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Tanks Vito I owe ya one, he had me hook line & sinker
Member
He didn't "git" me: I had him pegged from the get-go! :wink: Sure, the "10 Meter" issue p---es me off, I won't deny that. What is being ignored is, tho, is that while *I* am the one who occasionally posts here about it, I am not the only one upset about it. There are discussions about it on other websites, particularly those devoted to amateur radio. There is a great divide on this issue amongst many licensed amateurs and those in the CB community. To the amateurs (often called "hams"), the lawless, unbridled, undisciplined CBers who often throw any thought of "rules" of behavior out the window are subjects of anger and derision, and it comes from this very penchant for ignoring any restrictions on their operations AND their not being hesitant at all to show up ON the licensed portions of the radio spectrum! To THEM, CB ops have "earned" this lack of respect and are often depicted as country bumpkins who smell bad and live in trailer parks. They also drive 'beat up old "Pony-acks" with twin "whups" and have roaches running out the wazoo!!! The hams also mock CBers general ignorance of electronics and make fun of their "SWR'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" and coax length theories (all fallacies) as well as the prevalent southern hick accents and CB phrases and "cutesy" CB sayings.OTH, the CBers make fun of hams as being "elitists", clannish, and snobby.
Dems just de facts!!!!!! The so-called "10 Meter 'amateur' radios" are against the law to use ON CB---PERIOD-----and against the law to use on ANY other band without the proper license or authority. MOST CB ops and truckers don't operate outside the 40 channels, and these aren't the people the licensed people resent; it's the OUTLAW CBer, the one that thinks he has to be (or THINKS he is because he has hold of a microphone) that tries to be the BIGGEST, BADDEST, loudest "reddio" station in 4 states. Actually, these guys end up being loud, their "leenyar" is strong............BUT! They are so distorted, over-driven, over-modulated that one can barely understand them! That, too, gets mocked by the hams that call them "chicken banders", which is a VERY derogatory term for these fellas. It will, likely, be applied to such outlaws who not only tread where they have no business, but also think it is FUNNY that it aggravates the legal guys.
But the old Fox Candy Company moves slowly, and not soon enough for those of us who EARNED our radio privileges instead of just stealing them from others. Part of the fault is that we are in a LOW propagation cycle (which translates to a CBer as "skip") that will begin to
rise, beginning a new 11 year upswing. This means that 10 Meters, along with the CB band, will begin to support long distance communications once again. During the lull of the last few years, of course, there have been more of the illegal "10 Meter" radios sold with an increase of users who have no idea they can't be talking on that band. After all, to them it is "quiet", and, thus, OK for them to use. But the hams will begin to hear THEM more, too. This will result in more and more complaints thru the Amateur Radio Relay League and more complaints to FCC. While there are some proposals on the table (including an outright BAN on the illegal "CB" radios), it won't gather steam until this occurs. (The current reduced numbers of truckers being HEARD by local hams as truckers pass thru their area= a kind of out-of-sight-out-of-mind mentality)----this will increase as they are heard by distant ham stations. As the drivers being to hear these distant stations, they, too, will become tempted to talk "skip"----which will afford more opportunities for the hams to observe them as they pass thru. All this increased traffic will add fuel to the fire to finally DO something against the trucking industry in the form of this BAN on so-called "10 Meter" radios in commercial trucks. This is actually the most logical step since it is the trucking industry that has been in the vanguard of operators transmitting illegally outside the CB band. It will come to a head at some point and the Fed WILL say, "Enough is ENOUGH" and it will not continue to be tolerated!
When will it happen? Can't say. I just know what's been told to me, and that there are people in the ham LEGAL community and the FCC itself that are trying to take steps against this criminal activity---and it IS a criminal activity since using a radio outside one's authority is against the law. It it, to me, taking WAY longer that I think it should, but I believe that things WILL be done to stop it because this activity will not stop at 10 Meters. They will move down into 12 and 15 meters, and the bootleg dealers will provide the equipment if ignored.
For some, it's "funny". For others, they think they have a "right". Others would like to see the illegal radios snatched OUT of trucks and set afire right before the owner's very eyes!
The solution for the driver is to simply stay OFF the 10 Meter (28 MHZ) band and the 12 meter band (24 MHZ). There is risk that YOU might be the one that gets caught. If they DO "gitcha", is it worth it should they issue a FINE to your company? I bet it wouldn't be!
RR
Senior Board Member
I KNEW YOU WERE HUMAN!!Pitch me in A flat, please.........AH---HEEEEM! HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! Intro, Maestro, if you please!
Troll, troll, troll yer boat
Gently down the stream!
Merrily, merrily he MUST be bored,
Life is but a dream!
That troll smells, he needs a bath, and this dog's staying under the porch! :wink:
RR
Senior Board Member
He didn't "git" me: I had him pegged from the get-go! :wink: Sure, the "10 Meter" issue p---es me off, I won't deny that. What is being ignored is, tho, is that while *I* am the one who occasionally posts here about it, I am not the only one upset about it. There are discussions about it on other websites, particularly those devoted to amateur radio. There is a great divide on this issue amongst many licensed amateurs and those in the CB community. To the amateurs (often called "hams"), the lawless, unbridled, undisciplined CBers who often throw any thought of "rules" of behavior out the window are subjects of anger and derision, and it comes from this very penchant for ignoring any restrictions on their operations AND their not being hesitant at all to show up ON the licensed portions of the radio spectrum! To THEM, CB ops have "earned" this lack of respect and are often depicted as country bumpkins who smell bad and live in trailer parks. They also drive 'beat up old "Pony-acks" with twin "whups" and have roaches running out the wazoo!!! The hams also mock CBers general ignorance of electronics and make fun of their "SWR'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" and coax length theories (all fallacies) as well as the prevalent southern hick accents and CB phrases and "cutesy" CB sayings.
