lines 4 and 2

[rickstephens]

ok my q is if i have been driving 3 hrs to start the day and i get to shipper for live ld when i get there i drop to line 4 say 15 mins to back up and then draw line up to line 2 sleeper for 2 hrs when im ready to leave then back to line 3 start driving again dont i get to use those 2 hrs spent in the sleeper to drive as long as its not past my 14--- ex start 7.30 am that starts 14, 15 min pta then drive 3 hrs line 3, 7.45dr till 10.45 total 3hrs driving arrive at the dock then go to line 2 sleeper. st to drive again at 12.45 i say i can now drive till 8.45 as long as i dont go past my 14 which would be 9.30. thanks

[thebaldeagle655]

ok my q is if i have been driving 3 hrs to start the day and i get to shipper for live ld when i get there i drop to line 4 say 15 mins to back up and then draw line up to line 2 sleeper for 2 hrs when im ready to leave then back to line 3 start driving again dont i get to use those 2 hrs spent in the sleeper to drive as long as its not past my 14--- ex start 7.30 am that starts 14, 15 min pta then drive 3 hrs line 3, 7.45dr till 10.45 total 3hrs driving arrive at the dock then go to line 2 sleeper. st to drive again at 12.45 i say i can now drive till 8.45 as long as i dont go past my 14 which would be 9.30. thanks

Unless you spend 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper it does not matter if you log sleeper or off-duty. Basically if you start at 7:30 am, you can drive only 11 hours during the next 14 hours. You can take as many breaks as you want during the day but you must stop driving at or prior to 9:30 PM. You can for instance, end your "driving" day at 9:30 PM and fuel after that time, load after that time, unload after that time, conduct inspections, maintenance or anything else you want to after the 14 hours. If it is logged as on-duty time however it does count towards your 70 hours and 10 consecutive hours must elapse after the last on-duty status of the day prior to driving again.

[tdriver1959]

hey rickstephenz:

you are okay with the example you have as you only drove for a total of 11 hrs. Just remember that you can only drive 11hrs in a 14 hour period of on duty.

[Uturn2001]

Rick, it sounds like you are over thinking things here and getting yourself confused.

In your example you are fine.

Just keep these things in mind:

A 10 hour break will reset your 11 and 14
Once you start your day, nothing stops the 14 hour rule.
Forget about split logging. It is pretty much worthless any more.

When at the dock, log what you were doing, but other than to account for your time, line 1 and 2 does not really mean anything if there is less than 10 consecutive hours total between the 2.

[rickstephens]

tk u everyone the reason i asked that q in the first place i know a trainer for a co he was telling me if a went to line 2 after bumping the dock i would have to count those hrs sitting towards my line 3. i thought he was nuts like everyone pointed out has long as i stay in my 14 for the day i can make up those hrs sitting at dock as long as they dont go over 14 and add up to 11 driving right and u a r u turn i think to much should have just let him talk and do it his way and i keep doing it mine thanks everyone and drive safe

[golfhobo]

tk u everyone the reason i asked that q in the first place i know a trainer for a co he was telling me if a went to line 2 after bumping the dock i would have to count those hrs sitting towards my line 3. i thought he was nuts like everyone pointed out has long as i stay in my 14 for the day i can make up those hrs sitting at dock as long as they dont go over 14 and add up to 11 driving right and u a r u turn i think to much should have just let him talk and do it his way and i keep doing it mine thanks everyone and drive safe

As far as your example, I think you are okay. But, it may not always work out that way. I can't help you further, although I am well versed in the HOS regs, because I don't speak whatever language you are using.

Please do NOT turn this board into some "text message platform" for those who can't speak and type English.

Best I can tell, you don't understand the HOS any better than you do English. You don't "make up" hours in this system.

But, no, sitting at a dock NEVER goes against line 3. But, if you sit there for 8 hours, you will run out of your 14 before you can drive 11.

Tk U, & gd lk kid.

[mike3fan]

If he sits there for 8 hrs,and assuming he is in the sleeper it stops his 14 hr clock

[rickstephens]

you know what hobo I'm not in the mood for yourrrrrrrrrrr s--t all i did was ask a question and your the only one whole can not understand what i was saying so can you understand this form of english KISS MY A.. hows that for english kid

[Dawn]

As usual all questions gets turned into an attack for some reason! Why? Golf: I do not see anywhere that he (original poster) made any rude comments to you. It seemeed he came on here to ask a geniune question. You then attacked him about his spelling/grammar. Again if you all can't understand this is a trucker website and you have all kinds of truck drivers. Yeah some can speak very well english and some can not. YOu have some that can type very well & some who can't. You should not judge someone on the biass of a computer unless they deserve to be judged that way.
If everyone on this board/thread would vistors more welcome I think there would be more left for discussion. THat's just MHO .

