Company Warned to Stop Drivers from Transmitting on 28 MHZ!

[ken_o]

the remarks were directed at truckdrivers markk9 imparticular
i dont care where you were born. allthough its appearent you seem to have some agenda with drivers instead of aggrevatiating the situation why dont you develop a highquality cb radio.
i would like the 4 watts to get as far as another truck using 30/100.
no ugly needle displays only digital read outs.
i want it to look like and be compact like the magnum 257.
get workin on it.
build it they will come.

[kc0iv]

RadioRay said:

What I'm talking about is not a SPECTRUM ANALYZER.

While a spectrum analyzer can due a lot of the work there is equipment better suited for this type of operation. I don't want to go into the details due to some of my precious employment contracts. But I can assure you there are better ways.

You said:

"Again, take ONStar and multiply it by a factor of 6 to 10."

Since President Clinton signed a executive order (May 1, 2000) all present GPS systems use the same signals. The military does have the ability to degrade signals on a regional area. Quoting from a website Here "Langley says the civilian GPS signal relies on a so-called " coarse/acquisition code" (c/a), which enables a receiver to determine the distance to the satellite. But the US military relies on the "precise code" (p).

The p code is transmitted over a much wider bandwidth than the c/a code explains Langley: "So you can jam the narrower c/a code without jamming the wider signal."

I can assure you RadioRay the FCC does not have any better receiver than ONStar.

Like I have said many times - The FCC is not going to spend a lot of manpower chasing down single trucker. I do see them going after more and more after the sources of these illegal radio and the people that do the mods.

Last point to another trucker's comment. I am a retired trucker. I hope it meets your complaint.

kc0iv

[ssoutlaw]

Southerner??? Look at my location on the left? I was BORN in Arkansas, fer heavens' sake!

Hey radioray, I guarantee you this you break a law every day. Maybe its 2 or 3 miles over the speed limit, maybe you don't do a complete stop at a stop sign or you might forget to signal to change lanes. and these things could really hurt someone. Maybe some se@ual act with your wife( I wont go into this but it is a law and you know what Im refering to) Everyone does it , so what makes it better for you to put someones life in danger on the road and then you want to stop someone from talking on 10 meter. One reason alot of us go to 10 meter is to escape the idiots on the regular CB channels. Don't get me wrong, I don't think anyone should be on freqs. that are used for fire, police, or military but everything else should be fair game. I don't think anyone should tell you you cant talk on your ham channels, its stupid. If you don't mess with emerg. or rescue or anything related to this then why do you need a license. This is a victimless crime and YOU have wasted so much space on this thread it is unreal! and I assure you this is not something that is high on the governments list to pursue, no matter what the law says!!!!!!!! I for 1 will always use my dx88 and you and no one else will do anything about it. GIVE IT A REST

[RadioRay]

[quote="ssoutlaw"]

Southerner??? Look at my location on the left? I was BORN in Arkansas, fer heavens' sake!

Hey radioray, I guarantee you this you break a law every day. Maybe its 2 or 3 miles over the speed limit, maybe you don't do a complete stop at a stop sign or you might forget to signal to change lanes. and these things could really hurt someone.
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I can't prove that I didn't . The only proof I can give is, I haven't had a speeding ticket in 26 years. Or a chargeable accident in almost 40. One bump in a parking lot not my fault.


Everyone does it , so what makes it better for you to put someones life in danger on the road and then you want to stop someone from talking on 10 meter. One reason alot of us go to 10 meter is to escape the idiots on the regular CB channels.
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OK, so if it "does no harm" then it should be OK for me to borrow your car while you are asleep. So long as I bring it back undented, that would be OK, right?

The use of 10 Meters is a LAME excuse. There are FORTY distinct and LEGAL channels, MOST, or many, of which are QUIET at any given time of day or night. ONLY a very FEW are used. *I* don't have a right or business borrowing your car without your permission and YOU have NO business on 10 Meters without "permission" which = the license. BOTH are against the law and will subject you to fines or even jail time. The rule of law is what makes it possible for society to function. When each individual decides that the law does not apply to him, chaos can result, and it is why there are penalties for breaking laws.