But the old Fox Candy Company moves slowly, and not soon enough for those of us who EARNED our radio privileges instead of just stealing them from others. Part of the fault is that we are in a LOW propagation cycle (which translates to a CBer as "skip") that will begin to
rise, beginning a new 11 year upswing. This means that 10 Meters, along with the CB band, will begin to support long distance communications once again. During the lull of the last few years, of course, there have been more of the illegal "10 Meter" radios sold with an increase of users who have no idea they can't be talking on that band. After all, to them it is "quiet", and, thus, OK for them to use. But the hams will begin to hear THEM more, too. This will result in more and more complaints thru the Amateur Radio Relay League and more complaints to FCC. While there are some proposals on the table (including an outright BAN on the illegal "CB" radios), it won't gather steam until this occurs. (The current reduced numbers of truckers being HEARD by local hams as truckers pass thru their area= a kind of out-of-sight-out-of-mind mentality)----this will increase as they are heard by distant ham stations. As the drivers being to hear these distant stations, they, too, will become tempted to talk "skip"----which will afford more opportunities for the hams to observe them as they pass thru. All this increased traffic will add fuel to the fire to finally DO something against the trucking industry in the form of this BAN on so-called "10 Meter" radios in commercial trucks. This is actually the most logical step since it is the trucking industry that has been in the vanguard of operators transmitting illegally outside the CB band. It will come to a head at some point and the Fed WILL say, "Enough is ENOUGH" and it will not continue to be tolerated!
When will it happen? Can't say. I just know what's been told to me, and that there are people in the ham LEGAL community and the FCC itself that are trying to take steps against this criminal activity---and it IS a criminal activity since using a radio outside one's authority is against the law. It it, to me, taking WAY longer that I think it should, but I believe that things WILL be done to stop it because this activity will not stop at 10 Meters. They will move down into 12 and 15 meters, and the bootleg dealers will provide the equipment if ignored.
For some, it's "funny". For others, they think they have a "right". Others would like to see the illegal radios snatched OUT of trucks and set afire right before the owner's very eyes!
The solution for the driver is to simply stay OFF the 10 Meter (28 MHZ) band and the 12 meter band (24 MHZ). There is risk that YOU might be the one that gets caught. If they DO "gitcha", is it worth it should they issue a FINE to your company? I bet it wouldn't be!
RR
how about channel 6/78?
Member
how about channel 6/78? (quote)
?????????????????????????? What is THAT?
RR
Board Regular
how about channel 6/78? (quote)
?????????????????????????? What is THAT?
RR
RR,
I purchased the technician manual and take my test next week.
So, Ill be justa hollering far yee thar Rayayayayay. Beep. :P
And It's all your fault. Over.
Board Regular
do you know why nothing is being done? Because no one cares. other than the "hams" sitting around talking on the radio.He didn't "git" me: I had him pegged from the get-go! :wink: Sure, the "10 Meter" issue p---es me off, I won't deny that. What is being ignored is, tho, is that while *I* am the one who occasionally posts here about it, I am not the only one upset about it. There are discussions about it on other websites, particularly those devoted to amateur radio. There is a great divide on this issue amongst many licensed amateurs and those in the CB community. To the amateurs (often called "hams"), the lawless, unbridled, undisciplined CBers who often throw any thought of "rules" of behavior out the window are subjects of anger and derision, and it comes from this very penchant for ignoring any restrictions on their operations AND their not being hesitant at all to show up ON the licensed portions of the radio spectrum! To THEM, CB ops have "earned" this lack of respect and are often depicted as country bumpkins who smell bad and live in trailer parks. They also drive 'beat up old "Pony-acks" with twin "whups" and have roaches running out the wazoo!!! The hams also mock CBers general ignorance of electronics and make fun of their "SWR'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" and coax length theories (all fallacies) as well as the prevalent southern hick accents and CB phrases and "cutesy" CB sayings.
But the old Fox Candy Company moves slowly, and not soon enough for those of us who EARNED our radio privileges instead of just stealing them from others. Part of the fault is that we are in a LOW propagation cycle (which translates to a CBer as "skip") that will begin to
rise, beginning a new 11 year upswing. This means that 10 Meters, along with the CB band, will begin to support long distance communications once again. During the lull of the last few years, of course, there have been more of the illegal "10 Meter" radios sold with an increase of users who have no idea they can't be talking on that band. After all, to them it is "quiet", and, thus, OK for them to use. But the hams will begin to hear THEM more, too. This will result in more and more complaints thru the Amateur Radio Relay League and more complaints to FCC. While there are some proposals on the table (including an outright BAN on the illegal "CB" radios), it won't gather steam until this occurs. (The current reduced numbers of truckers being HEARD by local hams as truckers pass thru their area= a kind of out-of-sight-out-of-mind mentality)----this will increase as they are heard by distant ham stations. As the drivers being to hear these distant stations, they, too, will become tempted to talk "skip"----which will afford more opportunities for the hams to observe them as they pass thru. All this increased traffic will add fuel to the fire to finally DO something against the trucking industry in the form of this BAN on so-called "10 Meter" radios in commercial trucks. This is actually the most logical step since it is the trucking industry that has been in the vanguard of operators transmitting illegally outside the CB band. It will come to a head at some point and the Fed WILL say, "Enough is ENOUGH" and it will not continue to be tolerated!
When will it happen? Can't say. I just know what's been told to me, and that there are people in the ham LEGAL community and the FCC itself that are trying to take steps against this criminal activity---and it IS a criminal activity since using a radio outside one's authority is against the law. It it, to me, taking WAY longer that I think it should, but I believe that things WILL be done to stop it because this activity will not stop at 10 Meters. They will move down into 12 and 15 meters, and the bootleg dealers will provide the equipment if ignored.
