Smith Trucking Company Told to stay OFF the 10 Meter band

[countryhorseman]

KC0IV, I apologize if you took that to mean you, by the time I had gotten to that point in the message, it had basically become general in nature. That post started directed towards you, at the statment regarding the when and where, which was in the original post. And I did place the (whoever), which was meant to direct to those that it would apply to.

I try not to imply that anyone does anything illegal, until that point were they have basically incriminated themselves or admitted to wrongdoing.

As far as the PA law or whether or not the feds were involved, I have no idea, like I said, I was waived through the checkpoint and not inspected, thus did not have the oppurtunity to ask. I personally saw the confiscated equipment on the back of a PennDot Truck next to the inspection area. The article in the paper that I read was in actual print, so I made the mistake (I suppose) of assuming it would be in their online archive.


I far as binary and morse code, your statements and fact make since, but, no matter how you stack it, Morse Code has been credited as being the first form of digital communication, regardless of current definitions. I cannot find the article copy, but an article printed in QST magazine, back in the '60's referenced Morse Code as being the first digital form of communication. That was my only point, it is the grandfather to what is known as digital today.

Another note, I draft and sent an e-mail to the FCC Enforcement Division today, referencing several issues that have been brought up on this and other threads. With any luck I will receive a response in a few days, and will be happy to share the findings.

They have come down hard on radio shops over the last year or so for selling non-type accepted radios and/or making modifications to such radios. I suppose the fixed targets are easier to enforce than the moving ones. There are several references on the FCC Enforcement site, but make note, there is a disclaimer on the site stating, that not all current, pending or past actions are posted on the site. This may well explain the lack of information regarding actions against individuals or companies.

[RadioRay]

MY intent is, first of all, to imform the drivers that there is something wrong, and that the use of the "10 Meter" radios actually violates the law. Many people have been led down a primrose path to believe that there is a "freeband" or "extra" channels for CBers to use as they see fit. They have rationalized this as "OK since them people ain't using them channels nowhow". This is NOT true. The facts are:

1. ALL operators of any kind of radio transmitters are responsible to READ the rules governing their radio service in which they are engaged.

2. CB Radio is governed by Part 95 of the US Code. FEW CBers bother to
read these rules, relying instead on myth and CB legend as to what operators are allowed to do.

3. Shops sell the "10 Meter 'Amateur' Radios" because of the lure of "extra channels and more power. They are, in fact, illegal to SELL or to USE by unlicensed operators ON the CB band, and illegal to use ON the actual 10 Meter band without a valid license issued by FCC.

4. Operators, seeking the quiet channel, the exclusive channel, the "truckers' channel", then use their 'band' switches to find their way up into the 10 Meter band, the most popular frequency being 28.085 using the AM mode.

5. Licensed operators hear these operators, usually truck drivers because it so happens that the radios are more likely to be promoted and sold in truck stops, and begin to "lay" for these drivers by observing, recording, and reporting their transmissions to FCC.

6. Companies then get warned to stop their drivers from engaging in this practice.


Without arguing how often drivers get caught, how often they may or may not have been fined, the odds are that eventually YOU will be caught transmitting on frequencies on which you have NO business. Yes, it is a gamble. Is the gamble worth taking? You never know if one of the legitimate users of 10 meters is listening or quietly driving along beside you documenting your activity! You will NEVER even KNOW you have been targeted until you get the letter.

The best course of action for the users of these illegal radios AND illegal (for you) frequencies is to cease operating there and return to the legal 40 CB frequencies! You can get away with a LOT within those channels so long as you don't splatter onto the nearby spectrum! It is when you are found outside the legal 40 that you are likely to get popped!~

RR

[Fredog]

MY intent is, first of all, to imform the drivers that there is something wrong, and that the use of the "10 Meter" radios actually violates the law. Many people have been led down a primrose path to believe that there is a "freeband" or "extra" channels for CBers to use as they see fit. They have rationalized this as "OK since them people ain't using them channels nowhow". This is NOT true. The facts are:

1. ALL operators of any kind of radio transmitters are responsible to READ the rules governing their radio service in which they are engaged.

2. CB Radio is governed by Part 95 of the US Code. FEW CBers bother to
read these rules, relying instead on myth and CB legend as to what operators are allowed to do.

