Hydrapak and Hydrive Information

[GrayBeard]

First allow me to apologize for taking so long to get this information together. Aso thanks to Fredog for the links that allowed me to gather the information.

The Hydrapak MH3 (Drum/Gardner-Denver) and the Hydrive 2010A are basically the same systems. Cost difference between the two units is approximately $100.00

The cost to set up a tractor with the Hydrapak or Hydrive with a Roper 3" product pump and Quincy air compressor comes to aproximately $5,790.00 in parts and $650.00 Labor ($65.00 per hour @ 10 Hours).

By contrast to set up the "Old School" way with dual PTOs comes to approximately $2,700.00 in parts and $650.00 Labor (Same figures as above).

The only real issue that comes to mind (with the Dual PTO set-up) is the amount of room between the tranny and the frame rail/spring hanger on the curb side of the truck. One more thing to look at in a truck.

The links below will provide information conerning the 2 systems.

http://www.gardnerdenver.com/ MH3 Hydrapack

http://www.blackmer.com/myapp/model-list.jsp?sid=17 Hydrive 2010A

For me, I will go with the dual PTO set-up. About half the cost and weight savings to boot. Unusual in that normally you have to spend money to save weight.

I hope this is helpfull for anyone else who may be thnking about getting set up to yank a tank.

[Maniac]

For me, I will go with the dual PTO set-up

Has worked for me for 20 years or so 8)

[GrayBeard]

For me, I will go with the dual PTO set-up

Has worked for me for 20 years or so 8)

Maniac,

I know what you mean. That is the set-up I was running before. I guess too much "Old School" in me. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Besides it is cheaper and lighter.

[nsxman2001]

First allow me to apologize for taking so long to get this information together. Aso thanks to Fredog for the links that allowed me to gather the information.

The Hydrapak MH3 (Drum/Gardner-Denver) and the Hydrive 2010A are basically the same systems. Cost difference between the two units is approximately $100.00

The cost to set up a tractor with the Hydrapak or Hydrive with a Roper 3" product pump and Quincy air compressor comes to aproximately $5,790.00 in parts and $650.00 Labor ($65.00 per hour @ 10 Hours).

By contrast to set up the "Old School" way with dual PTOs comes to approximately $2,700.00 in parts and $650.00 Labor (Same figures as above).

The only real issue that comes to mind (with the Dual PTO set-up) is the amount of room between the tranny and the frame rail/spring hanger on the curb side of the truck. One more thing to look at in a truck.

The links below will provide information conerning the 2 systems.

http://www.gardnerdenver.com/ MH3 Hydrapack

http://www.blackmer.com/myapp/model-list.jsp?sid=17 Hydrive 2010A

For me, I will go with the dual PTO set-up. About half the cost and weight savings to boot. Unusual in that normally you have to spend money to save weight.

I hope this is helpfull for anyone else who may be thnking about getting set up to yank a tank.

I was wondering is this hydrapak in the these two links the old school way you both are talking about?

[GrayBeard]

First allow me to apologize for taking so long to get this information together. Aso thanks to Fredog for the links that allowed me to gather the information.

The Hydrapak MH3 (Drum/Gardner-Denver) and the Hydrive 2010A are basically the same systems. Cost difference between the two units is approximately $100.00

The cost to set up a tractor with the Hydrapak or Hydrive with a Roper 3" product pump and Quincy air compressor comes to aproximately $5,790.00 in parts and $650.00 Labor ($65.00 per hour @ 10 Hours).

By contrast to set up the "Old School" way with dual PTOs comes to approximately $2,700.00 in parts and $650.00 Labor (Same figures as above).

The only real issue that comes to mind (with the Dual PTO set-up) is the amount of room between the tranny and the frame rail/spring hanger on the curb side of the truck. One more thing to look at in a truck.

The links below will provide information conerning the 2 systems.

http://www.gardnerdenver.com/ MH3 Hydrapack

http://www.blackmer.com/myapp/model-list.jsp?sid=17 Hydrive 2010A

For me, I will go with the dual PTO set-up. About half the cost and weight savings to boot. Unusual in that normally you have to spend money to save weight.

I hope this is helpfull for anyone else who may be thnking about getting set up to yank a tank.

I was wondering is this hydrapak in the these two links the old school way you both are talking about?

The Old School way is to run dual PTOs. One to drive your product pump and one to drive the compressor.

