CARB is at it again....

[BigDiesel]

I wonder how kalifornia will get its freight ??


http://truckinginfo.com/news/news-de...category_id=20

[BlooMoose]

CA has a lot of agency "Boards". I used to hate it when I was working out there. I couldn't even complete a well without haven't the Air Quality Management Board and 4000 water boards present...especially in Santa Clara county. The cost of environmental clean-up there seemed to be 75% permit fees up front. It would be different if they would communicate with all the other boards that regulate the same thing/type of thing. I wonder what a paperwork cluster fark it's gonna be to get a grant or anything else. Good...more money for attorneys!!! I need to get an environmental law degree.

[Orangetxguy]

Maybe all the trucking companies will set up transfer areas along the Kalifornia border. All trucks could stop at the border, and all the freight can be transferred to Conestoga wagons. Instead of steel wheels, they can be equiped with rubber wheels, and the oxen that are used to pull the wagons can wear diapers.


Wouldn't want them Pooing on the concrete would we??

[boneebone]

yeah, maybe

[fdmax]

The ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles have launched a Clean Trucks Program that will reduce air pollution from harbor trucks by more than 80 percent within five years.

Beginning October 1, 2008, pre-1989 trucks will be banned. The program progressively bans all trucks that don't meet 2007 emission standards by 2012. To finance the $2 billion truck replacement program, the ports will levy on loaded containers ($35 per loaded twenty-foot equivalent unit) also beginning October 1, 2008. (Beginning January 2009, the ports will also collect a separate, $15 per TEU cargo fee to finance $1.4 billion in roadway, rail and bridge projects.)

The Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach (the Ports) are seeking applications for the 2008 Goods Movement Emissions Reduction Program. Under this Proposition 1B program, port truckers who own qualifying trucks are eligible to receive up to $50,000 in state funds to partially fund the replacement of their older trucks.

California Truck Pollution Regulations
The California Air Resources Board has two regulations designed to reduce heavy truck pollution, one that would require diesel exhaust filter retrofits and the other that would require the use of EPA SmartWay-approved equipment.

The first proposed regulation will require truck owners to install diesel exhaust filters on their rigs starting in 2010, with nearly all vehicles upgraded by 2014. Owners must also turn over engines older than the 2010 equivalent according to a staggered implementation schedule between 2012 and 2022.

The rules are expected to impact more than 400,000 trucks registered in the state, as well as about 500,000 out-of-state vehicles that do business in California.

Early Compliance Grants
Retrofit funds are available now for early voluntary compliance ahead of the deadline.

Contact Ironman.com for assistance in applying for grant funding to offset retrofit costs.

Proposed regulation includes: medium & heavy duty diesel vehicles 14,000 GVWR and higher: trucks, buses, cranes, yard trucks, plus all vehicles not covered under another rule.
Applies to all abovementioned vehicles registered in California AND any abovementioned out-of-state vehicles that enter into California.

[Pirate]

Wouldn't want them Pooing on the concrete would we??

Need a permit for that.

[GMAN]

I would like to know how they expect truckers to pay for all of those pollution add ons? No wonder California is in such financial straights. From reading the article it seems that trucks cause all of the pollution in the state. Cars apparently do not add to any pollution. I think those politicians have advanced degrees in stupid.

[allan5oh]

Trucks have a much more significant impact on pollution in California, because of our diesel engines. Diesel engines are also much harder to bring down smog forming pollution levels on (NOx).

[allan5oh]

Here's a good example:

Take a new prius, a 1998 model truck, and a 2010 model truck.

Emissions standards for cars and heavy trucks are different, cars are rated in grams per km, trucks are rated grams per horsepower-hour.

So to "standardize" the two different ratings, you need a distance. We'll use 100 km(62.5 mph). Now since the truck needs a speed, we'll give it 100 km/h.

Prius is rated at .02 g per km, this one is easy:

.02 g X 100 km = 2 grams per 100 km(or 2 grams per hour if you're going 100 km/h)

The trucks:

2010 has a max of .2 g per horsepower-hour. If it takes 270 horsepower to travel at 62 mph, it will make:

.2 g X 270 HP = 54 grams of NOx per 100 km, or hour

In 2010 it will take 27 Prius's to have the same emission level as one 2010 truck.

Now how about a 1998 model truck:

1998 was rated at 4 grams per horsepower-hour. Using the same 270 horsepower, it works out to:

4 G X 270 HP = 1080 grams

One 1998 model truck puts out as much smog forming pollution as TWENTY 2010 compliant trucks and as much as FIVE HUNDRED AND FORTY Toyota Prius's. That's crazy!

[GMAN]

I used to live in California. Pollution has been bad in that state for decades. When I lived in the state there weren't nearly as many trucks as today and pollution seemed to be worse then than now. I find it hard to believe anything any of these people say about pollution considering their past track record. First they tried to convince us that we were heading for another ice age. That fell short then they decided that we were suffering from global warming. That fizzled so we are back to an ice age. There is no proof that man has caused or even contributed to global warming. Yet, they have created an entire industry around global warming. Most people are convinced that global warming exists even though there is no conclusive proof. If it did exist there is no proof that man was in any way responsible. These people waste hundreds of billions of dollars each and every day.

