Need some opinions on this company's rates and so on.

[Super 8]

Okay, I contacted RoadLink and asked the girl if she would send me some info on their rates, and insurance and so forth. I'd like to get some feedback from experienced O/O's on this.

She sent me a rate schedule. For example:
0-5 miles, loaded leg is $49.20, empty or bob is $32.80.

It graduates upward till you get to 151+ miles which is $1.16 per mile loaded and .95 empty.

In addition there is a fuel supplemental schedule in which the carrier reimburses the for a portion fuel expense.
For example: If fuel cost is $3.01 to 3.09 and leg is over 151mi it's 24.68%.

There is also some toll reimbursement and detention time for over 2 hrs. Is this pretty standard? I honestly didn't expect any of this. I figured it's your truck, you're hauling the load, this the rate per mile, the rest is up to you.

What kind of questions should I be asking and things should I be looking for as I evaluate all of this?

Thanks.

[Musicman]

So at the 151+ mile mark, you'd be making $1.44 at the fuel surcharge rate you listed. I assume that the fuel surcharge does not apply when deadheading. Let’s assume that your deadhead is fifteen percent. That would make your pay, empty and loaded on 1000 miles (850 loaded and 150 empty) would be under $1.37 a mile. You didn’t mention any fees they don’t cover or other benefits they offer. I started a thread about what questions to ask a potential employer. The link is below:

Perspective Carrier Interview

There is so much more to your compensation than just that pay per mile and the rate.

[tazgunny]

Are they paying for fuel, insurance and maintence? If so thats not bad. Otherwise I wouldn't touch it for less than $2.00/ mile and a $1.10 empty. A good way to look at it is this. A truck payed for needs $58.75/ hour @ 55mph average @$3.299/ gallon @ 6.5mpg to pay for fuel, insurance and maintence or $1.06/mile and you the driver make $0.00. With that said. We as owner operators need to somehow NOT take loads for less than cost of doing business. And educate these brokers and shippers we to are business people and need to make a profit as well. Just so you know @ that milage thats only $19.80/ hr of drive time only. Not sitting @ a dock.

[TaylorTrucking]

I know a few guys leased to Roadlink and they do pretty good rates aren't the best BUT they are recession proof no forced dispatch Terminals everywhere OTR and LOCAL runs If your truck is paid for and your not lazy you'll be ok if you have a truck payment be prepared to go the extra mile to make it work if you know your operating cost and you'll be ok. and also you need a twik card to lease on with them.

[Steel Horse Cowboy]

Their pay scale sounds the avg for a Chicago based rail outfit. Just be weary of their plates/insurance premiums they will make you pay, plus the escrow account they may want you to have.

have you put any thought into running a tanker? If your interested, get ahold of me and I can get you in contact with a guy in Markham who runs a terminal and does dedicated, OTR and local work in the area.

[Fredog]

since I made friends with Steve Booth I average 16 bucks a mile, I dont move for less than 15

[Steel Horse Cowboy]

since I made friends with Steve Booth I average 16 bucks a mile, I dont move for less than 15

LOL...... classic

[Musicman]

Are they paying for fuel, insurance and maintence? If so thats not bad. Otherwise I wouldn't touch it for less than $2.00/ mile and a $1.10 empty. A good way to look at it is this. A truck payed for needs $58.75/ hour @ 55mph average @$3.299/ gallon @ 6.5mpg to pay for fuel, insurance and maintence or $1.06/mile and you the driver make $0.00. With that said. We as owner operators need to somehow NOT take loads for less than cost of doing business. And educate these brokers and shippers we to are business people and need to make a profit as well. Just so you know @ that milage thats only $19.80/ hr of drive time only. Not sitting @ a dock.

Hmmmmm. I run under my own authority and my average cost per mile for fuel, including reefer ($.43); insurance -- Physical Damage on tractor and trailer, Primary Liability, Cargo --($.045); maintenance on tractor and trailer including tires (< $.12). That equals $.595 per mile. Even if you throw in my truck and trailer payments ($.13), that brings the total up to $.725 per mile for those expenses you listed and two big ones you didn't. Admittedly, I'm pretty good at what I do (I also run about 180k miles a year) and that keeps my per mile expenses down, but are you really saying that you are spending $.465 a mile MORE on the few expenses you listed than I am? Really? I mean is there a cocaine or heroin or meth habit you're supporting or what? Anyone whose expenses are as high as you stated (heavy haul notwithstanding) should reevaluate what they're doing.

[Fredog]

had a load yesterday, went 51 miles. paid me $423.00 took about 4 hours total, anyway you slice it, that's pretty good money in my opinion (which is the only one that matters)

[td5952]

had a load yesterday, went 51 miles. paid me $423.00 took about 4 hours total, anyway you slice it, that's pretty good money in my opinion (which is the only one that matters)

Yeah that sounds good to me. $105.75/hour. I am a flatbedder and been hauling crushed cars (my own, but pay truck just as any other hired truck would be) and it has been paying ok. I just deadhead back to get more. Round trip is like 240-250 miles. Last load was $556.40. Last week I made ten of these, 2x a day (loaded night before so can be there when place opens). I cant complain think equaled $5,302 (paid per weight so each load varies). 10 round trips=2400-2500 miles, thats $2.12 a mile average so can't complain at all. Unfortunately that place didn't raise prices like other place I sell to in Midlothian TX so I am going there now.

