logging no no?

[Rev.Vassago]

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[bullhauler]

Learn to quote, please. Also, learn what "best case scenario" and "theory" mean.

Hey got it.

So the next time I get called into a scale, I will tell the scale master that this is my best case scenario, in theory.

[Rev.Vassago]

Learn to quote, please. Also, learn what "best case scenario" and "theory" mean.

Hey got it.

So the next time I get called into a scale, I will tell the scale master that this is my best case scenario, in theory.

In a real world application, you're hard pressed to find anyone stupid enough to drive that many hours, thinking they can legally do so.

[Bandit102]

If you're at home why would you need a hotel receipt? There is nothing that says your off duty time has to be spent in a hotel.

Maybe just a copy of the honey do list would work. lol. Home is off duty in the log book, no way around it. Unless you're still sleeping in the truck.

[Fredog]

While you logging "gurus" are "on duty" (not driving) I hope!,,,,,

I have a quick question.

What is the maximum number of hours allowed for driving during a 24 hour period?

I know it sounds like a basic premise of HOS, but I just recently realized it isn't.

ok, there are 24 hours in 24 period so the maximum number of hours you could drive in a 24 period would be 24.. I didnt say maximum allowed, I said maximum possible. Okay, Rev, let's see you dispute that

[Rev.Vassago]

ok, there are 24 hours in 24 period so the maximum number of hours you could drive in a 24 period would be 24.. I didnt say maximum allowed, I said maximum possible. Okay, Rev, let's see you dispute that

It depends what day of the year it is. On March 9 of this year, there are only 23 hours in the day, and on November 2nd, there are 25 hours. So there. :P

[gmh]

Now what exactly is trucker math?

Ask Rev and Steve Booth. They've had some enlightened discussions on the subject.

[glasman2]

ok, question here.

I do a 15 min fuel/pre-trip drive for the day then do a "quick" post-trip.

I log 15 minutes in the morning, but since i do a quick one at night, i only flag it (ie 7 minutes or less) legal?

my understanding is if it's 7 minutes or less you can flag, over 7 minutes you need to log to the nearest 15 minutes / 1/2 hr.

when i started driving, everything i did was eating up my hrs, then someone told me about flagging and saved me a ton of time ( when needed )

[SilverWulf]

ok, question here.

I do a 15 min fuel/pre-trip drive for the day then do a "quick" post-trip.

I log 15 minutes in the morning, but since i do a quick one at night, i only flag it (ie 7 minutes or less) legal?

my understanding is if it's 7 minutes or less you can flag, over 7 minutes you need to log to the nearest 15 minutes / 1/2 hr.

when i started driving, everything i did was eating up my hrs, then someone told me about flagging and saved me a ton of time ( when needed )

There is no rule that says anything about more or less than 7 minutes, that's a lunch counter myth. You can actually flag anything that takes less than 15 minutes.

[Rev.Vassago]

Correct. Anything less than 15 minutes can be flagged.

[Fredog]

ok, there are 24 hours in 24 period so the maximum number of hours you could drive in a 24 period would be 24.. I didnt say maximum allowed, I said maximum possible. Okay, Rev, let's see you dispute that

It depends what day of the year it is. On March 9 of this year, there are only 23 hours in the day, and on November 2nd, there are 25 hours. So there. :P

doesnt matter,I said a 24 hour period, not a day.. SO THERE... NANA BOO_BOO

[mdgardner963]

I now run the same route 5 nights a week and am home from about 0200-1500 hrs.
this is where the question comes in. I am logging this time on line 1 off duty. An other driver said thats wrong(I know I shouldn't listen but now worry about it) he said it should be logged on line 2 or I need a hotel reciept for DOT. I start logging and end at the same time and same location so it's evident that I must be home.

Its very simple if you are out of the truck sleeping at home then your off duty and the guy is a flake,, your correct he is wrong... :evil: :twisted:

[Skywalker]

I now run the same route 5 nights a week and am home from about 0200-1500 hrs.
this is where the question comes in. I am logging this time on line 1 off duty. An other driver said thats wrong(I know I shouldn't listen but now worry about it) he said it should be logged on line 2 or I need a hotel reciept for DOT. I start logging and end at the same time and same location so it's evident that I must be home.

Its very simple if you are out of the truck sleeping at home then your off duty and the guy is a flake,, your correct he is wrong... :evil: :twisted:

Thats right. If you are not in the sleeper berth.....you are to log "off duty". Its as simple as that.

While its best to have a copy of a motel bill to substantiate a stay in a motel, its not 100% necessary. I stay in motels that the company has contracts with....I just sign in and sign out. I do not necessarily get a copy of the bill. If I show more than 10 consecutive hours off duty the point is "moot". I have met the requirements according to the "Fed". http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...ochure2005.htm

The answer to a possible rebuttal: In the event a DOT officer wants proof that I stayed in a motel....I would hit the auto-dial on my cell phone calling the terminal that pays that motels bill...and have them validate the log entry to the nice officer. Push come to shove...if the officer insists on seeing the motel bill...a call to the motel with the DOT's fax number would take care of that.

But, funny thing is....I have NEVER been asked for the motel bill...

Oh, if for some reason I stay in a motel due to "breakdown" away from a terminal....and I pay the bill and send it in for re-imbursement... I do keep a copy of the bill with me....as much to compare to my pay statement as anything else.