For some, it's "funny". For others, they think they have a "right". Others would like to see the illegal radios snatched OUT of trucks and set afire right before the owner's very eyes!
The solution for the driver is to simply stay OFF the 10 Meter (28 MHZ) band and the 12 meter band (24 MHZ). There is risk that YOU might be the one that gets caught. If they DO "gitcha", is it worth it should they issue a FINE to your company? I bet it wouldn't be!
RR
I mean honestly with the advances in communication it still blows my mind that there are guys still sitting around in their basement trying to talk to people on the radio. pick up a phone. the transmission is a lot better and you don't have to deal with the illegals!!!
as for the fcc doing anything about it, I doubt it. with budget cuts and far more pressing issues than people talking on a radio freq that only hobbiest use. I mean come we have people illegally down loading music and movies and stealing cable. Have you seen the fines for stealing cable?
you can make all the laws and fines you want but if you cut the funding and the resources to enforce it then it really doesn't matter does it?
work harder, millions on welfare are counting on you !
Board Regular
Isn't Arson a Felony? And just a little more serious than someone using a 10 meter?do you know why nothing is being done? Because no one cares. other than the "hams" sitting around talking on the radio.He didn't "git" me: I had him pegged from the get-go! :wink: Sure, the "10 Meter" issue p---es me off, I won't deny that. What is being ignored is, tho, is that while *I* am the one who occasionally posts here about it, I am not the only one upset about it. There are discussions about it on other websites, particularly those devoted to amateur radio. There is a great divide on this issue amongst many licensed amateurs and those in the CB community. To the amateurs (often called "hams"), the lawless, unbridled, undisciplined CBers who often throw any thought of "rules" of behavior out the window are subjects of anger and derision, and it comes from this very penchant for ignoring any restrictions on their operations AND their not being hesitant at all to show up ON the licensed portions of the radio spectrum! To THEM, CB ops have "earned" this lack of respect and are often depicted as country bumpkins who smell bad and live in trailer parks. They also drive 'beat up old "Pony-acks" with twin "whups" and have roaches running out the wazoo!!! The hams also mock CBers general ignorance of electronics and make fun of their "SWR'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" and coax length theories (all fallacies) as well as the prevalent southern hick accents and CB phrases and "cutesy" CB sayings.
But the old Fox Candy Company moves slowly, and not soon enough for those of us who EARNED our radio privileges instead of just stealing them from others. Part of the fault is that we are in a LOW propagation cycle (which translates to a CBer as "skip") that will begin to
rise, beginning a new 11 year upswing. This means that 10 Meters, along with the CB band, will begin to support long distance communications once again. During the lull of the last few years, of course, there have been more of the illegal "10 Meter" radios sold with an increase of users who have no idea they can't be talking on that band. After all, to them it is "quiet", and, thus, OK for them to use. But the hams will begin to hear THEM more, too. This will result in more and more complaints thru the Amateur Radio Relay League and more complaints to FCC. While there are some proposals on the table (including an outright BAN on the illegal "CB" radios), it won't gather steam until this occurs. (The current reduced numbers of truckers being HEARD by local hams as truckers pass thru their area= a kind of out-of-sight-out-of-mind mentality)----this will increase as they are heard by distant ham stations. As the drivers being to hear these distant stations, they, too, will become tempted to talk "skip"----which will afford more opportunities for the hams to observe them as they pass thru. All this increased traffic will add fuel to the fire to finally DO something against the trucking industry in the form of this BAN on so-called "10 Meter" radios in commercial trucks. This is actually the most logical step since it is the trucking industry that has been in the vanguard of operators transmitting illegally outside the CB band. It will come to a head at some point and the Fed WILL say, "Enough is ENOUGH" and it will not continue to be tolerated!
When will it happen? Can't say. I just know what's been told to me, and that there are people in the ham LEGAL community and the FCC itself that are trying to take steps against this criminal activity---and it IS a criminal activity since using a radio outside one's authority is against the law. It it, to me, taking WAY longer that I think it should, but I believe that things WILL be done to stop it because this activity will not stop at 10 Meters. They will move down into 12 and 15 meters, and the bootleg dealers will provide the equipment if ignored.
For some, it's "funny". For others, they think they have a "right". Others would like to see the illegal radios snatched OUT of trucks and set afire right before the owner's very eyes!
The solution for the driver is to simply stay OFF the 10 Meter (28 MHZ) band and the 12 meter band (24 MHZ). There is risk that YOU might be the one that gets caught. If they DO "gitcha", is it worth it should they issue a FINE to your company? I bet it wouldn't be!
RR
I mean honestly with the advances in communication it still blows my mind that there are guys still sitting around in their basement trying to talk to people on the radio. pick up a phone. the transmission is a lot better and you don't have to deal with the illegals!!!
as for the fcc doing anything about it, I doubt it. with budget cuts and far more pressing issues than people talking on a radio freq that only hobbiest use. I mean come we have people illegally down loading music and movies and stealing cable. Have you seen the fines for stealing cable?
you can make all the laws and fines you want but if you cut the funding and the resources to enforce it then it really doesn't matter does it?
Board Regular
"It's time to abolish the Federal Communications Commission.
The reason is simple. The venerable FCC, created in 1934, is no longer necessary.
Its justification for existence was weak 70 years ago, but advances in technology since then have eliminated whatever arguments remained. Central planning didn't work for the Soviet Union, and it's not working for us. The FCC is now an agency that does more harm than good.
