Advice on Truck Purchase??

[Papa Rick]

I am currently looking at a 2003 T800 KW Day cab to haul logs with, and was wanting advice and suggestions on this.

2003 T-800 KW Day Cab
Mileage 459,917
Transmission: FRO16210C (Not sure what all that is, its a 10 speed)
Gear Ratio: 4.33
Wheel Base 202"
Suspension 40K AG 100 Air
Gauges: Full
Frame Single
Tires 11R-24.5
Wheels Aluminum all around
Fuel Tanks 150 Right Side only
Engine: ISX - 475 Hp, Cummins
Engine Brake: Yes
MISC: Deck Plate, Stainless Steel Half Fenders, Fender Mirrors, Painted Visor, Fleet Maintained, Work Light, and Fifth Wheel Ramps.


My questions are these:

1. What type of fuel mileage can I expect with this gear 4:33, be?

2. What is the Fifth Wheel Ramps that is listed on the spec sheet?

3. On the Transmission spec: FRO16210C, does this stand for some type of torque rating and does it affect the fuel mileage?

I can get a 3 year, 300,000 mile Used Truck Warranty on this, deductible of $150.00 per occurrence, this is through the National Truck Protection Company.

Total Price $57,000.00, with the Used Truck Warranty.

4. Does this seem like a fair price? I did not want to go with a newer truck, as I haul logs for a living and currently own a 1985 FLC Day cab, and want to update.

5. Does anyone know about the National Truck Protection Company out of Carlstadt NJ?

I don't have any pictures to post as I have seen the spec sheet and pictures at the dealer, and the truck will be at the KW Dealership in Chattanooga TN this Friday or Saturday.

Any advice and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[Fredog]

I am currently looking at a 2003 T800 KW Day cab to haul logs with, and was wanting advice and suggestions on this.

2003 T-800 KW Day Cab
Mileage 459,917
Transmission: FRO16210C (Not sure what all that is, its a 10 speed)
Gear Ratio: 4.33
Wheel Base 202"
Suspension 40K AG 100 Air
Gauges: Full
Frame Single
Tires 11R-24.5
Wheels Aluminum all around
Fuel Tanks 150 Right Side only
Engine: ISX - 475 Hp, Cummins
Engine Brake: Yes
MISC: Deck Plate, Stainless Steel Half Fenders, Fender Mirrors, Painted Visor, Fleet Maintained, Work Light, and Fifth Wheel Ramps.


My questions are these:

1. What type of fuel mileage can I expect with this gear 4:33, be?

2. What is the Fifth Wheel Ramps that is listed on the spec sheet?

3. On the Transmission spec: FRO16210C, does this stand for some type of torque rating and does it affect the fuel mileage?

I can get a 3 year, 300,000 mile Used Truck Warranty on this, deductible of $150.00 per occurrence, this is through the National Truck Protection Company.

Total Price $57,000.00, with the Used Truck Warranty.

4. Does this seem like a fair price? I did not want to go with a newer truck, as I haul logs for a living and currently own a 1985 FLC Day cab, and want to update.

5. Does anyone know about the National Truck Protection Company out of Carlstadt NJ?

I don't have any pictures to post as I have seen the spec sheet and pictures at the dealer, and the truck will be at the KW Dealership in Chattanooga TN this Friday or Saturday.

Any advice and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I would expect about 5mpg the fr in the tranmission number means fuller roadranger the rest is just the model number, I think the price is about right.. I never heard of a 5th wheel ramp
NOW you will get about 300 more opinions and they will all be different.

[brian]

price seems real high to me, i`d aim closer to 40k in your case up to 45k


and hauling logs i`d be happy with anything over 4.5

[dteam270]

4:33 ratio sounds pretty low. IF your getting dragged in and out of the woods it would be alright but, if your hauling from yard to yard it could have a impact on fuel milage. Would probably go higher on the rears if that was the case.

[GMAN]

The price seems a bit high. Only having a single fuel tank is rather odd. Pulling power should be good with the gear ratio, fuel mileage will be poor. The only 5th wheel ramps that I can think of are those used by some mobile home toters. They will put the escort vehicle on the top of the 5th wheel using ramps.