3. Shops sell the "10 Meter 'Amateur' Radios" because of the lure of "extra channels and more power. They are, in fact, illegal to SELL or to USE by unlicensed operators ON the CB band, and illegal to use ON the actual 10 Meter band without a valid license issued by FCC.

4. Operators, seeking the quiet channel, the exclusive channel, the "truckers' channel", then use their 'band' switches to find their way up into the 10 Meter band, the most popular frequency being 28.085 using the AM mode.

5. Licensed operators hear these operators, usually truck drivers because it so happens that the radios are more likely to be promoted and sold in truck stops, and begin to "lay" for these drivers by observing, recording, and reporting their transmissions to FCC.

6. Companies then get warned to stop their drivers from engaging in this practice.


Without arguing how often drivers get caught, how often they may or may not have been fined, the odds are that eventually YOU will be caught transmitting on frequencies on which you have NO business. Yes, it is a gamble. Is the gamble worth taking? You never know if one of the legitimate users of 10 meters is listening or quietly driving along beside you documenting your activity! You will NEVER even KNOW you have been targeted until you get the letter.

The best course of action for the users of these illegal radios AND illegal (for you) frequencies is to cease operating there and return to the legal 40 CB frequencies! You can get away with a LOT within those channels so long as you don't splatter onto the nearby spectrum! It is when you are found outside the legal 40 that you are likely to get popped!~

RR

we get it already

[greg3564]

MY intent is, first of all, to imform the drivers that there is something wrong, and that the use of the "10 Meter" radios actually violates the law. Many people have been led down a primrose path to believe that there is a "freeband" or "extra" channels for CBers to use as they see fit. They have rationalized this as "OK since them people ain't using them channels nowhow". This is NOT true. The facts are:

1. ALL operators of any kind of radio transmitters are responsible to READ the rules governing their radio service in which they are engaged.

2. CB Radio is governed by Part 95 of the US Code. FEW CBers bother to
read these rules, relying instead on myth and CB legend as to what operators are allowed to do.

3. Shops sell the "10 Meter 'Amateur' Radios" because of the lure of "extra channels and more power. They are, in fact, illegal to SELL or to USE by unlicensed operators ON the CB band, and illegal to use ON the actual 10 Meter band without a valid license issued by FCC.

4. Operators, seeking the quiet channel, the exclusive channel, the "truckers' channel", then use their 'band' switches to find their way up into the 10 Meter band, the most popular frequency being 28.085 using the AM mode.

5. Licensed operators hear these operators, usually truck drivers because it so happens that the radios are more likely to be promoted and sold in truck stops, and begin to "lay" for these drivers by observing, recording, and reporting their transmissions to FCC.

6. Companies then get warned to stop their drivers from engaging in this practice.


Without arguing how often drivers get caught, how often they may or may not have been fined, the odds are that eventually YOU will be caught transmitting on frequencies on which you have NO business. Yes, it is a gamble. Is the gamble worth taking? You never know if one of the legitimate users of 10 meters is listening or quietly driving along beside you documenting your activity! You will NEVER even KNOW you have been targeted until you get the letter.

The best course of action for the users of these illegal radios AND illegal (for you) frequencies is to cease operating there and return to the legal 40 CB frequencies! You can get away with a LOT within those channels so long as you don't splatter onto the nearby spectrum! It is when you are found outside the legal 40 that you are likely to get popped!~

RR

we get it already

Yeah, well he doesn't get the hint and never will.

[Fredog]

MY intent is, first of all, to imform the drivers that there is something wrong, and that the use of the "10 Meter" radios actually violates the law. Many people have been led down a primrose path to believe that there is a "freeband" or "extra" channels for CBers to use as they see fit. They have rationalized this as "OK since them people ain't using them channels nowhow". This is NOT true. The facts are:

1. ALL operators of any kind of radio transmitters are responsible to READ the rules governing their radio service in which they are engaged.

2. CB Radio is governed by Part 95 of the US Code. FEW CBers bother to
read these rules, relying instead on myth and CB legend as to what operators are allowed to do.

3. Shops sell the "10 Meter 'Amateur' Radios" because of the lure of "extra channels and more power. They are, in fact, illegal to SELL or to USE by unlicensed operators ON the CB band, and illegal to use ON the actual 10 Meter band without a valid license issued by FCC.

4. Operators, seeking the quiet channel, the exclusive channel, the "truckers' channel", then use their 'band' switches to find their way up into the 10 Meter band, the most popular frequency being 28.085 using the AM mode.