I can however attack several on this board for many reason, BUT I WON'T. I am not that low .

[ssoutlaw]

you know what hobo I'm not in the mood for yourrrrrrrrrrr s--t all i did was ask a question and your the only one whole can not understand what i was saying so can you understand this form of english KISS MY A.. hows that for english kid

It’s very hard to read your post, that’s what Hobo was referring to. You need to get a little closer to the right spelling, and make better use of grammar and punctuation!!!!

[ssoutlaw]

As usual all questions gets turned into an attack for some reason! Why? Golf: I do not see anywhere that he (original poster) made any rude comments to you. It seemeed he came on here to ask a geniune question. You then attacked him about his spelling/grammar. Again if you all can't understand this is a trucker website and you have all kinds of truck drivers. Yeah some can speak very well english and some can not. YOu have some that can type very well & some who can't. You should not judge someone on the biass of a computer unless they deserve to be judged that way.
If everyone on this board/thread would vistors more welcome I think there would be more left for discussion. THat's just MHO .

I can however attack several on this board for many reason, BUT I WON'T. I am not that low .

Be a good girl, youre no saint....lol

[rickstephens]

did not know i was in trouble withhhhhhhhhhhh duhhhhhhhh teabfm,her blah blah blahhhhh oops i mean t e a c h e r

[Rev.Vassago]

I can however attack several on this board for many reason, BUT I WON'T. I am not that low .

I nominate this for the most inaccurate statement of 2007.

[Dawn]

As usual all questions gets turned into an attack for some reason! Why? Golf: I do not see anywhere that he (original poster) made any rude comments to you. It seemeed he came on here to ask a geniune question. You then attacked him about his spelling/grammar. Again if you all can't understand this is a trucker website and you have all kinds of truck drivers. Yeah some can speak very well english and some can not. YOu have some that can type very well & some who can't. You should not judge someone on the biass of a computer unless they deserve to be judged that way.
If everyone on this board/thread would vistors more welcome I think there would be more left for discussion. THat's just MHO .

I can however attack several on this board for many reason, BUT I WON'T. I am not that low .

Be a good girl, youre no saint....lol

I know I am no saint, that is why I do not attack people for simple things. I read between the line, it challenges the brain anyhow .

I know a much funner & nicer place to hang out

[Rev.Vassago]

I know I am no saint,

I nominate this as the most accurate line of 2007.

that is why I do not attack people for simple things. I read between the line, it challenges the brain anyhow .

I nominate this as the second most inaccurate statement of 2007.

[tdriver1959]

sitting back eating popcorn.......................

[golfhobo]

If he sits there for 8 hrs,and assuming he is in the sleeper it stops his 14 hr clock

Mike3fan: U R A R!!! (you are absolutely right)

I MEANT to say UNLESS you sit there for 8 hours (or more) it will count against your 14!

[golfhobo]

you know what hobo I'm not in the mood for yourrrrrrrrrrr s--t all i did was ask a question and your the only one whole can not understand what i was saying so can you understand this form of english KISS MY A.. hows that for english kid

I didn't SAY that I couldn't understand what you were saying. I was just making a remark about your use of text message abbreviations. "u a r u turn" took me a minute!

But, I WAS a bit hard on you, and I apologize!

Have you seen the commercial where the girl and her mother are debating her phone or something, and it's ALL in text abbreviations? I actually think it is funny, but I don't want to see it replace English!

As IF it matters anymore.... I think what the trainer meant was that, unless you spend 8 hours or more on line 2, it is NOT considered a "break" in your 14, and therefore CAN limit the time you will have left to drive on line 3. Perhaps, he thought that YOU thought that ANY time shown in the sleeper COULD be "made up" or "used again" for driving.

Your example WAS a bit hard to follow, but your logic is sound if I understand your meaning of "made up." You DO seem to understand the HOS okay, and I was wrong to say otherwise.

Be safe driver.

[rickstephens]

thanks hobo guess i went off to fast myself was just tired had been away from home 7 weeks just way to much stress plus had just left one co and went to another so trying to learn there system . sometimes it just seems easier to cut words short plus the co wants us to cut short the words its just habit by now anyway be safe yourself

[golfhobo]

Also... I tend to forget that MOST drivers have to do alot of qualcomm comms. I send maybe 4-6 "macros" a week, almost NEVER requiring "comments." But, when I DO use comments.... I try to txt msg to shorten them as well.

I'm just an old putz who can't stand this whole "text this message to this number" crap that I keep hearing on TV. AND.... there was a thread on here a long time ago, about drivers texting family or friends, while DRIVING down the road!! Heck... I can't even SEE my keypad without my reading glasses on! :shock:

Good luck with the new job!