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    Default Can someone please clarify this for me... old 70/8 hos rule

    My husband basically started when the new HOS rules came into effect. I was wondering about what happens when the 34 hour reset is eliminated.

    I know it would revert back to the 60/7 or 70/8 rule. When someone drives 70 hours do you have to wait until midnight on the 8th day to gain time back to be able to start driving again?

    When you gain the time back, do you have the full 70 back, or do you have to start recycling time with no way to really reset?

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    Default Re: Can someone please clarify this for me... old 70/8 hos r

    Quote Originally Posted by Truckfam
    I know it would revert back to the 60/7 or 70/8 rule. When someone drives 70 hours do you have to wait until midnight on the 8th day to gain time back to be able to start driving again?
    Yes, and then you only gain back the hours you had from 8 days ago.

    When you gain the time back, do you have the full 70 back, or do you have to start recycling time with no way to really reset?
    With the old rules, what you did 8 days ago dictates what you can do today. Here's an example:

    Day 1. 3 hours
    Day 2. 10 hours
    Day 3. 10 hours
    Day 4. 10 hours
    Day 5. 7 hours
    Day 6. 10 hours
    Day 7. 10 hours
    Today. 10 hours

    Now, you have used up all 70 of your hours. Tomorrow, you have 3 hours available to you, because that's what you used 8 days ago. Assuming you use them all up, then the day after that, you'll have 10 hours available.

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    Thanks Rev. I sure hope you guys don't loose the 34 hour restart then.

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    The only good thing about the new hos is the 34 hour restart. I hope we keep it as well. If not, you will see truck stops selling a lot of extra log books. :wink:

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    downside to that is i see many more dot inspections to catch the ppl running 2 logs. of course if you run looseleaf (not saying I've ever done that) :wink:
    but I see looseleaf being the wave of the future.

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    Default Old 70/8 HOS

    As a rule of thumb, under the old HOS rules, if you log no more than 8.75 hours/day (lines 3 and 4), a driver will not run out of hours. Very necessary to know how to do recap. BOL

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    I started 13 years ago and I prefer not to have a forced 34 hr restart. It is not nice to have to sit for 34 hours in the middle of nowhere because a dispatcher doesn't trust that your addition is correct. The recap is absolutely necessary under the old laws. At midnight you get the hours back that you ran 8 days ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmegobye
    I started 13 years ago and I prefer not to have a forced 34 hr restart. It is not nice to have to sit for 34 hours in the middle of nowhere because a dispatcher doesn't trust that your addition is correct. The recap is absolutely necessary under the old laws. At midnight you get the hours back that you ran 8 days ago.
    Just to be clear here, you realize this is a policy YOUR company has. The FMCSA does NOT "require" or "force" a 34 hour reset.
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    hey golf. get in any rounds on the road

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    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo

    Just to be clear here, you realize this is a policy YOUR company has. The FMCSA does NOT "require" or "force" a 34 hour reset.
    No, the 34 hr restart is not a company policy.
    It is a provision (and part of the rules) of the HOS.
    Scroll down a bit, and you will find all the rules about the 34 hr restart.

    See this link for the scoop.
    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...#_Toc111021256
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    Quote Originally Posted by wanderingson
    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo

    Just to be clear here, you realize this is a policy YOUR company has. The FMCSA does NOT "require" or "force" a 34 hour reset.
    No, the 34 hr restart is not a company policy.
    It is a provision (and part of the rules) of the HOS.
    Scroll down a bit, and you will find all the rules about the 34 hr restart.

    See this link for the scoop.
    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...#_Toc111021256
    (c)(1) Any period of 7 consecutive days may end with the beginning of any off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours; or

    (c)(2) Any period of 8 consecutive days may end with the beginning of any off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours.
    As you can see it is not required.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wanderingson
    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo

    Just to be clear here, you realize this is a policy YOUR company has. The FMCSA does NOT "require" or "force" a 34 hour reset.
    No, the 34 hr restart is not a company policy.
    It is a provision (and part of the rules) of the HOS.
    Scroll down a bit, and you will find all the rules about the 34 hr restart.

    See this link for the scoop.
    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...#_Toc111021256
    I think you misunderstood me, Wanderingson. Cmegobye said something about HIS dispatcher FORCING him to sit for 34 hours in BFE because he didn't trust his math.

    He also said he'd been driving for 13 years, which I assume includes the recent period since the "OPTION" of a 34 hour restart was added to the HOS, and that he preferred NOT TO HAVE A FORCED 34 HOUR RESTART.

    In ALL my (and others') discussions here about the new HOS and the 34 hr restart, I have never heard anyone use the word "forced."

    IF he is being "forced" to take a 34 hr restart, it most certainly IS some kind of company policy.... cuz the regs certainly don't FORCE it.
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    It is not required that you take a 34 hour reset but it sure is nice to have when you have the weekend off to gain all your hours back.
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    As far as I was made to understand, you don't necessarily get the hours back that you worked 8 days ago. The math has to work out, 60 hours in 7 days or 70 hours in 8 days. DOT told me that its the math in hours and the days have nothing to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit102
    As far as I was made to understand, you don't necessarily get the hours back that you worked 8 days ago. The math has to work out, 60 hours in 7 days or 70 hours in 8 days. DOT told me that its the math in hours and the days have nothing to do with it.
    You always gain back the hours you worked 8 days ago. That is the math. Rev.Vassago gave the perfect example way back on Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:37 pm.

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    Default Re: Can someone please clarify this for me... old 70/8 hos r

    Quote Originally Posted by Truckfam
    My husband basically started when the new HOS rules came into effect. I was wondering about what happens when the 34 hour reset is eliminated.

    I know it would revert back to the 60/7 or 70/8 rule. When someone drives 70 hours do you have to wait until midnight on the 8th day to gain time back to be able to start driving again?
    At the present time...if the courts decision is upheld or implemented... what will more than likely occur is this:

    34 hour reset goes away.

    10 hour break stays.

    10 hour maximum driving time, unless a 10 consecutive hour break is taken.

    8 & 2 Split sleeper berth stays the same.

    70 hours in 8 days stays the same.

    When you gain the time back, do you have the full 70 back, or do you have to start recycling time with no way to really reset?
    Drivers will not recover all 70 hours unless they take off enough days to gain them back....that could mean 8 days straight off duty. Otherwise the hours will be regained at each midnight based on the recap when the hours of the 8th day fall off the recap when the following days log is prepared. The math sample that was shown previously was accurate.
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