5. Licensed operators hear these operators, usually truck drivers because it so happens that the radios are more likely to be promoted and sold in truck stops, and begin to "lay" for these drivers by observing, recording, and reporting their transmissions to FCC.

6. Companies then get warned to stop their drivers from engaging in this practice.


Without arguing how often drivers get caught, how often they may or may not have been fined, the odds are that eventually YOU will be caught transmitting on frequencies on which you have NO business. Yes, it is a gamble. Is the gamble worth taking? You never know if one of the legitimate users of 10 meters is listening or quietly driving along beside you documenting your activity! You will NEVER even KNOW you have been targeted until you get the letter.

The best course of action for the users of these illegal radios AND illegal (for you) frequencies is to cease operating there and return to the legal 40 CB frequencies! You can get away with a LOT within those channels so long as you don't splatter onto the nearby spectrum! It is when you are found outside the legal 40 that you are likely to get popped!~

RR

we get it already

Yeah, well he doesn't get the hint and never will.

maybe we could find him a girlfriend, he obviously needs something to do

[countryhorseman]

To continually insult the guy does not help your point, and in fact is quite childish. Try by returning some form of intelligent conversation, or do not reply at all.

Seems you guys reply just to annoy him, thus giving him more reason to prove his point.

[Fredog]

To continually insult the guy does not help your point, and in fact is quite childish. Try by returning some form of intelligent conversation, or do not reply at all.

Seems you guys reply just to annoy him, thus giving him more reason to prove his point.

He annoys me so I am returning the favor, if you dont want to read it, then dont.

[countryhorseman]

To continually insult the guy does not help your point, and in fact is quite childish. Try by returning some form of intelligent conversation, or do not reply at all.

Seems you guys reply just to annoy him, thus giving him more reason to prove his point.

He annoys me so I am returning the favor, if you dont want to read it, then dont.

Some of actually enjoy the technical aspects of what he has to say, as it is based on truth and fact. So you annoy me, guess that makes us even! But I do not continually insult you, get the point!

[kc0iv]

They have come down hard on radio shops over the last year or so for selling non-type accepted radios and/or making modifications to such radios. I suppose the fixed targets are easier to enforce than the moving ones. There are several references on the FCC Enforcement site, but make note, there is a disclaimer on the site stating, that not all current, pending or past actions are posted on the site. This may well explain the lack of information regarding actions against individuals or companies.

countryhorseman,

What I can't get through RadioRay's head is the F.C.C. doesn't devote much time to illegal operations. They simply don't have the man-power. As greg3564 showed in his post on Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:45 pm. By in large enforcement amounts to writing a letter as the stats shows. But when you read post by RadioRay one would be lead to believe the F.C.C. is out there in full force and every illegal operation will be caught. Just like the post on Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:19 pm where he says: "the odds are that eventually YOU will be caught transmitting on frequencies on which you have NO business." Which simply isn't true.

The other point is RadioRay's postings are limited to nothing but this type of postings on this and other newsgroups. Which really serves no purpose except it gives "ham radio" a bad image by "non-hams." The vast majority of truckers know these radios are illegal. To me a much better approach is to direct these people toward "ham radio." As an example. When people have ask me how to do something that is illegal my normal reply is I'm sorry. I can't give you that type of information since what you want to do is illegal." On the other hand when someone ask me about tuning an antenna or what kind of coax he/she should use, even if I pretty sure it is for a illegal operation, I will give them the information as best as I know. I don't make a big deal about using it for illegal operations. In my opinion I haven't turned off this trucker by a holyer than thou attitude.

The illegal modifications of radios for CB operations has gone on for years. I remember, when I worked for a major "ham" dealer back in the '70s, they had several transmitters that had been setup for CB operations. I might add the engineer in charge of the district office ( a license "ham") was a regular customer and was fully aware of these transmitters and never said a word other than it was a shame these transmitters had little market value for "ham" operations. That was back in the era when CBers were using such radios as Johnson Desk Kilowatt and Collins KWS-1. And I wouldn't hazard a guess on how may 100 watt transmitters were converted to CB operations. Back then there was a company in KC that would grind a crystal for putting a transmitter on any frequency the customer wanted. The only thing that has changed is the players and the type of radios being used.

kc0iv

[Fredog]