Consider some examples of bureaucratic malfeasance that the FCC, with the complicity of the U.S. Congress, has committed. The FCC rejected long-distance telephone service competition in 1968, banned Americans from buying their own non-Bell telephones in 1956, dragged its feet in the 1970s when considering whether video telephones would be allowed and did not grant modern cellular telephone licenses until 1981--about four decades after Bell Labs invented the technology. Along the way, the FCC has preserved monopolistic practices that would have otherwise been illegal under antitrust law.
These technologically backward decisions have cost Americans tens of billions of dollars. "
"Abolishing the FCC does not mean airwave anarchy.
If the FCC had been in charge of overseeing the Internet, we'd likely be waiting for the Mosaic Web browser to receive preliminary approval from the Wireline Competition Bureau.
What it means is returning to bottom-up law rather than the top-down process that has characterized telecommunications for the last 80 years.
How to do it...
In his excellent 1997 book "Law and Disorder in Cyberspace," Manhattan Institute fellow Peter Huber describes how the privatization process could work. Huber proposes that the government sell off standard units of spectrum--10kHz for AM radio, 6MHz for television, 25MHz for cellular, 40MHz for PCS--using existing geographical contours for each type of frequency.
"Once the standard parcels are defined, they can be sold to the highest bidders," Huber writes. "To keep for how long? Forever. Just like land." If just one UHF (ultrahigh frequency) television station in Los Angeles were permitted to transfer its spectrum to a third cellular provider, Huber estimates, "the overall public gain would be about $1 billion, or so the government itself estimated in 1992." Wireless technologies would be huge winners, if the spectrum were privatized.
What if disputes over spectrum arose? The answer is simple. Whoever owned the rights to that slice of virtual real estate would locate the illicit broadcaster, march into the local courthouse and get a restraining order to pull the plug on the transmitter. Trespass is hardly a new idea, and courts are well-equipped to deal with it. "
"Beyond the economic cost of missed opportunities caused by regulation, it would also immediately save taxpayers $300 million a year."
http://www.news.com/2010-1028-5226979.html
I think the fcc has far more to deal with on its plate than a bunch of people playing on an outdated form of communication!
work harder, millions on welfare are counting on you !
Board Regular
got mud ? 2
radio ray 0
Board Regular
Headhunting, Legal Plans...What's next..online Flowers and Travel links?
CAD is missing the boat here and should charge you a fee to advertise.
Member
All that is well and good-----when it comes to short-ranged communications. These affected technologies depend on VHF and UHF where there is little or no effect from atmospherics. We are, in the case of CB and amateur radio, talking about frequencies that have the potential to interfere with other countries on HF. There are also TREATIES that most of us don't even know about that have to be taken into consideration when it comes to regulating HF communications. For one thing, it is one of the reasons for CB rules that prohibit intentional "skip" talking. Yet CBers do it like a religious rite, ignoring the rules against it. Often the excuse/argument is that "I can't help that it skips, so I might as well take advantage of it". It creates interference to legitimate stations. Just because you HEAR it, it does not mean you HAVE to WORK it. Those treaties are one of the reasons that there has been no "privatizing" of radio spectrum, AND because it would have little affect on High Frequency radio.
As for "outdated" communications, it is a rather ignorant point of view considering that the target of such resentment (amateur radio) is the basis for MOST radio technology we have today. It goes back to Marconi when the first transatlantic radio message was sent. It sure as h--- wasn't done via the chicken band, boys! In fact, the very CB band so ardently cherished by its supporters and truckers was created out of-----TA DA!
..........The amateur radio service's 11 Meter band. Why? Because at the time it was the least invasive and most technologically feasible solution. Want to talk about "outdated"? NOTHING MORE STUCK IN 1958 THAN YOUR BELOVED CHICKEN BAND. In 40 YEARS, CB radio has received a total of 17 more "channels" and the ability to use Single Sideband. The radios look basically the SAME as they did in 1958. With the exception of remote microphone buttons, rebel flags, and chrome faces, WHOOP- TEE-DOO. NUTTIN', NADA, ZILCH, NICHTS, NEIN!
Amateur radio has MILLIONS of frequencies and is often being awarded MORE (such as the 60 Meter band which is around 5 MHZ. So why did they do that? Because it is a SHARED band with Federal Emergency Management and will be used as a coordinated HF band in time of emergency (like 9/11). It is also serves as a "bridge" between 3.5 MHZ and 7 MHZ when something called "MUF" is low (has to do with the mechanics of propogation that is studied AND respected by the authorities because of the hams' study of it. Hey, there's a LOT more to using High Frequency radio than an appliance operator can grasp :wink: ). Because conscientious hams study and advance their craft beyond (crank up them thar watts and 'f'ar in th' w'ar thar!) that of the archaic CB band, their training is USED by the Feds both on the state and Federal level in time of disaster. They even receive FUNDING for equipment and disaster operations from FEMA in recognition of their abilities.
Then there's the equipment that makes them thar CB reddios look really quaint! CB radios have "channels" that are pre-selected and are MEANT to be used as built at the factory. Amateur radios have "memories" that, in recognition of hams' acquired knowledge of electronics, allow the ham to select his OWN frequencies and place them into a desired memory slot for quick recall. Often there are over 100 memory slots as opposed to the 40 channels of a CB. Sure, you might have 8 "bands" of "channels", but don't forget: they are illegal because we are not supposed to be ON those frequencies to begin with & because they belong to somebody ELSE! You're just foolin' yerself thinking you got all them thar channels. Get caught, and you're toast!
Does your CB radio get in the way in your pickup truck? Nowhere to PUT it? The typical mobile amateur radio covers from 1.8 to 30 MHZ in 8 REAL, legal bands. It covers 50. 144, and 440 MHZ. It is a General Coverage receiver, an aircraft receiver and a scanner. It transmits from 100 to 200 watts (on average without a "leenyar').It transmits ALL modes from AM to SSB, to CW (morse code) to FM. It can be about the SAME size of that oh-so-wonderful CB radio some of us are sooooo crazy about AND..........................remember trying to find a place to put that chicken band radio?
