Log book Question

[Cat6869]

You must provide the last 7 days worth of logs to DOT (USA) and the last 14 days to MTO (Canadian). If you have them printed and signed you should not have any problems. Do not offer any more logs if at all possible, however if you are running legal there should not be any problem in providing the previous logs .

[kc0iv]

You must provide the last 7 days worth of logs to DOT (USA) and the last 14 days to MTO (Canadian). If you have them printed and signed you should not have any problems. Do not offer any more logs if at all possible, however if you are running legal there should not be any problem in providing the previous logs .

One of the biggest reason to only give L.E. only the required logs and not the complete logbook is once you give them the logbook they have a right to look at every page. If for example you made a mistake 15 days ago they can write you a citation. However, if you give only the required pages they wouldn't see the error.

kc0iv

[Cat6869]

You must provide the last 7 days worth of logs to DOT (USA) and the last 14 days to MTO (Canadian). If you have them printed and signed you should not have any problems. Do not offer any more logs if at all possible, however if you are running legal there should not be any problem in providing the previous logs .

One of the biggest reason to only give L.E. only the required logs and not the complete logbook is once you give them the logbook they have a right to look at every page. If for example you made a mistake 15 days ago they can write you a citation. However, if you give only the required pages they wouldn't see the error.

kc0iv

That's why I stressed to not give them more if at all possible but most drivers use one log book for the month (not running lose leaf etc).
Yes they can do that and have done that going back more than 7 days, not fair in my opinion.

[ChikinTrucka]

In about 15 years of trucking, I have only had cops look at my log book twice! Once in PA when I was rolling down a hill at about 80 (back when it 55mph), pulling doubles (I was foolish back then) and rolled right by a trooper. He followed me all the way to the top of the next hill and then turned on the blues (nice guy, I thought). He checked my logbook and wrote me a ticket for not being up to date. I was going to explain that my log WAS up to date, but then realized that I didn't get a speeding ticket. He said "slow it down" and away I went. The other time I was on the scale in VA, when the cop came out of the scale house with the look of death in his eyes. He really scared me. He didn't take his eyes off me the whole walk from the scale house to my door, I thought I was getting arrest for something I didn't do for sure! He asked to see me logbook and then told me I could go. I still don't know what that was about!
Sometimes I get lazy and fill in the last stop or two after I do them. How often do other drivers show their books? It almost seems pointless to have log books if nobody is every going to look at them (not like I want them to.) KnowutImean?

[Bandit102]

In about 15 years of trucking, I have only had cops look at my log book twice! Once in PA when I was rolling down a hill at about 80 (back when it 55mph), pulling doubles (I was foolish back then) and rolled right by a trooper. He followed me all the way to the top of the next hill and then turned on the blues (nice guy, I thought). He checked my logbook and wrote me a ticket for not being up to date. I was going to explain that my log WAS up to date, but then realized that I didn't get a speeding ticket. He said "slow it down" and away I went. The other time I was on the scale in VA, when the cop came out of the scale house with the look of death in his eyes. He really scared me. He didn't take his eyes off me the whole walk from the scale house to my door, I thought I was getting arrest for something I didn't do for sure! He asked to see me logbook and then told me I could go. I still don't know what that was about!
Sometimes I get lazy and fill in the last stop or two after I do them. How often do other drivers show their books? It almost seems pointless to have log books if nobody is every going to look at them (not like I want them to.) KnowutImean?

That's incredible!!! On my safestat, I have NO out of service inspections in the last 30 months with 3 trucks. I probably have to show my logbook once or twice a month. Same for my other 2 drivers. I've shown it as high as 6 times in one day in Texas a couple of years ago. Sheesh.

[BORN2DRIVE]

Quick question. Is it true that you can extend your 14 hrs. by going on line 2 once for 2 hrs. or more, as long as you don't go over 11 hrs. driving?

[Cat6869]

Quick question. Is it true that you can extend your 14 hrs. by going on line 2 once for 2 hrs. or more, as long as you don't go over 11 hrs. driving?

NO! You must have 8 hours in the sleeper to extend (or as some say stop the clock, however so you know the clock doesn't stop, it keeps ticking so learn the phrase it extends the clock).

So if I start working @ 2:00 am my original 14 hour ends @ 4:00 pm, but if I drive say 6 hours (which puts me @ 8:00 am) and take an 8 hour sleeper break from (8:00 am to 4:00 pm) that extends my 14 hour to 12:00 am now the driving time from 2:00 am to 12:00 am should not total more than 11 hours. If I get my 2 hour break before then I would restart my 14 from the end of the previous.

[Cat6869]

Quick question. Is it true that you can extend your 14 hrs. by going on line 2 once for 2 hrs. or more, as long as you don't go over 11 hrs. driving?

NO! You must have 8 hours in the sleeper to extend (or as some say stop the clock, however so you know the clock doesn't stop, it keeps ticking so learn the phrase it extends the clock).

So if I start working @ 2:00 am my original 14 hour ends @ 4:00 pm, but if I drive say 6 hours (which puts me @ 8:00 am) and take an 8 hour sleeper break from (8:00 am to 4:00 pm) that extends my 14 hour to 12:00 am now the driving time from 2:00 am to 12:00 am should not total more than 11 hours. If I get my 2 hour break before then I would restart my 14 from the end of the previous.

