Fuel prices....how are you making it??

[wild bill]

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:09 am Post subject:

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Not necessarily a weak dollar policy, more a result of years of economic neglect. Overspending, over borrowing, pay you later type attitude we have had for the past 30 years or more has finally caught up with us.


The dollar is being devalued in order to make U.S. products cheaper for
foreign countries to purchase. The idea is to create more exports and increase american business abroad. The only problem with this plan is that foreign governments will only allow so many U.S. products to come into thier countries. In other words they protect thier markets for thier workers.
The dollar last time I checked was worth about .74 cents, in contrast to the Euro being worth about $1.45 now what we all have to be concerned about is the dollar becoming to cheap. Oil is bought and sold in U.S. dollars, if the oil producing Nations switch over to the Euro the cost would double for a barrel of oil, for us that is.
I seen the other day that Yemen is considering doing that very thing. If the Saudi's should do the same that would double the cost of Fuel.
In short it takes TWO american dollars to buy one Euro. :shock: :shock:[/list]

[no_worries]

That's not really very accurate.

[trinitron]

Believe it's being devalued intentionally if you like. But, a great american, Ronald Wilson Reagan, once said "Strong countries have strong currencies, weak countries have weak currencies"

Currencies get weak because nobody wants them because they offer little return.

[wild bill]

So are you saying the European Union is viewed as being a stronger Nation than the U.S.?

[wild bill]

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Topics:OPEC | euro | U.S. Dollar | CurrenciesBy Reuters | 18 Nov 2007 | 09:18 PM ET Font size: An OPEC summit ended on Sunday in sharp political division over whether to take action over the weak dollar, as heads of state vowed to keep providing Western consumers with an "adequate" supply of oil.


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A fall in the value of the U.S. dollar on global markets helped fuel oil's rally to a record $98.62 on Nov 7 -- causing Western consumer nations to call for more OPEC supplies to cool prices -- but it has also eroded the purchasing power of OPEC members.

The final statement of the oil cartel's summit in Riyadh did not include any reference to the dollar's predicament, in an apparent victory for U.S.-allied moderates led by Saudi Arabia.

But Iran and Venezuela -- anti-U.S. firebrands locked in tough diplomatic disputes with Washington -- made clear before and after the summit that they would press for action, which could include pricing oil in a basket of currencies.

Such a move would be a political blow to the United States, whose currency Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told reporters had become a "worthless piece of paper."

Fears the United States or its ally Israel could attack Iran -- over a nuclear energy program Washington says is a cover for seeking atomic weapons -- have helped drive world oil prices to record levels. Tehran denies the charge.

Iraqi Finance Minister Bayan Jabor told Reuters after the summit's close that, backed by Ecuador, the anti-U.S. powers won agreement that finance ministers would discuss the issue before a scheduled oil ministers meeting in Abu Dhabi on Dec. 5.

"There was a proposal from Iran and Venezuela to have a basket of currencies for the pricing of OPEC oil. But a consensus could not be reached (in the summit)," he said. "Because the final communique was already drafted, there was an agreement that OPEC finance ministers hold a meeting before the oil meeting in the UAE in December to discuss economic issues including the dollar's exchange rate," he added.

OPEC oil ministers said last week any decision on raising output will be left to the Abu Dhabi meeting in two weeks time.

"We affirm our commitment ... to continue providing adequate, timely and sufficient oil to the world market," said the final declaration issued at the two-day summit's close.

Saudi Backs The Greenback

Talks on the dollar were actively discouraged by Saudi Arabia, an old U.S. ally that has traditionally assured the West of easy oil supplies through its OPEC "swing producer" status.

On Friday, Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal was seen in a closed session -- accidentally beamed to reporters by closed- circuit television -- arguing against putting the question in the communique lest it backfire and weaken the currency further.

At the summit's opening session on Saturday, Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez vaunted OPEC's ability to ensure high oil prices for developing producer nations, partly as recompense for perceived Western injustices toward the rest of the world.

Addressing leaders assembled in an opulent hall with crystal chandeliers and toilet accessories fitted in gold leaf, the self-styled socialist revolutionary said OPEC "must stand up and act as a vanguard against poverty in the world."

And he threatened that if Washington follows through on military threats against Iran, oil could double to $200 a barrel. Ahmadinejad said on Sunday Iran would not use oil as a weapon if attacked.

