Working after 14 hrs

[Ridge Runner]

I came off OTR in Oct. '05 and went local when the new HOS rules started so I didn't read up on them too much. Last night a co-worker and me were talking about HOS and he said you can't WORK past the 14. I said you can keep working past the 14 as long as you don't drive, but you MUST take the required 10 hr break before driving again. So tell me, did the rule change in '05 ?

[ben45750]

your right, you cannot drive past the 14th hour even if you have not used your 11 hours. You can work as long as you want and then you cannot drive until you get your 10 break.

[Jackrabbit379]

In Texas, running intrastate, you can work/drive an extra 2 hours once, for every 70 hour restart.
Not sure how other states are.

[chapchap70]

If you are a 100 mile radius driver and are interstate, you can use a 16 hour exemption once per duty tour. If you are an intrastate 100 mile radius driver, I believe the stricter of the state or federal laws apply. For example, New York allows driving up to the 15th hour after an 8 hours off duty as many times per duty tour as you can as long as you don't go over the 60/70 hour limit. So in New York the stricter of the two would be 15 hours once per duty tour after 10 hours off duty.

E-1. What is a "duty tour" as the term is used in Part § 395.1(o)?

The 16-hour exemption in § 395.1(o) is designed for one-day "duty tours." The duty tour is the interval between the time a driver comes on-duty and is released from duty on a daily basis. This period begins and ends at the driver's normal work reporting location and may only be used following 10 or more consecutive hours off-duty, 10 or more consecutive hours in the sleeper berth, or a combination of 10 or more consecutive hours off-duty and sleeper berth time.
E-2. If a driver is "on duty, not driving" during the 15th and 16th hour of his duty tour and does not drive after that, has he used the 16-hour exception in § 395.1(o)?

No. Example: If a driver was on duty 16 hours on Wednesday, but didn't drive after being on duty 14 hours, could the driver use the 16 hour extension on Friday and be allowed to drive after the 14th hour as long as all other conditions and regulations

(11-, 16-, and 60/70- hour rules) were met?

In this scenario, the driver may choose to use the 16-hour extension on Friday as long as the driver meets all of the requirements for the 16-hour exception outlined in Part § 395.1(o) and also remains in compliance with Part § 395.3(a)(1) and Part § 395.3(b). Although the 16 hours on-duty on Wednesday will count toward the driver's 60/70 calculations, the driver has not utilized the 16-hour exception unless the driver has actually driven after the 14 th hour.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...#_Toc111021251

[Cluggy619]

Too many exceptions to the 14 hour rule. Bosses keep getting them mixed up, and thinking that you can split it up with a 2 hour break. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are OTR, you have 14 hours to complete your day from which you start. So if you begin at 6:00 am, you got until 8:00pm to complete your 11 hours worth of driving. Is this correct?

[Uturn2001]

Yes.... You can not drive after the 14th hour since coming on duty until you take your break.

[golfhobo]

Too many exceptions to the 14 hour rule. Bosses keep getting them mixed up, and thinking that you can split it up with a 2 hour break. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are OTR, you have 14 hours to complete your day from which you start. So if you begin at 6:00 am, you got until 8:00pm to complete your 11 hours worth of driving. Is this correct?

Actually, there is only one exception besides the emergency/adverse condition one... which we won't discuss! :wink:

That one exception is the 8 hour sleeper berth break. So, your boss is mistaken, a 2 hour break doesn't extend it. And your example is correct UNLESS you split log and/or take an 8 hour S/B break within that 14 hours. If you do, then you add the hours in the sleeper (8 or more, but less than 10) to the ending point of your day.

One minor point that some miss is that, you CAN "stop the clock" with an 8 hour S/B break, and then shut down for a full 10 at the end of your "extended" day.

[Rev.Vassago]

Yes.... You can not drive after the 14th hour since coming on duty until you take your break.

Didn't someone already say this?