So if we are trying to say that amateur radio is somehow "obsolete", we are WAY off the mark because it is STILL a proven resource for emergency communications and still remains a bastion for the tinkerer and inventor of things electronic! OTH, if any so-called "hobby" radio should be eliminated, it would be the archaic, outdated, and stuck-in-1958 technology of CB radio with its noise toys, illegal operation, interference to licensed services, and Model T radios with chrome faces that beep and squeak and talk with distorted audio! To a REAL communications quasi-professional, CB radio is a boring, annoying boorish toy!
Amateur Radio is a worldwide avocation. It's not going anywhere anytime soon.
I can understand the previous post since it comes from the standpoint of an appliance operator who has never really had any training nor any exposure to radio in a professional way, or even hobby use on a higher plane. One can't possibly understand why things are the way they are when they only have the knowledge that comes from purchasing a CB and just using it like a toaster: you push the button and VOILA! It comes on! There is FAR more to radio than an 11 Meter CB radio.
RR
Board Regular
I don't even use the cb radio hardly. once again RR you avoided the point and tried to hide the true argument at hand behind trivial dribble.
I understand that the Ham radio is the reason we have so many technological advances. just like the horse and buggy is the reason we have cars but you don't see horse and buggy drivers coming on here and telling "drivers" to get off the roads blah blah!
I respect that you have a hobby (obsession?) but really the question at hand is why doesn't the FCC just shut down the Illegals and come to the rescue of the "hams". the answer they can't shut them down and they really could care less.
your disillusioned dream of one day the Great and powerful FCC will come and rescue you and clean up your coveted frequencies is just that, a dream!
since you raised the point of 9/ll, how exactly did the "ham" operators help out and why has there been no documented reports of such help? do you have any cut and pasts to share that supports your claim?
my point is your a dying breed and your mission, while noble is futile. before to long people will be talking on your frequencies as freely as they please.
so general Custer if you feel the need to continue your fight by all means please do, just don't expect to win your fight!
work harder, millions on welfare are counting on you !
Member
Can you not GOOGLE it for yourself? It's ALL OVER THE INTERNET AS A DOCUMENTED FACT!
Here's just a few instances:
http://thequackshack.com/forums/radi...7e554be62d643a
ID=2725
Validation Key: 71874a35b19d15f12b7e554be62d643a
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur...communications
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/12/28/100/?nc=1
www.hamradio-dv.org/p25/apco-arrl-memoranda.pdf
www.almondtree.com/ARES/ARCmou.htm -
http://www.wa8mac.net/Newsletters/Ma...May%202005.pdf
The Aiken County, South Carolina, Office of Emergency Management has received a
$100,000 grant to fund a new Amateur Radio Emergency Service ARES) trailer. The
US Department of Homeland Security grant was distributed via the South Carolina
Law Enforcement Division's Office of Homeland Security Grants Administration. The
project will provide a state-of-the-art communications vehicle for ARES members
to assist served agencies. ARRL South Carolina Section Manager Jim Boehner, N2ZZ,
says the project was the brainchild of several radio amateurs, including ARRL
members and Section leadership.
"Bob Besley, K4NJN, wrote the grant after participating in a statewide homeland
security drill in August 2004 and seeing a need for amateurs to have equipment
that becomes useful in the event of a large-scale disaster," he said. "This
trailer is exclusively for Amateur Radio."
The grant will enable the purchase of a new 28-foot air-conditioned communica-
tions trailer loaded with HF, VHF and UHF radio gear as well as packet capabil-
ity, GPS, wireless Internet, live National Weather Service reports, satellite TV
and more. Boehner and Besley believe the grant marks the first time the Depart-
ment of Homeland Security has provided funding of this magnitude for an Amateur
Radio communications facility.
"A portable 2-meter repeater has been secured and will be available to provide
on-scene communications as needed," Boehner said. In addition, the vehicle will
be equipped with Winlink 2000 to enable Internet and e-mail via HF. The State
Emergency Operations Center also will have Winlink 2000 capability.
Complementing the onboard TV facilities will be an innovative 3x4-foot two-way
projection screen at the rear of the vehicle. It will not only be viewable inside
from the six-person conference table but from outside to aid in group briefings
and video presentations. Separate 17-inch LCD screens throughout the unit will
have VCR/DVD capability.
Powering the unit will be a 10 kW generator with an onboard diesel tank to allow
continuous operation for more than 24 hours before refueling. A 30-foot mast con-
trollable from inside the trailer will provide antenna support.
Satellite communication, including high-speed Internet connections, will be via
an automatic roof-mounted dish antenna. A local area computer network and router
will complement several laptops at work stations.
While the trailer will primarily be deployed within Aiken County, emergency offi-
cials in neighboring counties may request its use as needed. "It is intended to
be a resource for the South Carolina Section, upon request of the respective
county or state Emergency Management Department and the District Emergency Coor-
dinator in that area," Boehner said.
The trailer is now on order and set for delivery in early July, although Boehner
says it could arrive in time for ARRL Field Day June 25-26. Local radio amateurs
plan to cover the costs of the van's upkeep through swapfests and other fundrais-
ers.
HOMELAND SECURITY GRANT FUNDS ARES TRAILER
IN SOUTH CAROLINA
ARRL Special E-Newsletter
TOPOFF 3—continued from page 3.
