Load Boards

[GMAN]

By the way, Steve. I took either 3 or 4 loads into that area in the last 2 1/2 months for that rate. One was almost $5/mile but the miles were shorter. I picked up south of Scranton and took it over to Connecticut. The broker could not get anyone to go to those areas and I held my price. Frankly, I didn't want to go and I allowed him to persuade me with the higher rate. :wink:

I will go almost anywhere that I can get a decent rate. Everyone wants to run the West. That is the main reason rates are so cheap in that area. Rates in New England are higher (or should be higher) due to people not wanting to go to that area. The last couple of weeks the rates for New England as well as a lot of other places have gone way down. Still, I won't run in New England for less as long as fuel is high. With tolls and the deadhead out, it isn't worth it. I would not run the West Coast for less than $2.50-3/mile, minimum until fuel drops dramatically. There is a good chance that I won't get it. There are too many owner operators and carriers who are willing to haul it for next to nothing. That is also fine with me. I will stick with the East coast and make more money. Less wear and tear on my equipment, cheaper fuel and higher rates. It works for me.

Sometimes it is a matter of being in the right place at the right time.

[GMAN]

$4.00 per mile. I'm calling MAJOR BS on that one!!!!!!!!!!

Be more specific. Maybe for a 200 mile run but your leading people to believe you get those rates AND YOU DON'T. I know for a FACT first freaking hand!!!!! GEEZUS Mike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm calling you out. Get me a load going lets say 1,500+ miles for $4.00 per mile, legal load on Monday and I'll give you half the money.

You don't really know what rates I have been getting, Steve. You are probably not going to get those rates where you want to run. When you have a specific area where you want to run, then you will usually sacrifice rates. If you were to run where I do, then you would probably be getting better rates. If you want to make money in this business, you have to follow the rates. Rates have always been cheaper running back and forth from the East to West Coast. That is the main reason why I am no longer running the left coast. I prefer making money to sightseeing.

[merrick4]

We actually got a couple of loads from Michigan to Connecticut (about 800 miles) for $4.00 a mile. Those need to be the rates going there as the pay out is terrible. We deadheaded out actually.

[GMAN]

I agree, Merrick. I always count on deadheading out of New England. If something pops up then I may take it, provided the rate is decent. Unfortunately, that usually isn't the case. The first quarter of this year I took a couple of loads to Connecticut for $3.50/mile. I could have taken more at that same rate, but elected not to do it. Those loads came out of North Carolina. Remember those, Steve? You will NEVER get higher rates unless you have high expectations. You will NEVER be disappointed if you have LOW expectations. :wink:

[arky]

$4.00 per mile. I'm calling MAJOR BS on that one!!!!!!!!!!

Be more specific. Maybe for a 200 mile run but your leading people to believe you get those rates AND YOU DON'T. I know for a FACT first freaking hand!!!!! GEEZUS Mike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm calling you out. Get me a load going lets say 1,500+ miles for $4.00 per mile, legal load on Monday and I'll give you half the money.

Steve's calling out the Gman...lol.

Now that right there's funny, I don't care who ya are

I laughed so hard, I think I farted..

[NotSteve]

I'm calling you out. Get me a load going lets say 1,500+ miles for $4.00 per mile, legal load on Monday and I'll give you half the money.

Steve's calling out the Gman...lol.

Now that right there's funny, I don't care who ya are

I laughed so hard, I think I farted..

Yup, the offer still stands!

[allan5oh]

I'm calling you out. Get me a load going lets say 1,500+ miles for $4.00 per mile, legal load on Monday and I'll give you half the money.

I think that's the key right there.

[GMAN]

I'm calling you out. Get me a load going lets say 1,500+ miles for $4.00 per mile, legal load on Monday and I'll give you half the money.

I think that's the key right there.

Sorry, Steve. I don't think your heart could stand the stress of hauling for decent rates. I would not want to be responsible for your failing health. I am not your dispatcher. If you want to start getting better rates, you will need to change where you run. Why should I give away half the rate? Those we hauled for $3.50 required a side kit. Those we hauled for $4.00 didn't, but you only want to run to the left coast. At your age you may not be able to stand the shock to your system of getting good rates. Why run for $4/mile when you can get $1.83. As you know, you turned down loads that I could have gotten you several months ago for $3-3.50 coming out of the Southeast. That was before fuel went up so dramatically. You didn't want to run in that area. My philosophy is to run where the rates are best. If these people found out you would take their loads for $1.80 there would be no need to pay me and others $3.50-4.00.

[trinitron]

The rates are always lower east to west coast. You can gross big dollars because you can run big miles. But that doesn't make you any more profit. Expenses are higher , fuel is higher, you push those big winds going west and get lousy fuel mileage. Spend a lot of layover time, etc

Don't get me wrong, I like to run out west too, but profit per mile, the east is better. Exception is when they are short of reefers during produce spikes and there are some big baller rates off the west coast.

[Evinrude]

i've had brokers tell me that shippers are responsible for the reduced rates :? but as usual i find that hard to believe. [/quote]


The truth is, its the truckers are reducing the rate. There are way to many trucks and drivers for the amount of freight out there.


But the sign on the back of trailors say's WERE ALWAYS HIRING O/O's.

[GMAN]

The last couple of weeks there has been a hard push by brokers to bring rates down. I have been offered rates as low as $1.74/mile this week. That was going to the West Coast. Until carriers take control of the freight rates, brokers and shippers are going to keep pushing rates downward. When you give your labor and equipment away at bargain basement rates, there is no need for them to pay more. If you think brokers are not getting better rates, you need to think again. Some have annual contracts with shippers. Some of them are getting well off the backs of carriers and owner operators. The best thing that could happen for the trucking industry is for fuel to go up significantly. It may sound crazy, but when fuel goes up it gets rid of more trucks. When that happens rates go up due to decreased capacity.

[Evinrude]

The best thing that could happen for the trucking industry is for fuel to go up significantly. It may sound crazy, but when fuel goes up it gets rid of more trucks. When that happens rates go up due to decreased capacity.

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Or drivers educate them-self of the effect to there bottom line when they participate in the Companies driver training program.

[rgarthman1969]

I understand that. Supply vs. demand.

[Grumman]

Supply vs. Demand

You know that is another thing many people do not look into when they are talking about rates. A trucker is in LA on a Friday. A broker calls on his posted truck and offers him 1.50 / mile on his van. He is inclined to take it because he is scared of sitting all weekend and wants to get home to the east coast. If the trucker would have looked at the supply and demand of the day he might have found he had the last van in LA and there where 500 loads posted. He could have gotten much more from that broker.

Now that was an example only and is probably not the case in LA on Fridays. The exercise to be learned is what is the supply versus demand where you are and where you intend on going. It may change by the day, week, season, or never. The key is finding a profitable lane and sticking with it.

When you go across the country you are competing with the railroads. Right now a lot of companies are going intermodal domestically when containers are available. With fuel being what it is, intermodal is half what a truck would be. Intermodal prices on the east coast are not competitve against trucks. You can often find a truck cheaper in that corridor.

[GMAN]

If owners and drivers were more patient they could get much better rates. Some will take the first load offered whether they make money on it or not.

[rgarthman1969]

I just cant understand why someone would haul something for free or next to free just to get a load out of that place. DEADHEAD is not a bad thing to do. :wink: