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  1. 04-27-2007 03:52 PM #1
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    Default Log books and Time Zones

    May be a dumb noob question but here goes. Say you start a trip in the Eastern Time Zone, stop in Central time zone for the night. Next days' start do you go by original zone or new? Say next day you are in Mountain Time. Possibility of losing 2 hours somewhere???????????? :?
    If you always do what you've always done, then you will always have what you've already gotten.
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    Default Re: Log books and Time Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by DragginMan
    May be a dumb noob question but here goes. Say you start a trip in the Eastern Time Zone, stop in Central time zone for the night. Next days' start do you go by original zone or new? Say next day you are in Mountain Time. Possibility of losing 2 hours somewhere???????????? :?
    You always go by the time zone of your home terminal, no matter what time zone you are in.
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    Default Re: Log books and Time Zones

    Quote Originally Posted by DragginMan
    Possibility of losing 2 hours somewhere???????????? :?
    even if you lose 'em, still gotta log 'em!
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    Yeah, you can gain 2 extra driving hours in California. :P


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    As previously posted, always log according to your home terminal time zone. You will not "lose" any time by going from one time zone to the other.

    Additionally, make sure that you log your fuel stops per your time zone, not the time on the receipt if it has one. The DOT auditor has a time zone chart and will figure this during the audit.
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    In 20 years I have never logged 15 minutes for a fuel stop and never was it mentioned by an officer in a dot inspection. Let me add I have been dot-ed in every state from ca. to boston hauling produce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jiptwoo
    In 20 years I have never logged 15 minutes for a fuel stop and never was it mentioned by an officer in a dot inspection. Let me add I have been dot-ed in every state from ca. to boston hauling produce.
    Not a roadside, the DOT safety audit. Company I worked for was hit with several "Log Falsification" violations recently due to the fuel stops not matching the logs. One particular driver was hit with 19 violations, $1100 each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiptwoo
    In 20 years I have never logged 15 minutes for a fuel stop and never was it mentioned by an officer in a dot inspection. Let me add I have been dot-ed in every state from ca. to boston hauling produce.
    It doesn't matter if you haven't gotten a citation for it - it's still wrong. It's considered on duty time, so it has to be logged. If it takes less than 15 minutes, then it has to be flagged.

    Just because DOT doesn't catch it at a roadside stop (which they only would if you produced fuel receipts), doesn't mean that it's legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
    Quote Originally Posted by jiptwoo
    In 20 years I have never logged 15 minutes for a fuel stop and never was it mentioned by an officer in a dot inspection. Let me add I have been dot-ed in every state from ca. to boston hauling produce.
    It doesn't matter if you haven't gotten a citation for it - it's still wrong. It's considered on duty time, so it has to be logged. If it takes less than 15 minutes, then it has to be flagged.

    Just because DOT doesn't catch it at a roadside stop (which they only would if you produced fuel receipts), doesn't mean that it's legal.
    Hey Rev, Have to ask since you mentioned "flagged".

    I was told in school you can "Flag" if it's less than 7 minutes, and if it's more than 7 minutes you have to "Log" 15 minutes.

    I don't start orientation until Monday, so If I don't see a reply by 10 am Sunday ( when I catch my plane ) guess I'll have to ask there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glasman2
    Hey Rev, Have to ask since you mentioned "flagged".

    I was told in school you can "Flag" if it's less than 7 minutes, and if it's more than 7 minutes you have to "Log" 15 minutes.

    I don't start orientation until Monday, so If I don't see a reply by 10 am Sunday ( when I catch my plane ) guess I'll have to ask there.
    They told you wrong. Anything less than 15 minutes can be flagged. That is EXACTLY what the FMCSA regs state.

    Question 1: How should a change of duty status for a short period of time be shown on the driver's record of duty status?