Don't get me wrong, I don't think anyone should be on freqs. that are used for fire, police, or military but everything else should be fair game. I don't think anyone should tell you you cant talk on your ham channels, its stupid. If you don't mess with emerg. or rescue or anything related to this then why do you need a license. This is a victimless crime
************************************************** ***********And you have no idea or expertise that gives credence to your position, not one clue! Why do you need a license to drive that truck? BECAUSE it shows that you have had SOME knowledge of the RULES and procedures for doing so. I have no CDL. Would you want me or just any jackleg out there beside you driving a big rig? (I did, however, drive in the 70's)Radio by its very nature has to have rules of the "road" in order to prevent interference and HARM to other users. IF you and your untrained friends had your way, the problems you have with those base stations truckers complain about would seem like a Sunday School lesson; you nor anybody else would be able to use a radio. Those hams STUDIED their rules, learned various levels of radio theory in order to obtain their privileges and they have EARNED those privileges so long as they obey the rules. You, OTH, probably went out to Joe's Truck Stop and CB Hack Shop, bought a radio, had someone install it FOR you and started yakking away. Many of US BUILT our OWN antennas and can repair our OWN equipment. Again, "Fair Game" would ensure that you wouldn't be able to talk a block away for all the RAMBO Radio types that would come out of the woodwork. In stark constrast, with the exception of a few bad apples, hams return the favor of using all those frequencies by providing disaster communications, spotting storms for the weather service and doing comm. work for Red Cross and other organizations, even assisting in Maritime Rescue of which there are MANY examples of sinking ships that have Amateur Radio to thank for the fact that people are walking the deck today.

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no matter what the law says!!!!!!!! I for 1 will always use my dx88 and you and no one else will do anything about it. GIVE IT A REST

Here we go again with the "I'm this big bad boy that drives this great big truck and can't nobody do anything with me". I've seen PLENTY of BIG, BAD CB radio types that tangled with FCC and the Federal Marshals and got a huge smackdown. Hams, too! For grins and giggles type in "Rabbit Ears and CB Radio" on Google He had that same attitude. Uh, he came to court in LEG IRONS, got $40,000 in fines AND 8 YEARS in jail. He did all sorts of begging when they popped him Did no good.

Keep believing "I'm gonna keep talking on 10 Meters" and see what happens!! Indeed, don't take my word for it, I wouldn't WANT you to do that. Just wait! Just wait and see. I talked to 'the man' today. The Feds are typically slow, but there IS something in the works. We will see who does the laughing when it does! :wink: Remember: the snake that is in the bushes doesn't necessarily rattle before it strikes. FCC is in those bushes and WILL strike: I've been assured of that!

OH! You can call him yourself! It isn't a secret.

1-717-338-2502 Call it and see who that is.

Drive Safe now, Ten-four?

RR

[century451]

Well not exactly victimless crime talking on 10 meters and not being licensed. The FCC is always looking for bandwidth to reallocate. The licenses lets them keep track of how many Hams are licensed for each spectrum as well interest in future Hams that are upgrading. They even made it easy for you to get licensed by dropping the code requirement. Its one of those use it or lose it type things. So if it isn't used or is used improperly it will be targeted by other government agency's or business interests then the rules of the game will become much more serious.

Personally myself...I could care less what you do in your truck with your CB. But when you bust into my DX....that's a different story. I earned the right to be legal and operate in that bandwidth by being licensed. If you haven't earned the same privilege, you don't belong there. As for the FCC doesn't have the money to prosecute.......they have a lot of money and you pay it.... they use lawyers that work for the government.

Ray.... you are wasting energy and oxygen on folks that just want to yank your chain. No matter what you say they will throw the same garbage at you.

[ssoutlaw]

[quote="RadioRay"]

Southerner??? Look at my location on the left? I was BORN in Arkansas, fer heavens' sake!