Connecticut's phase of TOPOFF 3 began April 4 with a bang--an explosion in New London meant to simulate a terrorist
attack. "Loud enough that the organizers passed out earplugs for the media gathered on the bluffs above,"
recounted ARRL Media and Public Relations Manager Allen Pitts, W1AGP--a former Connecticut Section Emergency
Coordinator and current ARES member.
Visual realism was very much a part of the $16 million exercise, and prospective ARES volunteers were cautioned in ad-
vance. "As the mushroom cloud of smoke drifted away," Pitts said, describing the explosion's immediate aftermath,
"hundreds of gory victims processed into the site to assume positions of death and agony." Pitts says Amateur Radio's real
work only began in earnest after the media also drifted away, once the smoke and simulated blood were gone.
After ARES stood down from the drill late on April 6, ARRL Connecticut Section Manager Betsey Doane, K1EIC, and
SEC Chuck Rexroad, AB1CR, said they felt Amateur Radio acquitted itself very well during the drill.
"The energy, enthusiasm and absolute dedication of all the volunteers for this event are a testament to the real dedication
and teamwork in the Connecticut Section," Doane said in a statement thanking all who took part.
Rexroad agreed. "It's just been amazing," he said. "People came into this drill prepared and ready to stay. It was a very
positive experience."
Under the National Disaster Plan, the Red Cross has primary responsibility for mass care. ARES provided communication
among all of the Red Cross emergency response vehicles (ERVs), mobile canteens, kitchen, headquarters and other sites
the organization needed stay in touch with.
In all, as many as 40 of the 150 ARES volunteers from Connecticut and other states in the Northeast were deployed to the
field at any given time, and everyone got to take part at some point. "Everybody had a job to do,"
Rexroad said. "Everyone had at least one shift when they were able to get on the radio and provide communications sup-
port."
Doane also credited the ARRL Amateur Radio Emergency Communications courses and other training with raising the
overall level of operating skill--even among newer operators.
"There were a few new people that were assigned to be observers, and before the end of the drill ended up trained well
enough to be an operator on an ERV," she said. "I have to tell you, I was impressed."
TOPOFF 3 required participants to be ready for unexpected events, and the ARES operation was no exception. "The only
big curveball we got thrown was when one of the judges decided they were going to take one of our repeaters down,"
Rexroad explained. Connecticut ARES was able to promptly switch to a backup. Ironically, a genuine repeater breakdown
occurred just before the exercise got under way.
Rexroad and Doane agreed that TOPOFF 3 not only was a success but a helpful learning experience for ARES. "We
learned a fair number of lessons, and most of them were organizational, not technical, in nature," Rexroad remarked.
Rexroad says Connecticut ARES also prepared to assist the Connecticut Office of Emergency Management and actually
activated several of its stations to show the state officials that it had the back-up coverage in case they needed it.
A bioterrorism incident was the scenario in New Jersey--the only other TOPOFF 3 site. Emergency officials there not
only were key to the exercise, they had real problems owing to flooding in the northern part of the state.
ARES teams in New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania participated in the flood emergency response and relief effort.
Brian Fernandez, K1BRF, a Connecticut Assistant SM and ARES liaison to the Red Cross said Amateur Radio's perform-
ance in TOPOFF 3 did not go unnoticed within the Department of Homeland Security. "Amateur Radio made a major
contribution to the nation," he said, "and those who contribute to making it safer and stronger and folks in the right places
know it."
Go google the info for yourself: it's no secret! And your typical chicken band bull---- about "dying" hobby is just that: BS from those who have no idea about what they are talking about. In 1959, there were about 600,000 hams. In 2008 there are still about 600,000 hams. So there's no danger of amateur radio "dying off" anytime soon.
AS for FCC not caring, actually they DO. It is CONGRESS that has no idea of what needs to be done. FCC is under-funded. Within the agency, MANY of the technical and LEGAL people ARE hams--such as the Special Counsel for Amateur Enforcement. A LOT of actions have been filed in the last few years against truckers and CBers and some pretty hefty fines of up to $10,000 each. Pilot Travel Centers paid $90,000 to settle a notice of liability for selling the illegal radios. Again, it's all over the internet IF one knows how to find it. Just because YOU don't know what's what doesn't make it true. *I* can pronounce that the sky has fallen, but it doesn't make it true. I can't help it people make false and inaccurate statements when they actually don't know the facts! Just last week, a shop in Colorado was FINED $7,000 for selling the illegal "10 meter" radios. Hardly a matter of "they don't care". Go READ it on Google; it's all there!
By the way, I couldn't find ONE instance of a grant to them thar CB reddio outlaws fer dem leenyars so they could git on them reddios an pass that d'ere eeeee-mer-gen-cee traffic thar fer them FEMA fellers thar, tan fer, thar mercy sakes 'live thar, ah know whucha mean thar, bre'k, bre'k thar! HA!
RR
Board Regular
once again RR I asked you for documented proof of how the "hams" actually helped out on 9/11 you failed to prove your point! you instead pasted some thing that pertains to something that happened after the fact. that does not support your original claim!
you also had to bring up your detest of the cb radio how does that help your claim of the fcc will come to your rescue?
your numbers prove that there has been NO growth in the "ham" usage in 40 plus years? not really a good argument that the FCC should concern themselves with it.
the FCC is under funded because NO ONE CARES!!! THAT IS THE POINT!!! if people cared and the fcc could convince them then they would get the funding they need.
someone once told me not to argue with ignorance because they will just drag you to there level an beat you with experience! i'm finally starting to understand what that means
work harder, millions on welfare are counting on you !
Senior Board Member
Okay, you want to see what trained Amateur radio operators did to help after 9/11 - read here: http://hometown.aol.com/realhamradio/
But then again, you are probably just looking to argue with RR, and probably will not take the time. This mans story and many others like it are well documented. There have been about a 1/2 dozen Hams die since 9/11 from that dust!