They have come down hard on radio shops over the last year or so for selling non-type accepted radios and/or making modifications to such radios. I suppose the fixed targets are easier to enforce than the moving ones. There are several references on the FCC Enforcement site, but make note, there is a disclaimer on the site stating, that not all current, pending or past actions are posted on the site. This may well explain the lack of information regarding actions against individuals or companies.

countryhorseman,

What I can't get through RadioRay's head is the F.C.C. doesn't devote much time to illegal operations. They simply don't have the man-power. As greg3564 showed in his post on Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:45 pm. By in large enforcement amounts to writing a letter as the stats shows. But when you read post by RadioRay one would be lead to believe the F.C.C. is out there in full force and every illegal operation will be caught. Just like the post on Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:19 pm where he says: "the odds are that eventually YOU will be caught transmitting on frequencies on which you have NO business." Which simply isn't true.

The other point is RadioRay's postings are limited to nothing but this type of postings on this and other newsgroups. Which really serves no purpose except it gives "ham radio" a bad image by "non-hams." The vast majority of truckers know these radios are illegal. To me a much better approach is to direct these people toward "ham radio." As an example. When people have ask me how to do something that is illegal my normal reply is I'm sorry. I can't give you that type of information since what you want to do is illegal." On the other hand when someone ask me about tuning an antenna or what kind of coax he/she should use, even if I pretty sure it is for a illegal operation, I will give them the information as best as I know. I don't make a big deal about using it for illegal operations. In my opinion I haven't turned off this trucker by a holyer than thou attitude.

The illegal modifications of radios for CB operations has gone on for years. I remember, when I worked for a major "ham" dealer back in the '70s, they had several transmitters that had been setup for CB operations. I might add the engineer in charge of the district office ( a license "ham") was a regular customer and was fully aware of these transmitters and never said a word other than it was a shame these transmitters had little market value for "ham" operations. That was back in the era when CBers were using such radios as Johnson Desk Kilowatt and Collins KWS-1. And I wouldn't hazard a guess on how may 100 watt transmitters were converted to CB operations. Back then there was a company in KC that would grind a crystal for putting a transmitter on any frequency the customer wanted. The only thing that has changed is the players and the type of radios being used.

kc0iv

truckers know it's illegal to speed, but a lot of them do it. telling them every day that it's illegal isnt going to stop them.. it's the same thing. when they get caught, they will stop.

[utvolsr1]

Long time CB'er and skip talker from the mid 70's to early 80's. These post all started by someone letting the trucking drivers know about the FCC WATCHING the 10 meter bands and such. A lot of drivers hear all kind of talk about what is legal and what is not. Everyone is a trucking lawyer at least one time in his or her life. How many times have you been told something that the person said is the law and you did it to find out it was not and you could have been fine. Being glad you didn't get caught. We there is even more dumb CB'ers out there trying to be lawyers and telling young 20 year olds oh this is legal or they could not sell it to you or by from me it's legal. Whatever the reason some will not know. By just saying something is illegal is not enough. Someone will say well that is dumb why is that, at least 2 or 3 in a group of 10. OK they may not say it but think it. Some on here try to bring more info to make others better informed. This radio guy after reading his first post some bashed him from jump. A little known fact if I read it right is when you get your ham license you are also acting on behave of the FCC. Meaning if you knowingly let someone break the FCC law you too can lose your license and be find as well. The FCC use to administer all tests for a ham license now depending on the ham likewise level they are and do administer the test. Ham operators do help enforce ham laws or they can be punished as well.
I could really care less if a CB'er gets find $10,000 if he knew the law but some young adult not knowing and gets find $10,000 with a wife and kid/s thinking it is just a glorified walkie talkie and a no license sounds good enough to be true gets caught well I do mind then.

To tell you the truth at this point I can not tell which one looks the stupidest or childish the one that keeps spouting rules or the one responding. I guess after 5 or 6 pages later you can't.
I've been on the CB side for many years running illegal in the early days of my CBing and will possibly now but I am reading to get my ham license not to talk on different frequencies but to learn to make amps and run them legal on those bands. The reason I'm getting into the ham thing after all these years is to build something and then using it legally. Why do something illegal when all you have to do is read a small manual and pass a 35 question test. I guess you truckers would like an in flux of drivers that didn't take the CDL test and get a license driving.

Oh what that is what most are calling Mexican drivers from Mexico. Look at it in those lights.