Hey radioray, I guarantee you this you break a law every day. Maybe its 2 or 3 miles over the speed limit, maybe you don't do a complete stop at a stop sign or you might forget to signal to change lanes. and these things could really hurt someone.
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I can't prove that I didn't . The only proof I can give is, I haven't had a speeding ticket in 26 years. Or a chargeable accident in almost 40. One bump in a parking lot not my fault.
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You are missing the point, you know you have broken the law in some way, but yet no one can use your channels. 30 years driving a truck and only 5 tickets for the number of miles I have driven. I'm 50 and never had a accident.
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Everyone does it , so what makes it better for you to put someones life in danger on the road and then you want to stop someone from talking on 10 meter. One reason alot of us go to 10 meter is to escape the idiots on the regular CB channels.
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OK, so if it "does no harm" then it should be OK for me to borrow your car while you are asleep. So long as I bring it back undented, that would be OK, right?
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No I would break your Farkin neck, now that's apples ond oranges. Stay on topic
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The use of 10 Meters is a LAME excuse. There are FORTY distinct and LEGAL channels, MOST, or many, of which are QUIET at any given time of day or night. ONLY a very FEW are used. *I* don't have a right or business borrowing your car without your permission and YOU have NO business on 10 Meters without "permission" which = the license. BOTH are against the law and will subject you to fines or even jail time. The rule of law is what makes it possible for society to function. When each individual decides that the law does not apply to him, chaos can result, and it is why there are penalties for breaking laws.
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Lets see most drivers don't have 10 meter so it is easier to hide from the trash!!!!
Stealing a car and talking on 10 meter are 2 different things. The airwaves DON'T belong to YOU!!!!!!!
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think anyone should be on freqs. that are used for fire, police, or military but everything else should be fair game. I don't think anyone should tell you you cant talk on your ham channels, its stupid. If you don't mess with emerg. or rescue or anything related to this then why do you need a license. This is a victimless crime
************************************************** ***********And you have no idea or expertise that gives credence to your position, not one clue! Why do you need a license to drive that truck? BECAUSE it shows that you have had SOME knowledge of the RULES and procedures for doing so. I have no CDL. Would you want me or just any jackleg out there beside you driving a big rig? (I did, however, drive in the 70's)Radio by its very nature has to have rules of the "road" in order to prevent interference and HARM to other users. IF you and your untrained friends had your way, the problems you have with those base stations truckers complain about would seem like a Sunday School lesson; you nor anybody else would be able to use a radio. Those hams STUDIED their rules, learned various levels of radio theory in order to obtain their privileges and they have EARNED those privileges so long as they obey the rules. You, OTH, probably went out to Joe's Truck Stop and CB Hack Shop, bought a radio, had someone install it FOR you and started yakking away. Many of US BUILT our OWN antennas and can repair our OWN equipment. Again, "Fair Game" would ensure that you wouldn't be able to talk a block away for all the RAMBO Radio types that would come out of the woodwork. In stark constrast, with the exception of a few bad apples, hams return the favor of using all those frequencies by providing disaster communications, spotting storms for the weather service and doing comm. work for Red Cross and other organizations, even assisting in Maritime Rescue of which there are MANY examples of sinking ships that have Amateur Radio to thank for the fact that people are walking the deck today.
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I have a license because I am involved with the public safety, you talking on 10 meter in no way will hurt anyone.
Just because you have a CDL doesn't mean you know what you are doing, this forum and many others have a lot of yahoos who think they know what they are doing. The ham world is probably the same. I think the problem most people have with your posts is your way of putting things, like your some kind of pre law fcc guy. In other words, go carry your torch some where else.
The good thing with the power like some drivers radios have is we are usually closer to each other so your base stations don't bother us!!
I don't think a blow heart like you has saved anyone from anything, your to busy on a trucking forum playing GOD!!!
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no matter what the law says!!!!!!!! I for 1 will always use my dx88 and you and no one else will do anything about it. GIVE IT A REST

Here we go again with the "I'm this big bad boy that drives this great big truck and can't nobody do anything with me". I've seen PLENTY of BIG, BAD CB radio types that tangled with FCC and the Federal Marshals and got a huge smackdown. Hams, too! For grins and giggles type in "Rabbit Ears and CB Radio" on Google He had that same attitude. Uh, he came to court in LEG IRONS, got $40,000 in fines AND 8 YEARS in jail. He did all sorts of begging when they popped him Did no good.

Keep believing "I'm gonna keep talking on 10 Meters" and see what happens!! Indeed, don't take my word for it, I wouldn't WANT you to do that. Just wait! Just wait and see. I talked to 'the man' today. The Feds are typically slow, but there IS something in the works. We will see who does the laughing when it does! :wink: Remember: the snake that is in the bushes doesn't necessarily rattle before it strikes. FCC is in those bushes and WILL strike: I've been assured of that!

OH! You can call him yourself! It isn't a secret.

1-717-338-2502 Call it and see who that is.

Drive Safe now, Ten-four?

RR

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You know most people will say anything and expect everyone on the forum to believe it. Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. what gets me is you have the nerve to come to a drivers forum and cast stones like you are Jesus Christ (you know like you are so perfect) you really missed my point
You are trying to use this as scare tactics, and I don't think its working. You prob. think the government is still hiding UFOs in new Mexico...lol
I really cant believe they have let this thread go on this long!!
This is what the fuss is all about and you misinterpreted it. He was a base station agitator jamming the airwaves, not 2 drivers having a conversation, you idiot!!

This is what the story said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: Jerry Oxendine - view profile
Date: Sat, Jun 22 2002 6:29 pm
Email: "Jerry Oxendine" <joxe>
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> In response to those who think that "they" can't or won't get into trouble

for operating
outside the 40 CB channels. Receive a warning, then another, and another,
and this
is what can happen. Believe it or not, they are, indeed, BACK. Read below
the con-
tinuing saga of "Rabbit Ears", the Florida CBer who wouldn't heed the
warnings.