Katrina, 2 Amateur radio operators that were truck drivers, were the first to get accurate information out of New Orleans after the Hurricane went through. Hundreds or Amateur Operators took part in communication and clean up efforts throughout the Gulf Coast after hurricanes Katrina and Rita.
Greensburg, KS - Amateur radio was the only communication out of there for several days, until the Red Cross and FEMA managed to get the portable cell towers on line.
Just last month, after a series of Tornadoes in Georgia, first responders were made of Amateur Radio operators. Do not spout off at the mouth like many of the truck CB Rambo's that your hear with nothing better to do at the truckstops.
As for the FCC and CB enforcement! The FCC passed the ability for states to enforce the laws regulating Citizen Band radios on to the states and local entities! Below is a cut and paste of the e-mail I received from the FCC on the subject:
You are receiving this email in response to your inquiry to the FCC.
During his term of office, President Clinton signed legislation that permits the enforcement of certain CB Radio regulations by state and local authorities. This is now known as PL 106-521. The law authorizes state and localities to enact ordinances prohibiting the use of unauthorized CB equipment - consistent with FCC rules. This includes the use of high-power linear amplifiers or equipment that is not FCC-certified.
The Communications Act of 1934, as amended, Sec. 302(f)(1) [excerpt] . . . "a State or local government MAY ENACT A STATUTE OR ORDINANCE that prohibits a violation of the following regulations of the Commission under this section: ''(A) A regulation that prohibits a use of citizens band radio equipment not authorized by the Commission. '' (B) A regulation that prohibits the unauthorized operation of citizens band radio equipment on a frequency between 24 MHz and 35 MHz." [47 U.S.C. 302a]
I know first hand, that Pennsylvania DOT does use this law! When I was running that part of the country, I witnessed them doing the inspections and confiscating the equipment.
Houston, TX - right now, as we chat hear, there are 2 enforcement teams tracking several individuals that are not only operating on 11 meters (Citizen Band), but there actions are interferring with Public Service and Emergency communications. One has even been recorded bleeding over on a satellite broadcast to the other side of the world.
An organization I am a member of, has been asked to be on a board of consultants, regarding possible enforcement actions through a State of Texas entity.
So obviously, someone does give a S&^%! And is starting to go after the heavy hitters, and may start coming after the casual users, like us truck drivers that choose to run down the road with those good old Texas Stars and Palomars displayed proudly on the dash like a trophy.
You guys love beating up on RadioRay, but this is a real situation. Amateurs do provide a real and beneficial public service, and many Amateurs were, some still are, CB'ers. And many of your fellow truckers are licensed Amateurs.
As far as growth, in Amateur Radio, you can find the real numbers at www.arrl.org or the www.fcc.gov, if you are willing to do the research, but again, and doubt that you will!
All the states are looking at ways to generate revenue, and some have started really looking into the radio enforcement. And with the level of fines they could generate, hmm, like taking candy from a baby for some state officials.
But then again, .............
Don't cry foul that you did not know they could do that! And DO NOT knock those that take the time to learn, become licensed and enjoy a really fun and valuable hobby! Had it not been for the work of Amateur radio many years ago (long before your were born), you would not even have the CB's to spout of the ignorance, apethy and stupidity we here everyday on channel 19.
Have a great day!
"I discover the principles that work and work them,
I am forever learning new principles that interaccomodate with what I already know, to the betterment of my life and my world.
As principles are revealed to me, I cheerfully record them, use them, and share them.
Principles are, without question, the fastest way to what I want."
Author Unknown
OOIDA
Board Regular
its hardly spouting off at the mouth to ask for proof of something and then to bring to light the fact that the person failed to provide such proof. you have proved RR point and I stand corrected.Okay, you want to see what trained Amateur radio operators did to help after 9/11 - read here: http://hometown.aol.com/realhamradio/
But then again, you are probably just looking to argue with RR, and probably will not take the time. This mans story and many others like it are well documented. There have been about a 1/2 dozen Hams die since 9/11 from that dust!
Katrina, 2 Amateur radio operators that were truck drivers, were the first to get accurate information out of New Orleans after the Hurricane went through. Hundreds or Amateur Operators took part in communication and clean up efforts throughout the Gulf Coast after hurricanes Katrina and Rita.
Greensburg, KS - Amateur radio was the only communication out of there for several days, until the Red Cross and FEMA managed to get the portable cell towers on line.
Just last month, after a series of Tornadoes in Georgia, first responders were made of Amateur Radio operators. Do not spout off at the mouth like many of the truck CB Rambo's that your hear with nothing better to do at the truckstops.
As for the FCC and CB enforcement! The FCC passed the ability for states to enforce the laws regulating Citizen Band radios on to the states and local entities! Below is a cut and paste of the e-mail I received from the FCC on the subject:
You are receiving this email in response to your inquiry to the FCC.
During his term of office, President Clinton signed legislation that permits the enforcement of certain CB Radio regulations by state and local authorities. This is now known as PL 106-521. The law authorizes state and localities to enact ordinances prohibiting the use of unauthorized CB equipment - consistent with FCC rules. This includes the use of high-power linear amplifiers or equipment that is not FCC-certified.
The Communications Act of 1934, as amended, Sec. 302(f)(1) [excerpt] . . . "a State or local government MAY ENACT A STATUTE OR ORDINANCE that prohibits a violation of the following regulations of the Commission under this section: ''(A) A regulation that prohibits a use of citizens band radio equipment not authorized by the Commission. '' (B) A regulation that prohibits the unauthorized operation of citizens band radio equipment on a frequency between 24 MHz and 35 MHz." [47 U.S.C. 302a]
I know first hand, that Pennsylvania DOT does use this law! When I was running that part of the country, I witnessed them doing the inspections and confiscating the equipment.