3's and 8's to you I'm gone
Have a good day to both sides.

[Fredog]

Long time CB'er and skip talker from the mid 70's to early 80's. These post all started by someone letting the trucking drivers know about the FCC WATCHING the 10 meter bands and such. A lot of drivers hear all kind of talk about what is legal and what is not. Everyone is a trucking lawyer at least one time in his or her life. How many times have you been told something that the person said is the law and you did it to find out it was not and you could have been fine. Being glad you didn't get caught. We there is even more dumb CB'ers out there trying to be lawyers and telling young 20 year olds oh this is legal or they could not sell it to you or by from me it's legal. Whatever the reason some will not know. By just saying something is illegal is not enough. Someone will say well that is dumb why is that, at least 2 or 3 in a group of 10. OK they may not say it but think it. Some on here try to bring more info to make others better informed. This radio guy after reading his first post some bashed him from jump. A little known fact if I read it right is when you get your ham license you are also acting on behave of the FCC. Meaning if you knowingly let someone break the FCC law you too can lose your license and be find as well. The FCC use to administer all tests for a ham license now depending on the ham likewise level they are and do administer the test. Ham operators do help enforce ham laws or they can be punished as well.
I could really care less if a CB'er gets find $10,000 if he knew the law but some young adult not knowing and gets find $10,000 with a wife and kid/s thinking it is just a glorified walkie talkie and a no license sounds good enough to be true gets caught well I do mind then.

To tell you the truth at this point I can not tell which one looks the stupidest or childish the one that keeps spouting rules or the one responding. I guess after 5 or 6 pages later you can't.
I've been on the CB side for many years running illegal in the early days of my CBing and will possibly now but I am reading to get my ham license not to talk on different frequencies but to learn to make amps and run them legal on those bands. The reason I'm getting into the ham thing after all these years is to build something and then using it legally. Why do something illegal when all you have to do is read a small manual and pass a 35 question test. I guess you truckers would like an in flux of drivers that didn't take the CDL test and get a license driving.

Oh what that is what most are calling Mexican drivers from Mexico. Look at it in those lights.

3's and 8's to you I'm gone
Have a good day to both sides.

just saying, we get it, it's illegal, telling us 5000 times isnt neccessary. no one is going to stop because of his posting,if he feels he needs to let drivers know, fine, but a few times is enough. and he NEVER adds anything else to this board, just the same thing every post.

[greg3564]

Long time CB'er and skip talker from the mid 70's to early 80's. These post all started by someone letting the trucking drivers know about the FCC WATCHING the 10 meter bands and such. A lot of drivers hear all kind of talk about what is legal and what is not. Everyone is a trucking lawyer at least one time in his or her life. How many times have you been told something that the person said is the law and you did it to find out it was not and you could have been fine. Being glad you didn't get caught. We there is even more dumb CB'ers out there trying to be lawyers and telling young 20 year olds oh this is legal or they could not sell it to you or by from me it's legal. Whatever the reason some will not know. By just saying something is illegal is not enough. Someone will say well that is dumb why is that, at least 2 or 3 in a group of 10. OK they may not say it but think it. Some on here try to bring more info to make others better informed. This radio guy after reading his first post some bashed him from jump. A little known fact if I read it right is when you get your ham license you are also acting on behave of the FCC. Meaning if you knowingly let someone break the FCC law you too can lose your license and be find as well. The FCC use to administer all tests for a ham license now depending on the ham likewise level they are and do administer the test. Ham operators do help enforce ham laws or they can be punished as well.
I could really care less if a CB'er gets find $10,000 if he knew the law but some young adult not knowing and gets find $10,000 with a wife and kid/s thinking it is just a glorified walkie talkie and a no license sounds good enough to be true gets caught well I do mind then.

To tell you the truth at this point I can not tell which one looks the stupidest or childish the one that keeps spouting rules or the one responding. I guess after 5 or 6 pages later you can't.
I've been on the CB side for many years running illegal in the early days of my CBing and will possibly now but I am reading to get my ham license not to talk on different frequencies but to learn to make amps and run them legal on those bands. The reason I'm getting into the ham thing after all these years is to build something and then using it legally. Why do something illegal when all you have to do is read a small manual and pass a 35 question test. I guess you truckers would like an in flux of drivers that didn't take the CDL test and get a license driving.

Oh what that is what most are calling Mexican drivers from Mexico. Look at it in those lights.

