New log entries for those entering Canada

[Porchclimber]

This link has lots of examples and guidelines:

http://www.ccmta.ca/english/pdf/HoS_...er_28_2006.pdf

Surely there must be an easier way to earn a living.

[Porchclimber]

Pay attention to pages 45 onward.
It looks like they are going to be using different logs.
I didn't realize they were changing that part.
I'll see if I can get my hands on a new logbook.
At least they go to a lot of detail in those guidelines and give good examples.
I saved that file and I'll read it over when I'm thinking about a new line of work so it helps me make up my mind.

[mike3fan]

Mike:
Do you drive in Canada allot?
Do you put your beginning & ending odometer on your logs every day?
I am curious because we are adding it to the USA logs just in case the driver goes to Canada. MTO regulations says you must have the beginning and ending odometer(at least that is what I am told, and the way I read it)
I am curious to how picky the MTO officers really are. If you can give me some insight on the Canadian inspections.

I run over there about twice a month and have run there more frequently in the past,I have been thru about 5 inspections and it was my experence that the log book was not a top priority as long as it was current,not much checking of moves or distances or of back logs.

I have never put any odometer readings on my logs going thru Canada,thats why I was surprised for some to say it is needed on the log now.

One of our drivers did get busted 2 weeks ago because he was legal in the US but not legal in Canada because of the 34 hr reset,the fine was like $390.

[paul_saute]

Here are the log information requirements in Canada up to December 31st, 2006:

LOG BOOK

11. (1) Subject to subsection 14(1), a motor carrier shall require that a daily log be maintained by every driver who is employed or otherwise engaged by the motor carrier, and every driver shall, for that period of employment or engagement, maintain that daily log.
(2) The following information shall be entered in a daily log:

• (a) the date on which the day begins;
  (b) the name of the driver;
  (c) the odometer reading;
  (d) the total distance driven by the driver during the day;
  (e) the commercial vehicle licence-plate or unit number;
  (f) the name and the home terminal address or principal place of business of every motor carrier for whom the driver worked or by whom the driver was otherwise engaged during that day;
  (g) the name of the co-driver, if any;
  (h) the starting time of the day, where it is a time other than 12:00 midnight; and
  (i) the total hours spent in each period of duty status.

(3) A driver who maintains a daily log shall

• (a) enter the information required by subsection (2), other than that required by paragraphs (2)(d) and (i), in the daily log when the driver begins on-duty time; and
  (b) sign the daily log and certify that it is accurate.

(4) A driver who maintains a daily log shall complete the graph grid set out in Schedule I that is part of the daily log in accordance with the following procedures:

• (a) a continuous line shall be drawn between the appropriate time markers on the graph grid to record each period of the driver's duty status;
  (b) the name of the municipality or location on a highway and the name of the province or state where a change in duty status occurs shall be recorded, and the aggregate of all on-duty times, other than driving time, in such a municipality or location may be entered as a continuous line; and
  (c) the total hours of each period of the driver's duty status shall be entered to the right of the graph grid, which total must equal 24 hours.

(5) Every driver who, en route, has been issued supporting documents shall retain them to substantiate the information set out in the daily log and shall make them available for inspection on request.

As of January 1st 2007:

Content of Daily Logs
82. (1) At the beginning of each day, a motor carrier shall ensure that a driver enters legibly and the driver shall enter legibly the following information in the daily log:

• (a) the name of the driver and, if the driver is a member of a team of drivers, the names of the co-drivers;
  (b) in the case of a driver who is not driving under the provisions of an oil well service permit, the cycle that the driver is following;
  (c) the commercial vehicle licence plate or unit number;
  (d) the odometer reading of the commercial vehicle;
  (e) the name and the address of the home terminal of every motor carrier by whom the driver was employed or otherwise engaged during that day;
  (f) if the motor carrier or driver was not required to keep a daily log immediately before the beginning of the day, the number of hours of off-duty time and on-duty time that were accumulated by the driver each day during the 14 days immediately before the beginning of the day; and
  (g) if applicable, a declaration in the “Remarks” section of the daily log that states that the driver is deferring off-duty time under section 16 and that clearly indicates whether the driver is driving under day one or day two of that time.

(2) The motor carrier shall ensure that the driver sets out and the driver shall set out, in accordance with Schedule 2, the hours in each duty status during the day covered by the daily log as that information becomes known.
(3) At the end of each day, the motor carrier shall ensure that the driver records and the driver shall record the total distance driven by the driver that day and sign the daily log attesting to the accuracy of the information set out in it.