    Guidance: Short periods of time (less than 15 minutes) may be identified by drawing a line from the appropriate on-duty (not driving) or driving line to the remarks section and entering the amount of time, such as "6 minutes," and the geographic location of the duty status change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jiptwoo
    In 20 years I have never logged 15 minutes for a fuel stop and never was it mentioned by an officer in a dot inspection. Let me add I have been dot-ed in every state from ca. to boston hauling produce.
    Wonder what the capital of the state of Boston is??
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    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo
    Quote Originally Posted by jiptwoo
    In 20 years I have never logged 15 minutes for a fuel stop and never was it mentioned by an officer in a dot inspection. Let me add I have been dot-ed in every state from ca. to boston hauling produce.
    Wonder what the capital of the state of Boston is??
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    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo
    Quote Originally Posted by jiptwoo
    In 20 years I have never logged 15 minutes for a fuel stop and never was it mentioned by an officer in a dot inspection. Let me add I have been dot-ed in every state from ca. to boston hauling produce.
    Wonder what the capital of the state of Boston is??
    Not that far of a run from Canada to Boston :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaki86
    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo
    Quote Originally Posted by jiptwoo
    In 20 years I have never logged 15 minutes for a fuel stop and never was it mentioned by an officer in a dot inspection. Let me add I have been dot-ed in every state from ca. to boston hauling produce.
    Wonder what the capital of the state of Boston is??
    Not that far of a run from Canada to Boston :wink:
    I believe the CA was california I think we all know he did not mean boston was a state either!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumbo
    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo
    Quote Originally Posted by jiptwoo
    In 20 years I have never logged 15 minutes for a fuel stop and never was it mentioned by an officer in a dot inspection. Let me add I have been dot-ed in every state from ca. to boston hauling produce.
    Wonder what the capital of the state of Boston is??
    The state capitol of Boston is Orlando you silly goose. Everybody knows


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    Additionally, the company I work for now requires 30 minutes be logged for fuel since Comdata does not always post at the exact time the fuel was purchased. I think it sucks but with $1100 fines, I can see their point!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssoutlaw
    Quote Originally Posted by Malaki86
    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo
    Quote Originally Posted by jiptwoo
    In 20 years I have never logged 15 minutes for a fuel stop and never was it mentioned by an officer in a dot inspection. Let me add I have been dot-ed in every state from ca. to boston hauling produce.
    Wonder what the capital of the state of Boston is??
    Not that far of a run from Canada to Boston :wink:
    I believe the CA was california I think we all know he did not mean boston was a state either!
    CA is DEFINITELY California (Cali is a misnomer!) I don't think Canada is big enough to have an abbreviation!

    I found it best NOT to presume what we ALL know, Outlaw. There are alot of newbies here, and even more stupid veterans!

    As John McCain said: "I think y'all need to lighten up and get a life!"

    Besides, EVERYONE knows that Boston is the capital of New England!!

    Orlando is the capital of Cuba! (It used to be Miami.)

    3 points if you can tell me the capitals of South Dakota, New York, and Nevada. (don't cheat!)

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    [quote="golfhobo"]
    Quote Originally Posted by ssoutlaw
    Quote Originally Posted by Malaki86
    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo
    Quote Originally Posted by jiptwoo
    In 20 years I have never logged 15 minutes for a fuel stop and never was it mentioned by an officer in a dot inspection. Let me add I have been dot-ed in every state from ca. to boston hauling produce.
    Wonder what the capital of the state of Boston is??
    Not that far of a run from Canada to Boston :wink:
    I believe the CA was california I think we all know he did not mean boston was a state either!
    CA is DEFINITELY California (Cali is a misnomer!) I don't think Canada is big enough to have an abbreviation!

    I found it best NOT to presume what we ALL know, Outlaw. There are alot of newbies here, and even more stupid veterans!

    As John McCain said: "I think y'all need to lighten up and get a life!"

    Besides, EVERYONE knows that Boston is the capital of New England!!

    Orlando is the capital of Cuba! (It used to be Miami.)

    3 points if you can tell me the capitals of South Dakota, New York, and Nevada. (don't cheat!)

    Capitol of South Dakota is "S"
    Capitol of New York is "N"
    Capitol of Nevada is "N"
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