3's and 8's to you I'm gone
Have a good day to both sides.

just saying, we get it, it's illegal, telling us 5000 times isnt neccessary. no one is going to stop because of his posting,if he feels he needs to let drivers know, fine, but a few times is enough. and he NEVER adds anything else to this board, just the same thing every post.

Ditto!!!! We all get it RAY!!!

[utvolsr1]

Long time CB'er and skip talker from the mid 70's to early 80's. These post all started by someone letting the trucking drivers know about the FCC WATCHING the 10 meter bands and such. A lot of drivers hear all kind of talk about what is legal and what is not. Everyone is a trucking lawyer at least one time in his or her life. How many times have you been told something that the person said is the law and you did it to find out it was not and you could have been fine. Being glad you didn't get caught. We there is even more dumb CB'ers out there trying to be lawyers and telling young 20 year olds oh this is legal or they could not sell it to you or by from me it's legal. Whatever the reason some will not know. By just saying something is illegal is not enough. Someone will say well that is dumb why is that, at least 2 or 3 in a group of 10. OK they may not say it but think it. Some on here try to bring more info to make others better informed. This radio guy after reading his first post some bashed him from jump. A little known fact if I read it right is when you get your ham license you are also acting on behave of the FCC. Meaning if you knowingly let someone break the FCC law you too can lose your license and be find as well. The FCC use to administer all tests for a ham license now depending on the ham likewise level they are and do administer the test. Ham operators do help enforce ham laws or they can be punished as well.
I could really care less if a CB'er gets find $10,000 if he knew the law but some young adult not knowing and gets find $10,000 with a wife and kid/s thinking it is just a glorified walkie talkie and a no license sounds good enough to be true gets caught well I do mind then.

To tell you the truth at this point I can not tell which one looks the stupidest or childish the one that keeps spouting rules or the one responding. I guess after 5 or 6 pages later you can't.
I've been on the CB side for many years running illegal in the early days of my CBing and will possibly now but I am reading to get my ham license not to talk on different frequencies but to learn to make amps and run them legal on those bands. The reason I'm getting into the ham thing after all these years is to build something and then using it legally. Why do something illegal when all you have to do is read a small manual and pass a 35 question test. I guess you truckers would like an in flux of drivers that didn't take the CDL test and get a license driving.

Oh what that is what most are calling Mexican drivers from Mexico. Look at it in those lights.

3's and 8's to you I'm gone
Have a good day to both sides.

just saying, we get it, it's illegal, telling us 5000 times isnt neccessary. no one is going to stop because of his posting,if he feels he needs to let drivers know, fine, but a few times is enough. and he NEVER adds anything else to this board, just the same thing every post.

I'm with ya, but if someone would just stop it would end his post for at least this thread. LOL
If you ignore his post and never fuel the fire it will go out. OK looks good on paper. LOL

Like my bosses taught me never argue with an idiot everyone watching will not know the difference.
About him adding anything more that might be a blessing.

[countryhorseman]

I'd be interest in knowing what grounds A Texas D.O.T.officer could confiscate any radio other than a RADAR detector. Or any other D.O.T. officer.

Last time I checked D.O.T.officers were state employee not Federal employees. And in many states their police powers is very limited.

I haven't read or heard of the F.C.C. giving police powers to any other office. Maybe you could enlighten us as to where and where this occurred.

To "peak and tune" a radio requires a F.C.C. General Radiotelephone Operator License which I have. I think you will find the majority of these shops do not have the required license.

kc0iv

Sorry to fire this thread up again guys, but a questions was asked, and I have received the answer. Below is quoted from an e-mail I received from the FCC.

"You are receiving this email in response to your inquiry to the FCC.

During his term of office, President Clinton signed legislation that permits the enforcement of certain CB Radio regulations by state and local authorities. This is now known as PL 106-521. The law authorizes state and localities to enact ordinances prohibiting the use of unauthorized CB equipment - consistent with FCC rules. This includes the use of high-power linear amplifiers or equipment that is not FCC-certified.

The Communications Act of 1934, as amended, Sec. 302(f)(1) [excerpt] . . . "a State or local government MAY ENACT A STATUTE OR ORDINANCE that prohibits a violation of the following regulations of the Commission under this section: ''(A) A regulation that prohibits a use of citizens band radio equipment not authorized by the Commission. '' (B) A regulation that prohibits the unauthorized operation of citizens band radio equipment on a frequency between 24 MHz and 35 MHz." [47 U.S.C. 302a]


Rep Number : TSR44"

Hope this answers the question that was asked by KC0IV, blame it on Clinton again!