You also have the option of running air of the truck's compressor. If you do that, your compressor needs to be a TU-FLO 750 or larger to make enough air.

Hope this helps.

[mike3fan]

For me, I will go with the dual PTO set-up

Has worked for me for 20 years or so 8)

Maniac,

I know what you mean. That is the set-up I was running before. I guess too much "Old School" in me. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Besides it is cheaper and lighter.

considering I have used my air compressor once in the last 4 months,and haven't used the pump in 6 months I wouldn't spend the extra money.

[nsxman2001]

For me, I will go with the dual PTO set-up

Has worked for me for 20 years or so 8)

Maniac,

I know what you mean. That is the set-up I was running before. I guess too much "Old School" in me. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Besides it is cheaper and lighter.

considering I have used my air compressor once in the last 4 months,and haven't used the pump in 6 months I wouldn't spend the extra money.

I want down to superior carriers and spoke to the terminal manager and he said I would need to have the pump or the compressor installed but I can just get one of them first to start. So I was trying to figure out was he talking about the hydrapak or was it something else. Can someone leave a link to the pump and or the compressor if that is not it on the two links above.. thanks

[mike3fan]

I want down to superior carriers and spoke to the terminal manager and he said I would need to have the pump or the compressor installed but I can just get one of them first to start. So I was trying to figure out was he talking about the hydrapak or was it something else. Can someone leave a link to the pump and or the compressor if that is not it on the two links above.. thanks

I don't have the link but if he gives you the choice,get the air compressor instead of the pump,less work involved.

[nsxman2001]

Mike can you explain how they both work? I remember him telling me pump pushes the product out the tank.. how does the compressor work? thanks in advance

[mike3fan]

Mike can you explain how they both work? I remember him telling me pump pushes the product out the tank.. how does the compressor work? thanks in advance

the tank has an air fitting called a Chicago fitting that you hook one end of your air hose to and connect the other end to the compressor,then you turn on the pto and the compressor starts and builds up air in the tank,when it gets up to about 20psi you open up the valves and the air pushes the product out into the customers tank.

[Fredog]

Mike can you explain how they both work? I remember him telling me pump pushes the product out the tank.. how does the compressor work? thanks in advance

the tank has an air fitting called a Chicago fitting that you hook one end of your air hose to and connect the other end to the compressor,then you turn on the pto and the compressor starts and builds up air in the tank,when it gets up to about 20psi you open up the valves and the air pushes the product out into the customers tank.

BUT, some tanks can not be aired off, it has to be a pressure tank, you need to find out which kind you will be pulling, you can pump off either kind, so if I was only going to get one or the other, I would get a pump, also most ( but not all) customers have air available to use.

[mike3fan]

Mike can you explain how they both work? I remember him telling me pump pushes the product out the tank.. how does the compressor work? thanks in advance

the tank has an air fitting called a Chicago fitting that you hook one end of your air hose to and connect the other end to the compressor,then you turn on the pto and the compressor starts and builds up air in the tank,when it gets up to about 20psi you open up the valves and the air pushes the product out into the customers tank.

BUT, some tanks can not be aired off, it has to be a pressure tank, you need to find out which kind you will be pulling, you can pump off either kind, so if I was only going to get one or the other, I would get a pump, also most ( but not all) customers have air available to use.

I use my air comp,more than pump and don't have to wash the air comp 8)

[nsxman2001]

I know for sure there company trucks have both but he said I can get one of them to start and i guess the other later if I decide to stay. I'm new to tanking so that why I was wondering if the hydrapak was what he was talking about.. Thanks guy for the information..

[Fredog]

I know for sure there company trucks have both but he said I can get one of them to start and i guess the other later if I decide to stay. I'm new to tanking so that why I was wondering if the hydrapak was what he was talking about.. Thanks guy for the information..

I would go with a pump. you can pump off a pressure tank, but you cant air off a non-pressure tank...

[nsxman2001]

Can u post pictures of the pump?

[Fredog]

Can u post pictures of the pump?

i can take one tmrw not much to see

[Maniac]

Only tank you can't air off is an aluminum one.

Out of around 2000 trailers Dana has maybe 50 of those, and they are strictly used for jet fuel, can't air off jet fuel. anyway, and the fuel pays LOW.

All I have is an air compressor, the pump is in my yard, I won't put it back on, I agree with Mike air comp only, much cleaner and less hoses.