9400i vs T600

[Grumman]

Looking at a couple trucks, one a 2005 Intl 9400i 450hp isx 10spd mid 3s in miles priced at $39,000. The other a 2006 T600 c15 13 spd 414000 miles, priced @ 56,000. Just wondering what anyone's opinion or experience with either. I spent 8yrs working for a company that used the Intl product. Found that truck @ Charlotte Intl UTC. It seemed that their prices were less than any competing dealer. The salesman said they were going to price the trucks lower because they aren't moving them. Of course credit is also tightening up so it will that much more difficult to move them. My business partner owns a 2005 T600 that he paid around 48,000 for with a little over 500,000 miles on it. It is okay, but it seems as though the parts at the dealer are much more expensive for the KW then other brands, maybe, maybe not.

[GMAN]

Personally, I think both trucks are over priced for today's market. Either truck should work well for you. I have had good service out of both models. Actually, I have a 9400 rather than a 9400i. But I do also have a T600. Both are good trucks. I would look around for a better deal. I usually come out better at International for dealer parts. KW is usually higher on most parts. By the way, you can often buy parts for one truck brand at another truck dealer. Some parts are proprietary, but many are not.

[tootie04]

From a fuel mileage standpoint and MY personal preference.....I like the ISX engine better. We got alot better MPG and overall service out of our ISX.

tootie

[tracer]

Looking at a couple trucks, one a 2005 Intl 9400i 450hp isx 10spd mid 3s in miles priced at $39,000. The other a 2006 T600 c15 13 spd 414000 miles, priced @ 56,000. Just wondering what anyone's opinion or experience with either. I spent 8yrs working for a company that used the Intl product. Found that truck @ Charlotte Intl UTC. It seemed that their prices were less than any competing dealer. The salesman said they were going to price the trucks lower because they aren't moving them. Of course credit is also tightening up so it will that much more difficult to move them. My business partner owns a 2005 T600 that he paid around 48,000 for with a little over 500,000 miles on it. It is okay, but it seems as though the parts at the dealer are much more expensive for the KW then other brands, maybe, maybe not.

I own a 2004 International 9400 with 300,000 miles and a 475 hp Cat C15. When I decided to sell it this summer, I couldn't find any buyers So, I've made up my mind to keep the truck and just make it better (just bought a roof deflector). What I'm trying to say is this: there's nothing wrong with International trucks but because many people don't like them, it's easy to find a great deal. If you go with an International, you'll save money.

[enobeenob]

Go with KW, they hold their value better and are not as cheaply made on the inside.

A Inter-trashional is a poor man's Freightshaker.

[GMAN]

You can get more bang for your money with International. They have more room in the sleeper (pro sleeper) and are better laid out than the KW. Fuel mileage will likely be a little better with the KW, but you will also pay a hefty premium for the KW name.

[mike3fan]

and are better laid out than the KW, but you will also pay a hefty premium for the KW name.

in your opinion of course,and that premium you pay will also be there for you when you go to get rid of it.

[GMAN]

I don't think the resale is that much better on any truck these days. I like the T600 but I don't think they are worth the prices I have been seeing lately. It may be worth more than the International but you will also pay more for it initially. Most of the T600's I have looked at lately are selling from about $45-54,000. I can buy a comparably equipped International 9400i for around $25-35,000. Essentially, I could buy 2 Internationals for the price of one of the T600's and have double the income for the same money. I think both have their advantages and disadvantages. For instance, the bunk seems to be a little wider in my T600 than the 9400. I think you just need to look at both and decide which one you prefer.

[rgordon212]

I JUST (as in today) purchased a 2005 9400i w/C15 and 383K miles... the truck is mint with brand new virgin tires all around, 10alum wheels, autoshift (1st one, we will see if I like it) and I picked it up for $29K cash and carry. I had is scanned at the local CAT dealer and it's lifetime MPG is 7.1 on a twin-turbo kitty? That beats the heel out of the 5.2 I was getting in the FLD and 4.5 in the Pete... this truck will make it's own payment for me, so I am very happy. As far as resale, I usually drive them till they wont go no more and cost for repair is more than its worth and I just sell them cheap to a local farmer or such. I like it so far, but I will see how long that lasts.

[GMAN]

Congratulations on your purchase, rgordon. I hope you have as good service out of yours as I have out of mine. I have over 900,000 miles and still trucking. I have had to spend a little money along the way, but it is still cheaper than making payments. It is still strong.

[rgordon212]

Congratulations on your purchase, rgordon. I hope you have as good service out of yours as I have out of mine. I have over 900,000 miles and still trucking. I have had to spend a little money along the way, but it is still cheaper than making payments. It is still strong.

Yes, I pulled oversized wind-generator blades all summer from Houston to NW Indiana. I made enough to pay off my pete (in avatar) and buy this truck which I am looking to lease onto a van company till April, when I can start pulling blades again..... the good MPG makes it all worth while!!

[rank]

Congratulations on your purchase, rgordon. I hope you have as good service out of yours as I have out of mine. I have over 900,000 miles and still trucking. I have had to spend a little money along the way, but it is still cheaper than making payments. It is still strong.

Yes, I pulled oversized wind-generator blades all summer from Houston to NW Indiana. I made enough to pay off my pete (in avatar) and buy this truck which I am looking to lease onto a van company till April, when I can start pulling blades again..... the good MPG makes it all worth while!!

So which truck gets the good mpg's...the pete or the new one?

Let's talk wind turbine blades....are they power only moves?

[Copperhead]

Go with KW, they hold their value better and are not as cheaply made on the inside.

A Inter-trashional is a poor man's Freightshaker.

If you buy a truck only for the so-called "resale" value, then you will get screwed in the long run. Buying a truck is finding the best value for the money and best return on investment. Resale value is relative at best, what will the market be like when you resell? Will there even be any buyers? How long do you plan on running the truck? (best ROI is if you run the truck well beyond 1 million miles)

International being a "poor man's Freightliner"? Have you ever driven many Internationals? I used Internationals in over 6 years of driving year round in Alaska. The Freightliners didn't even come close to endurance and quality in that environment. I will put up my 2006 Internationnal 9400i against all but the best spec'd out Freightliners. I have been in a lot of Freightliners over the years from FLD, Century, and Columbias. No contest. My 9400 wins hands down. Quieter, smoother riding, easier to work on, etc. I have gotten some of the best fuel mileage numbers out of Internationals. I know that there are many factors involved, but none the less, the numbers are there. I am presently averaging approx 7.2 mpg out of my 9400i, ISX, 13 spd, 3.42 rears.

But... I like that so many view the Internationals in a negative light. It makes the costs stay down so that I can continue to buy a good quality truck at a relatively good price and get the best return on investment. So, lets here it everyone! Internationals suck rocks and are trash trucks meant for O/O wannabes! Who would want a 13 letter manure spreader?

[GMAN]

in your opinion of course,and that premium you pay will also be there for you when you go to get rid of it.

Paccar has tried to sell that idea for many years, and to a great success. I don't have a problem with KW. I like them. The problem I have with them is that they are over priced. I have looked at original purchase price and resale and you do get more on the selling end, but you pay a hefty price when you buy it in the beginning. I just don't think the resale price warrants what you have to pay initially. Some people don't seem to mind paying the higher price. I am sure Paccar loves you for that. I am just not much caught up in specific brands. I have my preferences, but I look more toward value. I see more value in something such as International where you can get into the brand for less money than KW and have more room. I am talking about the T600. The sleepers are pretty much identical with the T600 and W900. The prosleeper is much better laid out than the aerodyne. It has much more usable space.