[kc0iv]

Hope this answers the question that was asked by KC0IV, blame it on Clinton again!

Interesting response at http://www.bigradios.com/shadow/governme.htm

be sure to read the parts written in RED. Near the middle of the page.

Well I guess Clinton did do something right.

kc0iv

[RadioRay]

Hope this answers the question that was asked by KC0IV, blame it on Clinton again!

Interesting response at http://www.bigradios.com/shadow/governme.htm

be sure to read the parts written in RED. Near the middle of the page.

Well I guess Clinton did do something right.

kc0iv

That's just IT! This "fight" is NOT over--not by a dadgum long shot! YES! It is taking a LONG time. There is currently no funding for FCC to do all they would LIKE to do! Don't think they don't WANT to do it; it's just that they must assign priorities in certain order, certain mandates from Congress must be met. The above legislation (of which some localities have taken advantage) was the result of a lot of effort. The truth is, CB radio has gotten out of hand, and the LACK of enforcement has permitted the outlandish practice of splattering amplifiers, so-called "freebanding", and, of course, the filching of the 10 Meter band with illegal radios.

If you recall, prior to this law, CBers (and truckers) laughed and mocked, saying, "Why they'll NEVER do this!". 'They'll NEVER fine the sellers!" And, "They'll NEVER bother us CBers!" Yet this law DID come along. FCC DID fine dealers. They HAVE fined CB operators up to $10,000 for their illegal activities, and, yes, some of it has been for out-of-band operating!

It is a slow process. Of course, I expect some of us here to ridicule ME; they were doing it BEFORE PL 106-521! But I told folks here and elsewhere it was coming. And it DID! Likewise, the FCC is still working on new sanctions in order to stop the sale of so-called "10 Meter" radios and the operation of them on illegal frequencies. I talked personally to FCC agents who have told me that the actions against outlaw CB operators will increase. Yes, they ARE working on BANS on the "10 Meter" radios AND ways to get local DOT agents involved LEGALLY to stem the flow of these things. After all, they banned radar detectors (not saying drivers don't have them on the sneak), they CAN ban the illegal "10 Meter" radios and set up FINES against drivers who use them.
When that will come to pass, I don't know. I DO know that there are people working behind the scenes to get action taken to get CB radio under control. It is a matter of getting ALL the legal details nailed down so some jackleg lawyer can't beat them in court on a technicality. There WILL be things done about this. Just don't know when it will come about.
Laugh, ridicule, have fun : It doesn't mean there aren't people working diligently behind the scenes to put a hurt on the dealers AND the users of illegal radios. It is a matter of the outlaw radio users who believe they have "rights" to talk on 'them there channels" versus the legitimate, authorized, licensed users of spectrum. Right vs wrong. Right usually prevails. When it doesn't, we ALL suffer, for when the forces of evil (and the theft of radio spectrum is as much a crime as as any other because it creates a problem for other users) win, we suffer a breakdown in moral fiber and character. Each successive "win" for that which is WRONG, eats away at the foundations of law that sustain us and damages society.
This curious "theft" of radio resources (which mostly only occurs within the ranks of CB and it's 'outlaw" culture") is the equivilent of someone physically entering YOUR home and taking your groceries, or your money.
The outlaw CBer sees this as "harmless" and "I ain't hurtin' anything" when, in fact, he IS taking something from someone else!

This is why the above law was passed, this is why there people quietly trying their best to bust up the outlaw's playhouse. We trust that, like PL-106-521, those behind-the-scenes efforts will bear fruit! I believe they WILL; it just isn't happening as fast as we'd like!

RR

[Twilight Flyer]

Get yourself a girl, mate.

[countryhorseman]

RR, I was trying to resolve the issue and put the facts behind it! That last post was un-needed and slightly childish. I hate to say that, as you had a valid point, but now it is time to let it rest.

It is an issue I strongly feel needs more control, but this forum is unfortunately not the place. And even the State and Local governments are shorthanded and funds.

Let's let this one rest, and get the backing to fight it on another playing field.

The Horseman

[Fredog]

Get yourself a girl, mate.