So if you begin at 6:00 am, you got until 8:00pm to complete your 11 hours worth of driving. Is this correct?

Yup. Unless you split the sleeper, and take the 8 consecutive hours first, in which case you have until 4:00 am to complete your 11 hours. Then you gotta take another 2, and can drive for 11 more hours minus the hours you drove on the other side of the 2 hour sleeper break.

And as far as the adverse driving conditions go, golfhobo, they don't extend the 14 hour clock. So there. :P

[golfhobo]

The Rev spoke:

And as far as the adverse driving conditions go, Your Royal Highness, golfhobo, they don't extend the 14 hour clock. So there. :P

Ooops!!! You're absolutely correct, Sir!! I was reading 14 hour and thinking 11 hour!! My BAD!!!

[Phreddo]

I had to agree to disagree with my dispatcher tonight about this.
i haul fuel, and i wanted to verify if i could log my post trip and fuel after the 14th hour as line 4. he said, no, it all had to be within 14 hours. I didn't say I disagreed, but I said, okay, i'll play it your way.
if these people wouldn't be running me 560 miles with a single 100 gallon tank every day, i wouldn't have to ask these kinds of questions :/
Also, i seem to use my 16 hour exception on a regular basis here, and i was trying not to have to use it for a 15 minute fuel stop. It's not like I picked the equipment or the load or the route, but yet I feel like I'm the one who has to take the heat.

[mike3fan]

I had to agree to disagree with my dispatcher tonight about this.
i haul fuel, and i wanted to verify if i could log my post trip and fuel after the 14th hour as line 4. he said, no, it all had to be within 14 hours. I didn't say I disagreed, but I said, okay, i'll play it your way.
if these people wouldn't be running me 560 miles with a single 100 gallon tank every day, i wouldn't have to ask these kinds of questions :/
Also, i seem to use my 16 hour exception on a regular basis here, and i was trying not to have to use it for a 15 minute fuel stop. It's not like I picked the equipment or the load or the route, but yet I feel like I'm the one who has to take the heat.

The dispatcher is wrong as far as HOS regs. are concerned, you can log as many hours you want on line 4 after the 14th hour you just can't drive or resume driving again until the 10 hour off duty time has been met. However you are probably right in playing it the way they want it, most saftey men in my experience only talk a good game they really don't know the rules as well as they should. And it usually isn't worth the effort to try to change their mind, I think it becomes an ego thing to them.

[Phreddo]

I've always taken it to mean they want to simplify their compliance system by not tweaking the edges. When I worked for schneider they told me they don't "honor" the split sleeper berth rule, for example.
as far as i'm concerned, I put legality and safety over company policies, if I have to make a choice. I also like to know my options in case I ever really get stuck.
These wisenheimers like to think they're clever by working against timestamps. For example, if i wait in line at a plant, but i haven't checked in, i can theoretically pencil out that wait time if i get in a jam later in the day.
My theory is that, if an investigator really wanted to get creative, it probably wouldn't be hard to simply map the movement of my cell phone throughout the day. as far as I'm concerned, i -always- have a timestamp.

[GMAN]

It is a good idea to either get a copy of the federal regulations or check them out on line. Most carriers provide a copy to all new recruits. You can find a current copy at most truck stops. It will pay any driver to familiarize themselves with the regulations from the ones who wrote them. That way you know for sure. I remember when these rules kept changing, even the DOT people didn't fully understand them. You could get a different answer from two different officers in the same state. If there is a question and you have your rule book then you will know whether you are in the right or not.

[Fredog]

from the fmcsa website
D. 14-HOUR DUTY PERIOD

D-1. May a driver be on duty for more than 14 consecutive hours?

Yes. A driver may remain on duty for more than 14 hours; however, the driver of a property-carrying CMV cannot drive after the 14th hour after coming on duty. Also, the additional on-duty time will be counted toward the 60/70-hour on-duty limit.