[fdmax]

First they tried to convince us that we were heading for another ice age. That fell short then they decided that we were suffering from global warming. That fizzled so we are back to an ice age.

Yep, thats the way i heard it too. LOL







needed an a, for way not (why)

[LightsChromeHorsepower]

I wonder how kalifornia will get its freight ??


http://truckinginfo.com/news/news-de...category_id=20

1. These are draft rules. We don't yet know what the final ones will be.

2. The state is offering numerous types of financial assistance to help truckers meet the rules.

3. Get used to it. The rest of the U.S. will probably have very similar rules within a decade if past history is any indicator.

4. I'll support any laws, no matter how stringent that might serve to keep you and your trucks out of the state.

[LightsChromeHorsepower]

The ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles have launched a Clean Trucks Program that will reduce air pollution from harbor trucks by more than 80 percent within five years.

Beginning October 1, 2008, pre-1989 trucks will be banned. The program progressively bans all trucks that don't meet 2007 emission standards by 2012. To finance the $2 billion truck replacement program, the ports will levy on loaded containers ($35 per loaded twenty-foot equivalent unit) also beginning October 1, 2008. (Beginning January 2009, the ports will also collect a separate, $15 per TEU cargo fee to finance $1.4 billion in roadway, rail and bridge projects.)

The Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach (the Ports) are seeking applications for the 2008 Goods Movement Emissions Reduction Program. Under this Proposition 1B program, port truckers who own qualifying trucks are eligible to receive up to $50,000 in state funds to partially fund the replacement of their older trucks.

California Truck Pollution Regulations
The California Air Resources Board has two regulations designed to reduce heavy truck pollution, one that would require diesel exhaust filter retrofits and the other that would require the use of EPA SmartWay-approved equipment.

The first proposed regulation will require truck owners to install diesel exhaust filters on their rigs starting in 2010, with nearly all vehicles upgraded by 2014. Owners must also turn over engines older than the 2010 equivalent according to a staggered implementation schedule between 2012 and 2022.

The rules are expected to impact more than 400,000 trucks registered in the state, as well as about 500,000 out-of-state vehicles that do business in California.

Early Compliance Grants
Retrofit funds are available now for early voluntary compliance ahead of the deadline.

Contact Ironman.com for assistance in applying for grant funding to offset retrofit costs.

Proposed regulation includes: medium & heavy duty diesel vehicles 14,000 GVWR and higher: trucks, buses, cranes, yard trucks, plus all vehicles not covered under another rule.
Applies to all abovementioned vehicles registered in California AND any abovementioned out-of-state vehicles that enter into California.

My understanding is that Swift and Knight have told the ports that they can meet the rules, no prob.

Also, my understanding is that the regs for the ports are necessitated by them failing to meet [U]federal[U] air quality standards. So it's the feds that are at the root of the problem with the ports.

[ronjon619]

My understanding is that Swift and Knight have told the ports that they can meet the rules, no prob.

no prob.....lol......positive feedback.

[allan5oh]

I used to live in California. Pollution has been bad in that state for decades. When I lived in the state there weren't nearly as many trucks as today and pollution seemed to be worse then than now. I find it hard to believe anything any of these people say about pollution considering their past track record. First they tried to convince us that we were heading for another ice age. That fell short then they decided that we were suffering from global warming. That fizzled so we are back to an ice age. There is no proof that man has caused or even contributed to global warming. Yet, they have created an entire industry around global warming. Most people are convinced that global warming exists even though there is no conclusive proof. If it did exist there is no proof that man was in any way responsible. These people waste hundreds of billions of dollars each and every day.

I agree with you, but nobody can deny our contribution to smog and smog related health hazards.

You also have to consider one truck from the mid 80's puts out as much NOx(smog forming) as several hundred new trucks. Also, emissions do not always form smog where they are emitted, sometimes it travels a few hundred miles then converts to o3(low level ozone, or smog). It depends on the weather. Heat and sunlight is needed.

[LightsChromeHorsepower]

Swift & Knight have new enough fleets to do the job.

How much will they charge?

Where will they get the drivers?

Hire all the immigrants that are doing the job now?

How much will they pay them?

Strange days indeed............

[LightsChromeHorsepower]

I agree with you, but nobody can deny our contribution to smog and smog related health hazards.

You also have to consider one truck from the mid 80's puts out as much NOx(smog forming) as several hundred new trucks. Also, emissions do not always form smog where they are emitted, sometimes it travels a few hundred miles then converts to o3(low level ozone, or smog). It depends on the weather. Heat and sunlight is needed.

Allan,

Never mind. Disregard please.

[allan5oh]

Service all of California?

Rumors are, Swift is just about done anyways. Probably all them new trucks he's buying! LOL

[BigDiesel]

2. The state is offering numerous types of financial assistance to help truckers meet the rule.

4. I'll support any laws, no matter how stringent that might serve to keep you and your trucks out of the state.

Don't worry LightsChromePickleParkStalker, I can afford the upgrade......

[belpre122]

Maybe all the trucking companies will set up transfer areas along the Kalifornia border.

Goodness gracious! Stanley does use his noggin occasionally.

That's exactly what I have been saying and saying. No more sleepers in Kalifornia! Get in, get out or pay a hefty permit fee for extended stay.

You're coming around Stan! It hasn't been easy, but I think there's hope for ya!