New log entries for those entering Canada

[mike3fan]

For those who travel to and thru Canada,new HOS rules bring changes in what we need to list on a log sheet

http://www.etrucker.com/apps/news/article.asp?id=55965

[ken_o]

thats nothing really new. i never realized we had to have 14 days backlog
how about the other direction (mexico)do they require a logbook at all?

[mike3fan]

nothing new?

run there alot, never had to list cycle I'm running,starting and ending odometer readings,total miles driven etc.

[ken_o]

i always have listed that, also listing plate num for truck and trlr on it .
have no plans to go their anymore so its all yours.

[allan5oh]

FYI this starts on jan 1st, with a bunch of other changes.

Some of those items are needed as we speak though.

[mike3fan]

which of those items are needed now?

I have been running across Canada for 7 yrs now and been thru more than my share of cvsa checks and never been asked for any of those.

[Soladad]

I've been running across Canada on occasion over the last few months. Never have been asked for my log book eventhough they have thrown the xray machine at the trailer.

Soladad

[allan5oh]

Beginning and ending mileage for the day, home terminal.

[Dawn]

Beginning January 1, 2007 there will be new requirments in Candada. I will update you with final information on around 12-7-06. I have a copy of the changes ( I will send them tomorrow) Iwill be going to a seminar and asking the questions if "I am a USA driver" what should I do!
Until then stick with what you have! Good night all! be safe!

[Uturn2001]

IMHO Canada and the US need to get on the same general page where HOS and log requirements are concerned.

This keeps up and it is going to be hard to find drivers willing to cross the border. Enough BS the way it is, especially trying to get back to your home country.

[allan5oh]

IMHO Canada and the US need to get on the same general page where HOS and log requirements are concerned.

This keeps up and it is going to be hard to find drivers willing to cross the border. Enough BS the way it is, especially trying to get back to your home country.

Fine by me, keeps the cross border rates up.

[mike3fan]

Beginning and ending mileage for the day, home terminal.

I am not saying you are not correct,but never been asked for beginning and ending milage in Canada.

[Dawn]

Mike:
Do you drive in Canada allot?
Do you put your beginning & ending odometer on your logs every day?
I am curious because we are adding it to the USA logs just in case the driver goes to Canada. MTO regulations says you must have the beginning and ending odometer(at least that is what I am told, and the way I read it)
I am curious to how picky the MTO officers really are. If you can give me some insight on the Canadian inspections.

I can't believe Canada could not say 34 hour restart instead of 36 to make it simple on "ALL DRIVERS" "LOG AUDITORS", now USA drivers must take a 36 hour break if they "might" go to Canada so they are under their regulations. It's just so confusing on "everyone"!

Have a great night and I hope all is OK!

[Porchclimber]

You are supposed to put you start and end mileage on your log in Canada.
If your load is going into Canada you should try to remember it.
They can't go back on any days that your miles were in the US.
It just needs to be there for the day(s) you are in Canada.

Here's a link to what should be on a Canadian log:
http://www.tdrc.ca/logbooks.html

I wouldn't be too quick to knock the Canadian logbook rules if I were you guys.
They're a lot better than the new US rules.

You can split your bunk time and you can switch from any schedule to the 120/14 hr rule.

I know the 120/14 would never fly in the US but I know everybody would be quite happy with Canadian HOS if you understand them.
All you really need to do is do your log as if you were in the US.
Most Canadian carriers whose major lanes are US miles never switch from logging by the US regs even while in Canada.

The new rules cut driving time to 12 hrs. day but I don't have a problem with that because I'm a firm advocate of less work and more pay.

The only heads up you need as an American driver is if you run the extra hours in Canada you need to make sure you have your ten off before you cross the border to go back to the US.

The only real difference is the start and finish mileage.
If your logbook has no place for it just write it somewhere.
I know lots of American guys that run lots of miles in Canada and they don't skip a beat.
Inspections are all the same.
CVSA is a standard applied across North America.
If your truck will pass inspection in the US it will pass inspection in Canada.
The only exception to this is the BC horsepower/weight law and the truck needs to have an engine brake.

It's no big deal but the 36 vs the 34 hr reset is one to watch though because as someone noted you will need to have 36 to make it count.
I was talking about that just the other day to a friend.

It doesn't make sense why they would make them different but the only reason I can think of is the rules are made up in the EAst end of the country so the march to a different drummer than the rest of the world.

That is a good point though, you should make sure you get a 36 reset but technically in Canada you wouldn't be out of hours anyhow because if you had 34 hours off you could be running the 120/14 in Canada which is perfectly legal for any US carrier.
When in Rome etc.

To qualify for the 120/14 in Canada you must have 24 hours off between your 0 and 75th hour.
The 24 hrs can be anytime eg: 2pm to 2pm.

