula in laymans terms.

Oh Lord!! But, IF you insist..... will you NOW believe what some of us say?? Or do we have to compete with the misinformation you might receive when you call your buddies at the FMCSA, ask a high school graduated Trooper on the road, or take your advice from a fellow trucker at a company you have PROVEN doesn't understand the regs?

Just hang with US, Rat..... and you'll be okay! Don't be so harsh with the Rev! He means well.... and USUALLY is right! When he's NOT..... I'm here to keep him straight!

[Rev.Vassago]

Ok smart arse, show me your official DOT badge then.

Unless you can show me some real evidence that you are an official when it comes to laws and rules from the FMCSA then you are about as dimwited as alot of drivers out there.

The big difference is that I know and understand the regs, and as evidenced by this thread, many drivers don't. That would include you.

If you think that holding a steering wheels for any amount of time makes you an official to everything then I got a bridge for sale.

Holding a "steering wheels" sic has nothing to do with it. :wink:

[Rat]

If he comes off as a smart arse then he will be treated as such. And his remarks are of a smart arse know it all that can do no wrong.

Believe me, I know a bunch of them and this Rev know it all is acting lke one of them.

Now if he used a tad more respect in his posts then he would not be labled as such a smart arse.

But then this is the internet were everyone is big and tough and is always better then the other guy unless he is standing toe to toe with them behind the line up of supertruckers trucks at the local Pilot were all the loosers hang out.

[golfhobo]

Ok smart arse, show me your official DOT badge then.

Unless you can show me some real evidence that you are an official when it comes to laws and rules from the FMCSA then you are about as dimwited as alot of drivers out there.

If you think that holding a steering wheels for any amount of time makes you an official to everything then I got a bridge for sale.

Uh Oh.... I think I see a "Marshall's Badge" cartoon coming!!

"Show me your badge, Rev!"

Why?

"Because I want to know you're official."

Why?

"Because I want to believe you."

That makes NO sense!

[Rev.Vassago]

If he comes off as a smart arse then he will be treated as such. And his remarks are of a smart arse know it all that can do no wrong.

Believe me, I know a bunch of them and this Rev know it all is acting lke one of them.

Now if he used a tad more respect in his posts then he would not be labled as such a smart arse.

You assume that I acknowledge, or even care about, this "label" that you have put on me. Why would I care what you, an anonymous person on the internet, thinks of me?

But then this is the internet were everyone is big and tough and is always better then the other guy unless he is standing toe to toe with them behind the line up of supertruckers trucks at the local Pilot were all the loosers hang out.

I only hang out at the Flying J.

[Rat]

Just a note, The internet is a vast wonderland were peopel join forums to read and try and learn something or people just come in and read without even signing up.

This being said, The smart butt remarks that people tend to make are read by hundreds if not possibly thousands of people.

So if making smart butt remarks to show your imaturity to hundreds or thousands of people is your thing then so be it.


I quess a reply I might have made to someone that took some time to chat on the phone to get some information from the people that enforce the rules would have been alot different rather then takign a stab at the person to try and make them look like a complete fool or idiot.

But bravo to you and your approach in making yourself look like the know it all of the internet.

Oh and the hook would have been my very second guess as to were you hang out.

Are you the guy boasting about not having any Panties on? I bet you are and I bet it is true.