King Abdullah, the octogenarian Saudi leader, sat stone-faced throughout the 25-minute diatribe, joking afterward to the anti colonial-era firebrand: "You went on a bit!"

"Oil is an energy that is about construction and development and should not be turned into a tool of dispute and whimsy," the Saudi monarch said in a brief speech.

The summit -- only the third in the group's history -- also acknowledged the oil industry's role in global warming, with pledges of cash for research into climate change.

Saudi Arabia said it would give $300 million, and Kuwait, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates each pledged $150 million toward research on the environment.

But even there, clear differences emerged, as other countries were reluctant to make similar promises.

"We are not committing anything. We don't know what the proposal is," Algerian Energy Minister Chakib Khelil said.

Ecuador's leftist President Rafael Correa -- a Chavez ally -- told reporters the world's richest nations should pay for the protecting the environment in the world's poorest countries.

"It annoys us a bit, all this moralizing 'don't cut down your trees' from the first world, when they've already done it," he said. "If Europe wants to breathe pure air from Amazon countries then Amazon countries shouldn't have to pay for it."

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[allan5oh]

The currency is tied directly to the interest rate. Look at one of the lowest interest rate currency, the japanese yen. Currently at .50%. It's also one of the lowest. The highest? GBP, around 8%.

Canada and US policy is to use the prime rate as a way of keeping inflation growth stable. It has worked out very well for both countries.

The problem is when inflation creeps up, AND the economy isn't growing as it should. This is rare, but it is happening a bit right now.

[Cyanide]

Running half of my total miles empty weekly and having minimal overhead... Ooops, did I just say that

[mike3fan]

Running half of my total miles empty weekly and having minimal overhead... Ooops, did I just say that

You don't pay for fuel being a company driver do you?

[tootie04]

I saw where the Memphis TN refinery is shut down for 10 days for unschedualed maint. :shock: :shock:

Whats that going to do to the East coast fuel prices.....??

tootie

[cutout]

@3.00 a gal x 8 hours idleing it would take just 333 days to payback an 8000k APU just on fuel costs alone, not counting the maintenance savings on the truck. please don't let my wife hear you talking like it's not worth the cost!! am i not thinking straight?

[no_worries]

It's an individual thing. How long would it take you to rack up 8 hours per day for 333 days idling? Would take me a helluva long time, but that's just me.

[tootie04]

@3.00 a gal x 8 hours idleing it would take just 333 days to payback an 8000k APU just on fuel costs alone, not counting the maintenance savings on the truck. please don't let my wife hear you talking like it's not worth the cost!! am i not thinking straight?

Dont forget to subtract the fuel the APU will use in 8 hrs from your total.

tootie

[GMAN]

Fuel dropped today by about $6/barrel. Since rates dropped when fuel jumped, that must mean that as fuel drops that rates will jump.

[kblickster]

GMAN - Always the optimist! We can only hope!

[Mandilon]

Everyone knows oil is a non-renewable resource....what I dont get is why have they waited so long to think of alternative fuels?? The technology is there....we need to use it now.

...not as long as the DOMESTIC oil co.'s (-domestic terrorists) tighten the nooze on their PUPPET politicians!

WAKE UP America!

[no_worries]

Somewhere there's a dead horse taking a beating

[GMAN]

[quote="Mandilon"]

Everyone knows oil is a non-renewable resource....what I dont get is why have they waited so long to think of alternative fuels?? The technology is there....we need to use it now.

I heard on the news the other day that oil may actually be a renewable resource. Apparently, there are oil wells in Pennsylvania (?) that were thought to have been dry for years, now has oil. Interesting, if true. We do need to pursue alternative energy sources. That is the only long term solution. Independence from foreign oil. By the way, we get very little of our oil from the Middle East, something like 10%. Most of it comes from Mexico and Canada, according to what was reported the other day. We also get a lot of oil from Venezuela. Darned Canadian terrorists. :?

[Mandilon]

We also get a lot of oil from Venezuela.

Shove-ASS (chavez?) claims he will sell all venezuela's oil 2 China, let's respond (saving fuel in record amounts) by telling him and China WHAT they can do with that oil! :P

Darned Canadian terrorists.

If you're going 2 include canadians as friends of the terrorists, don't forget the mexicans as they also sided with the canadians when we asked them for help in iraq. :!:

Let's show THE WORLD what they can do with their oil!

God Bless