This would allow you to still use your 34hrs for your US portion but you would be allowed up to 120 hours while in Canada and when you return to the US your reset would be valid.

Personally if it were me I would just take 36 rather than 34.
If you can sit for 34 hours, I'm sure 2 more won't hurt.

Don't feel bad.
This is what I have to go through all the time just to get back home.
Most of my round trips are over 8000 miles which puts a big strain on my calculator keeping my ducks in a row.

[yoopr]

They're a lot better than the new US rules

They always are

[Porchclimber]

Yeah, they are.
The new changes for Jan. are no big deal.
It's the US hours that are a little out of whack.
I used to love my afternoon nap.
That ten hours just doesn't make any sense to me at all.
Our warehouse is just 15 minutes from the border but if I get away after 6:00 pm (always happens, Murphy's Law and all that) the new hours in the US pretty much put you on a night shift for a few nights just to get somewhere and get that 10 hours.
I do a lot of East coast so I'm 3 hours out of the game before I start with the time difference from Pacific to Eastern.
It might not seem like much but when I get back home after a couple of weeks but my neighbors wonder about me at times.
I'm up at 2AM(my time) out on the deck having a coffee and cigarette (which I'm supposed to give up)
I just hate it when somebody else has to decide what's good for me.

[Dawn]

Porch I agree the Candadian regulations are more relaxed. I am only making a statement about the 34/36 hour rule I wish they would have did a 34 instead of 36? Also the fact of knowing all the regulations USA & Canadian, why can't we all agree and all have the same regs? I dont care
if we are all on Canada regs as long as they are the same! Vise Versa I don't care what regs we are on, I JUST WISH THEY WOULD BE THE SAME REGS. But they aren't so I must learn both so I can teach both. Grrr more talking I must do! l.o.l. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT!

[Porchclimber]

Just to add my two cents worth to that list in that etrucker site:

I don't think you have to committ to any particular duty cycle or do a recap because you are not out of hours until you have exhausted all schedules.

That fourteen days is a newsflash to me also but what the heck.
I have been DOT'd in every province in Canada and I have never been asked for 14 days.

The good folks at the BC scales can pretty much get a preacher to swearing and the good folks in California check with them when they need a new stupid rule but they have never once asked me for fourteen days and I never do a recap on my hours in my book.
I don't need to because I can add and to the best of my knowledge if you do a recap on a specific cycle you are committed to that cycle.

That's my two cents worth.
If it's in print that you need to present 14 days logs then so be it and the same as the duty cycle.
This is my own opinion
When I get a chance I'm going to check with the organ grinder on that.

[Dawn]

That fourteen days is a newsflash to me also but what the heck.
I have been DOT'd in every province in Canada and I have never been asked for 14 days.

If I understand correctly the 14 days is a new regulations coming out on 1-1-07. So USA drivers need to have the last 14 days before going into Canada.


I don't think you have to committ to any particular duty cycle or do a recap because you are not out of hours until you have exhausted all schedules.

I believe you do have to state which rule you are under at the time in Canada. I guess to identify you know the regulations? I am not sure :x

Just to add my two cents worth to that list in that etrucker site:

I don't think you have to committ to any particular duty cycle or do a recap because you are not out of hours until you have exhausted all schedules.
That fourteen days is a newsflash to me also but what the heck.
I have been DOT'd in every province in Canada and I have never been asked for 14 days.

The good folks at the BC scales can pretty much get a preacher to swearing and the good folks in California check with them when they need a new stupid rule but they have never once asked me for fourteen days and I never do a recap on my hours in my book.
I don't need to because I can add and to the best of my knowledge if you do a recap on a specific cycle you are committed to that cycle.

That's my two cents worth.
If it's in print that you need to present 14 days logs then so be it and the same as the duty cycle.
This is my own opinion
When I get a chance I'm going to check with the organ grinder on that.

I hope this turns out ok, first time I did Quote?

[Porchclimber]

I can specifically recall being DoT'd at the Hunter Creek Scale by Hope BC not that long ago and he kind of twitched when he looked at my log book because I had gone from Vancouver,BC, Omaha,NE, McPherson,KS,Kennesaw,GA,Duluth,GA,Bogart,GA,and two drops in Miami,FL pickup up inMiami,FL,then Tampa,FL,Cartersville,GA, St. Louis,Mo then ran up I-29 and crossed into Canada at Emerson,MB and then ran the TransCanada home which is about 1000 miles from Emerson.
He looked at my book and just about fell over because he really didn't expect to see all my side trips on there.
He started adding then asked me what schedule I was on (no recap) and I told him that I'm on whichever works at the moment.
He handed my logbook back to me and did a walkabout on the truck, commented about he would have preferred to see my inspection decal on the other side of the truck and sent me on my way.
By the way, I was totally legal.
That's the beauty of being able to switch schedules like that.