Trucker math: A method of computing numbers that arrives at the desired results with absolutely no correlation to reality" :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[Rev.Vassago]

The answer to a possible rebuttal: In the event a DOT officer wants proof that I stayed in a motel....

Why would a DOT officer want proof that you stayed in a motel? There's no FMCSA regulation that says you have to.

[Markk9]

Pre-trip is only required once every 24 hours.

Mark

[mdgardner963]

Pre-trip is only required once every 24 hours.

Mark

There you go again pre trip is in your day. 1 If you change trailers 2. at anytime you stop for more then 10 hours or any change of service.. :twisted:

[kc0iv]

There you go again pre trip is in your day. 1 If you change trailers 2. at anytime you stop for more then 10 hours or any change of service.. :twisted:

Quote the regulation for your statement.

kc0iv

[Rev.Vassago]

There you go again pre trip is in your day. 1 If you change trailers 2. at anytime you stop for more then 10 hours or any change of service.. :twisted:

Quote the regulation for your statement.

kc0iv

§396.13 Driver inspection.


Before driving a motor vehicle, the driver shall:

(a) Be satisfied that the motor vehicle is in safe operating condition;

(b) Review the last driver vehicle inspection report; and

(c) Sign the report, only if defects or deficiencies were noted by the driver who prepared the report, to acknowledge that the driver has reviewed it and that there is a certification that the required repairs have been performed. The signature requirement does not apply to listed defects on a towed unit which is no longer part of the vehicle combination.

A trailer is part of the vehicle, and requires an inspection prior to operating it.

§396.11 Driver Vehicle Inspection Report(s)

Question 2: Does §396.11 require that the power unit and the trailer be inspected?

Guidance: Yes. A driver must be satisfied that both the power unit and the trailer are in safe operating condition before operating the combination.

Question 3: May more than one power unit be included on the DVIR if two or more power units were used by a driver during one day's work?

Guidance: No. A separate DVIR must be prepared for each power unit operated during the day's work.

§396.13 states that before operating the motor vehicle, the driver must inspect it to make sure it is in safe operating condition. §396.11 states that every unit must be inspected before operating the combination.

[kc0iv]

There you go again pre trip is in your day. 1 If you change trailers 2. at anytime you stop for more then 10 hours or any change of service.. :twisted:

Quote the regulation for your statement.

kc0iv

§396.13 Driver inspection.


Before driving a motor vehicle, the driver shall:

(a) Be satisfied that the motor vehicle is in safe operating condition;

(b) Review the last driver vehicle inspection report; and

(c) Sign the report, only if defects or deficiencies were noted by the driver who prepared the report, to acknowledge that the driver has reviewed it and that there is a certification that the required repairs have been performed. The signature requirement does not apply to listed defects on a towed unit which is no longer part of the vehicle combination.

A trailer is part of the vehicle, and requires an inspection prior to operating it.

§396.11 Driver Vehicle Inspection Report(s)

Question 2: Does §396.11 require that the power unit and the trailer be inspected?

Guidance: Yes. A driver must be satisfied that both the power unit and the trailer are in safe operating condition before operating the combination.

Question 3: May more than one power unit be included on the DVIR if two or more power units were used by a driver during one day's work?

Guidance: No. A separate DVIR must be prepared for each power unit operated during the day's work.

§396.13 states that before operating the motor vehicle, the driver must inspect it to make sure it is in safe operating condition. §396.11 states that every unit must be inspected before operating the combination.

Rev.Vassago,

Needless to say I know those rules. However, I want to see the part that says "2. at anytime you stop for more then 10 hours or any change of service.."

kc0iv

[Rev.Vassago]

There you go again pre trip is in your day. 1 If you change trailers 2. at anytime you stop for more then 10 hours or any change of service.. :twisted:

Quote the regulation for your statement.

kc0iv

§396.13 Driver inspection.


Before driving a motor vehicle, the driver shall:

(a) Be satisfied that the motor vehicle is in safe operating condition;

(b) Review the last driver vehicle inspection report; and

(c) Sign the report, only if defects or deficiencies were noted by the driver who prepared the report, to acknowledge that the driver has reviewed it and that there is a certification that the required repairs have been performed. The signature requirement does not apply to listed defects on a towed unit which is no longer part of the vehicle combination.

A trailer is part of the vehicle, and requires an inspection prior to operating it.

§396.11 Driver Vehicle Inspection Report(s)

Question 2: Does §396.11 require that the power unit and the trailer be inspected?

Guidance: Yes. A driver must be satisfied that both the power unit and the trailer are in safe operating condition before operating the combination.

Question 3: May more than one power unit be included on the DVIR if two or more power units were used by a driver during one day's work?

Guidance: No. A separate DVIR must be prepared for each power unit operated during the day's work.

§396.13 states that before operating the motor vehicle, the driver must inspect it to make sure it is in safe operating condition. §396.11 states that every unit must be inspected before operating the combination.

Rev.Vassago,

Needless to say I know those rules. However, I want to see the part that says "2. at anytime you stop for more then 10 hours or any change of service.."

kc0iv

Any time you start driving the vehicle, including after a 10 hour break or any other change of duty status, you are required to inspect the vehicle. Technically, mdgardner is correct, as you need to inspect the vehicle after a 10 hour break or more. What he isn't taking into account is that you also need to inspect it after a break of less than 10 hours, or any other time you are going to drive the vehicle.