[Super 8]

Steel Horse,
I hadn't considered pulling a tanker. I don't have the endorsement. All I've ever done is run flats so I'd have some learning to do and fullfill whatever requirements there are for the endoresment. Is the gig in Markham worth looking into?

Perspective Carrier Interview

Thank you. I needed something like this.

[tazgunny]

Not sure who your trying to fool. But at your math. you would have to average 62 mph for exactly 11hrs a day of drive time w/ no stops for fuel a piss or eat. Unless your the only driver in the US that gets loaded and unloaded in less than 3 hrs and has a rock solid no interuption load both ways. BTW theres 8760 hrs in a year w/ 1872 hrs dedicated to the 36hr rule/ 3650 to the 10 hour rule and 2860 hrs of legal drive time which comes to 8382 hrs. I think you need a new calculator. Oh I do heavy haul and very high end eletronics. And I like to eat and pee and stop for fuel. I am realistic NO One gets loads like that and no one never dead haeads which drives your cost way up. Be real to yourself.

[KKtrucking]

What kind of questions should I be asking and things should I be looking for as I evaluate all of this?

Thanks.

Super 8..,What they say and what they do are 2 different things, your best bet would be to find 2-3 guys who work for them NOW and get the real story. "They say they pay "detension time" BUT is it one of those deals "When we get paid, you'll get paid"? If there's paperwork to sign READ it all. Because at the end of the day it says it all. If you see something you don't like CROSS IT OUT, and see what happens.

[td5952]

Not sure who your trying to fool. But at your math. you would have to average 62 mph for exactly 11hrs a day of drive time w/ no stops for fuel a piss or eat. Unless your the only driver in the US that gets loaded and unloaded in less than 3 hrs and has a rock solid no interuption load both ways. BTW theres 8760 hrs in a year w/ 1872 hrs dedicated to the 36hr rule/ 3650 to the 10 hour rule and 2860 hrs of legal drive time which comes to 8382 hrs. I think you need a new calculator. Oh I do heavy haul and very high end eletronics. And I like to eat and pee and stop for fuel. I am realistic NO One gets loads like that and no one never dead haeads which drives your cost way up. Be real to yourself.

Not sure if directed at me but yes I did do this. They were my own crushed cars and I yes I take about 45 min to load and 30 to unload. Yes I had to manipulate logs some but I did do. Most of the time when I loaded at night guys at my shop loaded and chained, I checked over on pretrip. There was no room for any delays because I wouldn't have made it. Luckily I was lucky. Only was I made this happen was to be at point of delivery when they opened.

[Mackman]

I wouldnt run a pick-up truck for the rates roadlink are paying.

[Super 8]

I wouldnt run a pick-up truck for the rates roadlink are paying.

What sort of rates are you getting?

[Mackman]

Well i own a tri/axle dump truck so i dont get paid on miles. All my work is by the hr or ton. I go around 35miles one way and get 6.85 a ton. Truck hauls 24.30 ton. But i dont always leave right at gross. So about 23.5. So around 160.00 a load. have to deadhead back. So about 2.28 a mile. Not the best. But there is never any waiting at all. Dump the load and roll back for another. When i haul blacktop that is all hourly at 77/hr.

Roadlink is always looking for trucks so that throws up a red flag to me. Now i see why. Good luck to you.

[Musicman]

Not sure if directed at me but yes I did do this. They were my own crushed cars and I yes I take about 45 min to load and 30 to unload. Yes I had to manipulate logs some but I did do. Most of the time when I loaded at night guys at my shop loaded and chained, I checked over on pretrip. There was no room for any delays because I wouldn't have made it. Luckily I was lucky. Only was I made this happen was to be at point of delivery when they opened.

I don't know what you guys are talking about. Every pickup and delivery I do (and fuel stop, too) takes exactly 15 minutes. That is unless it's one of those places that puts arrival and departure times on the bills. For some reason, those ALWAYS seem to take longer.

[Musicman]

Not sure who your trying to fool. But at your math. you would have to average 62 mph for exactly 11hrs a day of drive time w/ no stops for fuel a piss or eat. Unless your the only driver in the US that gets loaded and unloaded in less than 3 hrs and has a rock solid no interuption load both ways. BTW theres 8760 hrs in a year w/ 1872 hrs dedicated to the 36hr rule/ 3650 to the 10 hour rule and 2860 hrs of legal drive time which comes to 8382 hrs. I think you need a new calculator. Oh I do heavy haul and very high end eletronics. And I like to eat and pee and stop for fuel. I am realistic NO One gets loads like that and no one never dead haeads which drives your cost way up. Be real to yourself.

You really should make it clear who you are referring to in your posts. If you click on the "reply with quote" button it will reference the text of the poster you are replying to. I'm guessing that you might be referring to my previous post where I stated that I run about 180k miles a year. Actually, last year, we ran 196k miles and were still home 111 days. In the past, I’ve had years as a company driver where I personally drove close to 250k miles (no, not legally). Things have certainly changed since then, but it is still possible for a solo driver to legally run 180k miles. You’d need to run coast to coast and have a truck that can run the speed limit out west, but it is certainly still doable without cheating on your log.