J
> From: "ARRL Web site" <memberl>
> Date: 2002/06/20 Thu PM 04:09:19 EDT
> To: kd4...@bellsouth.net
> CC: Subscribed ARRL Members: ;
> Subject: ARLX003 Florida Man convicted of deliberate interference, unlicen
> sed operation

> SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX003
> ARLX003 Florida Man convicted of deliberate interference, unlicensed
> operation

> ZCZC AX03
> QST de W1AW
> Special Bulletin 3 ARLX003
> From ARRL Headquarters
> Newington CT June 20, 2002
> To all radio amateurs

> SB SPCL ARL ARLX003
> ARLX003 Florida Man convicted of deliberate interference, unlicensed
> operation

> A Florida Citizens Band enthusiast accused of jamming Amateur Radio
> operations and transmitting without a license was convicted in
> federal court June 19 on eight misdemeanor counts. Willam Flippo of
> Jupiter was found guilty of four counts of operating without a
> license and four counts of deliberate and malicious interference.
> Federal District Court Judge Daniel T.K. Hurley noted that, while
> the charges were misdemeanors, it was important that the amateur
> airwaves be free of interference in the event of an emergency. He
> ordered that Flippo remain in custody and undergo a psychiatric
> evaluation prior to sentencing.

> The prosecutor in the case, Neil Karabdil, credited members of the
> Amateur Radio community with bringing Flippo to justice. The list
> included ARRL 1999 ARRL International Humanitarian Award winner Ed
> Petzolt, K1LNC, who helped the FCC gather evidence in the case; Bert
> Morschi, AG4BV; Palm Beach County Emergency Coordinator Dave
> Messinger, N4QPM; and Chuck Mulligan, N4SDW.

> ''This is a very good day for Amateur Radio, and a very good day for
> justice,'' Petzolt said following the trial. ''Let the word go out
> that we will not tolerate this sort of thing on our frequencies, and
> you will be caught.'' Petzolt cited local amateurs and the efforts of
> the FCC, including Special Counsel for Enforcement Riley
> Hollingsworth ''and everyone else who kept the faith,'' for helping to
> bring the case to a successful conclusion.

> ''Never give up and never surrender,'' Petzolt advised those facing
> similar malicious interference situations. ''If you do, they win.''

> According to Petzolt, who testified in the trial, Flippo primarily
> had targeted the Jupiter Tequesta Repeater Group for jamming and
> regularly interfered with amateur operations, especially on 10 and 2
> meters, over an approximately three-year period. Following up on the
> amateurs' complaints, personnel from the FCC's Tampa District Office
> visited the Jupiter area at least twice in 1999 and reported
> tracking the offending signals to Flippo's residence.

> Federal authorities arrested Flippo in July 2000. The criminal
> charges of which he now stands convicted covered violations
> allegedly committed between June 1999 and April of 2000. The
> defendant already faces a $20,000 fine levied in 1999 for
> unlicensed operation, willful and malicious interference to Amateur
> Radio communications, and failure to let the FCC inspect his radio
> equipment.

> Hurley said he was worried that Flippo might not return to court for
> his sentencing hearing and ordered him returned to jail. Flippo
> reportedly hung his head after the jury returned a guilty verdict on
> the second count. He had no comment for a reporter as he was led
> back to jail.

> Sentencing could take place in about a month. According to the FCC,
> Flippo faces a maximum penalty of eight years in prison--one year on
> each count. He also faces up to $80,000 in fines.

[ken_o]

thats great now a man playing on the radio will waste away in a cell or go broke from wage garnishments what a fing country violent offenders go free while radio heads end up in the pen.
i think this al a bunch of bs when a trucker is annoying other people most all of the time its other truckers we have are own way of dealing with it mayb a cut coax, anyone ever done that?

[jjh1001]

Well if ya wanna talk on 10 meter then just make up a callsign right?? just start with a "K" and no one will care

[kc0iv]

Well if ya wanna talk on 10 meter then just make up a callsign right?? just start with a "K" and no one will care

Or you could get a license and do it right. With the present state of ham radio it shouldn't take more than a week to get a license.

Second problem with your idea is knowing what a legal ham call is and what freq. you can use. Get either one wrong and you stand-out like a sore thumb.

kc0iv

[Doctor Who]

I really cant believe they have let this thread go on this long!!

A very good observation. It is time to put this topic to bed!!!

Ray, as much as it pains me to type this, it is time to put the 28 MHz debacle to rest. No one is listening and if it was a real important matter for the FCC something would have been done years ago when the "illegal" radios came on the market. Yet, nothing has happened. The radios are still for sale in truck stops all over the country and can be found on EBay!!!

The threat of FCC action is MOOT.... The organization is still pissed over Janet Jackson's stunt at a lame super bowl half time show!!!

It will only be a matter of time when the Sinful Radio will become a thing of the past and another group will get their GONADS in an uproar over something like "Pirate" GPS systems...

The dude in Florida is but a mere speck of justice and as someone mentioned he was a HOUSEBOUND operator... It'll be much more difficult to corral "RENEGADE" mobile operators!!!

What it gets down to is... To Each Their Own.. It'll never change!!!