[BORN2DRIVE]

Quick question. Is it true that you can extend your 14 hrs. by going on line 2 once for 2 hrs. or more, as long as you don't go over 11 hrs. driving?

NO! You must have 8 hours in the sleeper to extend (or as some say stop the clock, however so you know the clock doesn't stop, it keeps ticking so learn the phrase it extends the clock).

So if I start working @ 2:00 am my original 14 hour ends @ 4:00 pm, but if I drive say 6 hours (which puts me @ 8:00 am) and take an 8 hour sleeper break from (8:00 am to 4:00 pm) that extends my 14 hour to 12:00 am now the driving time from 2:00 am to 12:00 am should not total more than 11 hours. If I get my 2 hour break before then I would restart my 14 from the end of the previous.

So, if I go on duty at 5 AM and am on lines 3 &4 (with 1 off duty period of 1hr) until 2:45PM and then go to SB for 3hrs, do I still have to shut down at 7PM or can I go until 10PM now?

[Rev.Vassago]

So, if I go on duty at 5 AM and am on lines 3 &4 (with 1 off duty period of 1hr) until 2:45PM and then go to SB for 3hrs, do I still have to shut down at 7PM or can I go until 10PM now?

It depends. If you drove from 4:00 pm until 9:00 pm, then you stopped until 5:00 am, you got the reqired 8 hours to stop your 14 hour clock. At that point, you could then drive 6 hours, and would have to take at least a 2 hour break at 11:00 am, at which point you would have 5 hours available to you. Your 14 hour clock, which would now have began at 5:00 am, would end at 7:00 pm, at which point you would have to take yet another minimum 8 hour sleeper berth break.

[Cat6869]

Quick question. Is it true that you can extend your 14 hrs. by going on line 2 once for 2 hrs. or more, as long as you don't go over 11 hrs. driving?

NO! You must have 8 hours in the sleeper to extend (or as some say stop the clock, however so you know the clock doesn't stop, it keeps ticking so learn the phrase it extends the clock).

So if I start working @ 2:00 am my original 14 hour ends @ 4:00 pm, but if I drive say 6 hours (which puts me @ 8:00 am) and take an 8 hour sleeper break from (8:00 am to 4:00 pm) that extends my 14 hour to 12:00 am now the driving time from 2:00 am to 12:00 am should not total more than 11 hours. If I get my 2 hour break before then I would restart my 14 from the end of the previous.

So, if I go on duty at 5 AM and am on lines 3 &4 (with 1 off duty period of 1hr) until 2:45PM and then go to SB for 3hrs, do I still have to shut down at 7PM or can I go until 10PM now?

YES! You should still shut down @ 7:00 pm. If you do not want to split break then you can NOT drive passed that 14th hour. Now if you want to split break and you get 8 HOURS IN THE SLEEPER you can "EXTEND" your 14 hour clock by 8 hour (or however many hours you have in the "SLEEPER").

So if you started @ 5:00 am and drove 3 hours and then took 8 hours in the sleeper your 14 hour would now end 3:00 am the following day. The driving time from 5:00 am to 3:00 am should not total more than 11 hours of line 3 time (driving).

That was just a quick easy explination

[ChikinTrucka]

In about 15 years of trucking, I have only had cops look at my log book twice!

That's incredible!!! On my safestat, I have NO out of service inspections in the last 30 months with 3 trucks. I probably have to show my logbook once or twice a month. Same for my other 2 drivers. I've shown it as high as 6 times in one day in Texas a couple of years ago. Sheesh.

Three times. I forgot, In VA about 4 months ago. 200 pounds over on the tandems, and he checked my logbook while writing an overweight fine.
Sheesh, 6 times?? I think I'd throw it out the window and say I don't have one. Does your truck say "Whatever you do, don't ask to see my logs" on the side of it??

[Skywalker]

I think I'd throw it out the window and say I don't have one. Does your truck say "Whatever you do, don't ask to see my logs" on the side of it??

I wouldn't suggest doing that. I recently saw somewhere that they had alleviated the problem financially. It said there was a $1500.00 fine for failing to "have a logbook". Far less expensive to grovel a little over a minor infraction. When I get a chance...I'll see if I can find that source.

[ChikinTrucka]

I recently saw somewhere that they had alleviated the problem financially. It said there was a $1500.00 fine for failing to "have a logbook". Far less expensive to grovel a little over a minor infraction. When I get a chance...I'll see if I can find that source.

I'd like to see that. There was a time when, if your logbook wasn't accurate, you wouldn't show the officer anything, because the fine was only $25 for not having a logbook.

[kc0iv]

I recently saw somewhere that they had alleviated the problem financially. It said there was a $1500.00 fine for failing to "have a logbook". Far less expensive to grovel a little over a minor infraction. When I get a chance...I'll see if I can find that source.

I'd like to see that. There was a time when, if your logbook wasn't accurate, you wouldn't show the officer anything, because the fine was only $25 for not having a logbook.

I don't think any state has a fine for $25 anymore. Per the fee schedule for Midland county court in Texas it is a $208 fine plus court cost. See: http://www.co.midland.tx.us/jp/pct2a.../web_fines.pdf

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