Houston, TX - right now, as we chat hear, there are 2 enforcement teams tracking several individuals that are not only operating on 11 meters (Citizen Band), but there actions are interferring with Public Service and Emergency communications. One has even been recorded bleeding over on a satellite broadcast to the other side of the world.
An organization I am a member of, has been asked to be on a board of consultants, regarding possible enforcement actions through a State of Texas entity.
So obviously, someone does give a S&^%! And is starting to go after the heavy hitters, and may start coming after the casual users, like us truck drivers that choose to run down the road with those good old Texas Stars and Palomars displayed proudly on the dash like a trophy.
You guys love beating up on RadioRay, but this is a real situation. Amateurs do provide a real and beneficial public service, and many Amateurs were, some still are, CB'ers. And many of your fellow truckers are licensed Amateurs.
As far as growth, in Amateur Radio, you can find the real numbers at www.arrl.org or the www.fcc.gov, if you are willing to do the research, but again, and doubt that you will!
All the states are looking at ways to generate revenue, and some have started really looking into the radio enforcement. And with the level of fines they could generate, hmm, like taking candy from a baby for some state officials.
But then again, .............
Don't cry foul that you did not know they could do that! And DO NOT knock those that take the time to learn, become licensed and enjoy a really fun and valuable hobby! Had it not been for the work of Amateur radio many years ago (long before your were born), you would not even have the CB's to spout of the ignorance, apethy and stupidity we here everyday on channel 19.
Have a great day!
with that said it still does not show that the FCC is going to crack down this stuff. yes the states may be making a few busts here and there but that is not the FCC.
my point is the FCC can't stop it with the funds they have and they will not get more funds because the general public does not care. disprove that and I will stand corrected other wise my original point stands
work harder, millions on welfare are counting on you !
Member
got mud? wrote:
once again RR I asked you for documented proof of how the "hams" actually helped out on 9/11 you failed to prove your point! you instead pasted some thing that pertains to something that happened after the fact. that does not support your original claim!
you also had to bring up your detest of the cb radio how does that help your claim of the fcc will come to your rescue?
your numbers prove that there has been NO growth in the "ham" usage in 40 plus years? not really a good argument that the FCC should concern themselves with it.
the FCC is under funded because NO ONE CARES!!! THAT IS THE POINT!!! if people cared and the fcc could convince them then they would get the funding they need.
someone once told me not to argue with ignorance because they will just drag you to there level an beat you with experience! i'm finally starting to understand what that means.
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Those amateurs remained at their posts at the WTC for 30 days or more while communications infrastructure was rebuilt. It is not necessary for ME to defend a damned thing; it is all there for those with the intelligence to FIND and READ it for themselves Just because you are in desparate denial doesn't make your assertions true. Ignorance, sir, is based on facts or the lack thereof. The facts are there. Because you don't know what you are talking about WRT communications, you should stick to that knowledge you DO have. That is, that which is contained within the circumference of your steering wheel. Due to said circumference, it doesn't take much to contain it.
FCC's underfunding is part of 1980's history when it became popular to cut funds even to agencies whose programs were vital. That unwise cutting is what led to the outright theft of spectrum from legitimate services. Yep, you're right. I have NO respect for a thief, and the depths to which that disrespect sinks, you may imagine the worst.
Once again, and finally, there are actions and activities related to this matter to which none of us are privy. You may think what you will, none of US really care about THAT. It is RESULTS that we are looking for and these actions involve persuading FCC to
1. Cite and FINE the outlaws that soil useful radio spectrum with their presence. THIS has and IS BEING done NOW! Google "FCC and 10 Meters". PLENTY of actions against the chicken band outlaws since 2001.
2. Appoint a Special Counsel for Amateur Enforcement. Done prior to 2001.
3. Thru said Counsel, begin to issue warnings and threats of fines to trucking companies as well as warning these companies to STOP their drivers from talking outside the CB band. Google "FCC and Truckers on 10 Meters" And before you starting mouthing off with off the wall speculations, it has not yet been necessary to actually fine the companies themselves. Why? Because the companies themselves who have been cited responded positively, had the equipment removed from their fleets, AND threatened their drivers with dismissal if they ever violated such policies and restrictions again.
4. Start FINING dealers and CB shops that sell illegal "10 Meter" radios
Google "FCC and Radioactive Radios, GI Joe's CB Shop, Clay's, Pilot Travel Centers, Flying J, TA, Love's Travel Stops", and a list of others. Just because YOU say it isn't so, doesn't make it a lie. Go FIND it. It's THERE! Sounds like they are "caring" to ME! When they don't "CARE", you don't SEE anything happening. They USED to not care, and the CBers had a field day, boldly crowing, "them FCC fellers don't keer 'bout us CBers, an' we kin do anythin' we wanna." NOT ANYMORE.
5. Persuade FCC to go after the CB operators who caused interference to other services, used illegal 'leenyars", and went on "them thar extree channels thar". And they DID!!!!!!!!! Google "FCC goes after outlaw CBers with $10,000 fines"! Again just because YOU say they don't care, doesn't make it so. Sounds like they care a great deal.
6. Continuing to work on the concept of BANNING the CB-clone "10 Meter" radios from commercial trucks. It is closer to reality than you think, bub. Just because YOU think it not so-------just keep hangin onto that steering wheel. All the things you know about radio are contained therein.
On and on and on! We could argue til doomsday. The law is on OUR side, not that of the outlaws.
RR
Senior Board Member
I would like to thank mackman for starting this thread, I really missed Radio Ray, I learn sooooooo much from him.
Senior Board Member
thanks, that makes it much easier to ignore them
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