Fill out the grid as follows:
(a) for each duty status,

• (i) mark the beginning time and the end time, and
  (ii) draw a continuous line between the time markers;

(b) record the name of the municipality or give the location on a highway or in a legal sub-division and the name of the province or state where a change in duty status occurs;
(c) if the driver is engaged in making deliveries in a municipality that result in a number of periods of driving time being interrupted by a number of short periods of other on-duty time, the periods of driving time may be combined and the periods of other on-duty time may be combined; and
(d) enter on the right of the grid the total number of hours of each period of duty status, which total must equal 24 hours.

The above may be found at the following URL:
http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/20.../sor313-e.html

[mike3fan]

thanks for posting that.........my head hurts

[Dawn]

The re-cap is not required by DOT or MTO. But there is going to be a the new law in "Canada" that you have your last 14 days logs.
I have a sample of a new log for a USA driver that is going to stay under USA rules only. I also have a sample of a log with all the regulations added to it, but it is an actual companies log sheet, but to give you some idea.
I don't know a whole lot about the new regs on Canada, i do know it is just confusing to have so many sets of rules, I just wish we all could of come to some agreement to have everyone on the same rules! THAT WOULD MAKE LIFE EASY THOUGH! l.o.l.

Ok good nite!

[mike3fan]

are you gonna post a pic of the new log for Canada?

[Dawn]

I will do that tomorrow as long as I remember to send it home & I hope it does not have my companies name on it, but I don't believe it does.
I narrowed allot of things out of the one (the printing company) they said needed all the information but if you follow the USA rules you don't HAVE to write the info every day. Remember the only time you have to follow Canada law is when you are in Canada. So for 14 days prior to entering Canada you have to be in compliance, prior to 14 days you do not as long as you are in the US! I will TRY REALLY REALLY HARD to send that to my home from work tomorrow! HOw do I post it? I never have done that? I don't see a thing for attachment, do I just copy & paste the pic?

[allan5oh]

With the new changes, you wont be able to switch any more. That's the beauty of our system, at any given time you only have to be compliant with ONE of three cycles.

Basically, with the new system, the 120/14 cycle is completely useless. The "new" cycle of 70/7 is completely superior in every way. I think with the 120/14 cycle your reset is longer as well.

[Dawn]

The board won't let me post the picture? I can e-mail it, but I don't know how to e-mail from the board and I don't know who all wants a copy of it. Let me know how to get it to ya! [/img][/quote]

[paul_saute]

Mike3fan,

If you click this link then go down (about 2/3 of the page) to Schedule 2, you can see the new log:
:arrow:http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/20.../sor313-e.html

[bikerboy]

You must indicate every day on your log, which cycle you are under, you must take either 36 or 72 hours off to switch cycles.

You must have last 14 days of logs with you in canada. You must also have start and ending milage for everyday in canada.

Reset is 36 or 72 hours off duty, 36 for 70/7 cycle, 72 for 120/14 cycle

No driving after 16 hours have elapsed from the drivers most recent 8 consecutive hours offduty. The driver cannot drive again unless they take 8 consecutive hours off duty.

No driving after 13 driving hours have been accumulated.

No driving after 14 hours combined driving and on duty time have been accumulated

So i think the only legal sleeper split is 8 and 2.

There is also a way to defer 2 of the off duty hours to the next day. So you would only need 8 hours offduty today, and then require 12 hours offduty tomorrow!

A driver must have at least 10 hours off per day, (except for the deferral of 2 hours option!)

[paul_saute]

Here is NEW information on the Canadian and Québec hours of service regs:

:idea: Here is information concerning the Regulation respecting the hours of driving and rest of heavy vehicle drivers.

The new federal Commercial Drivers Hours of Service Regulations, published in the Canada Gazette Part II on November 16, 2005, came into force January 1, 2007. The regulations govern the operation of extra-provincial motor carriers (i.e. ‘federal’ carriers that operate between two or more Canadian jurisdictions or between Canada and the U.S.).

Furthermore, Québec’s draft regulation (French version only) was published comments in Vol. 50 of the Gazette officielle on the December 13, 2006 (p. 5741). The consultation period ended on January 27, 2007. You may acquire a copy of the regulations if you have a subscription or by purchasing the document from Publications Québec at a cost of $ 6.32 at the following URL: :idea: http://www2.publicationsduquebec.gouv.qc.ca/home.php.

Please visit our Internet site to view the table with main changes proposed in the draft regulation and to find out when the provincial regulation will come into force: :idea: http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/heavy/index.html.

Québec’s draft regulation is similar to the federal regulation that was published in Canada Gazette, part II at the following URL: :idea: http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/20.../sor313-e.html

You can find the CCMTA Application Guide (for the federal regulation) at this URL: :idea: http://www.ccmta.ca/english/producst...portcentre.cfm. You will also find a copy of the Transitional Hours of Service Enforcement Policy agreed to by all Canadian provincial and territorial jurisdictions.