[9200IH]

I would say that the 5th wheel ramps are ramps welded or bolted to the top of the frame just behind the 5th wheel to help lift a trailer that is sunk into the ground a little. The trailer hits the ramps and goes up and then onto the 5th wheel. You see them allot on off road trucks like logging or construction operations.

Mike

[sidman82]

5th wheel ramps are use for low boys. Some trailers lean down when taken off. The ramps will prevent damage to the frame. They are nice to have. My truck has them, and the 03 I am buying has them also. I consider them a bonus. I am buying an 03 for $43,000 with C-15 3.90 gears and 13 speed. Freightliner Classic with all the goodies. 370k on the miles with ability to purchase 2 years on the motor for $1600. I consider it a good deal. The truck is in above average shape. It has been very well taken care of. I am selling my truck in picture if anybody interested. (new truck has been inserted) 1998 freightliner classic
with Baby C-10 cat, no jake, 488k on miles, single exhaust,9 spd. Not enough power for you Papa rick. Price is $12,900. Truck good for van freight. No problems. SOLD 9/18/07

[arky]

for the price difference, PapaRick could buy the 98 and drop a bigger motor in it and still come out 20-30k cheaper. Of course it's a bit older also, but the miles are about the same?

That's not a bad price at all for a '98 daycab with under 500k miles by the way if anyone is looking for one.

[Papa Rick]

Is there a place on the web for trucks, like NADA or Blue Book for cars?

Thanks Everyone for the advice, that is what is so great about this site, they can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.

Any more advice I would greatly appreciate it.

Hey GMAN, when you say poor mileage with the 4.33 rear ratio, what range could I expect with this set up? Thanks GMAN.

[watevr777]

NADA
http://www.nada.com/b2b/products/onl...-80402340-8062


If my math is correct at 1500 rpm in 10th gear 54 mph... 1800 rpm = 64 mph

Same set up with 390 rears 1500 rpm 60mph

[GMAN]

Is there a place on the web for trucks, like NADA or Blue Book for cars?

Thanks Everyone for the advice, that is what is so great about this site, they can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.

Any more advice I would greatly appreciate it.

Hey GMAN, when you say poor mileage with the 4.33 rear ratio, what range could I expect with this set up? Thanks GMAN.

I would not expect more than about 5 mpg. That ratio is more for pulling power than fuel economy. You can have a mechanic connect to the cpu and it will tell you what the fuel mileage has been on the truck.

[titantrucker]

5th wheel ramps are use for low boys. Some trailers lean down when taken off. The ramps will prevent damage to the frame. They are nice to have. My truck has them, and the 03 I am buying has them also. I consider them a bonus. I am buying an 03 for $43,000 with C-15 3.90 gears and 13 speed. Freightliner Classic with all the goodies. 370k on the miles with ability to purchase 2 years on the motor for $1600. I consider it a good deal. The truck is in above average shape. It has been very well taken care of. I am selling my truck in picture if anybody interested. 1998 freightliner classic
with Baby C-10 cat, no jake, 488k on miles, single exhaust,9 spd. Not enough power for you Papa rick. Price is $12,900. Truck good for van freight. No problems.

Hello Sonny
Send me a PM at my email address. I might be interested in buying your truck.
I can't PM you here because I have less than 50 posts.
Thanks Jack

[sidman82]

I sent you a PM. Let me know if you can receive them.

[sodbuster]

Papa, there is a web site called black book. It as used truck and trailer prices on it, you have to subscribe to it for a about 15 a month. I used it till I bought my truck then canceled. I have a 2002 t800 with c12 430hp 4.10 rears 10 speed. And 22.5 tires. At 65 it is running 1650 rpm’s at 70 it’s about 1800. I get about 6.5mpg empty. Loaded it’s about 4.3 to 5.8 mpg’s. I haul sod so I don’t get much highway miles. I have some hill and do a lot of stop and go traffic. If I had it to over and had the money I would have gotten a c15 and a least 13 speed. I am under powered for sure. And have a big gap in 9th and 10th a splitter would be nice. I paid 38,500 for my 2002 about 7 months ago. With 425000 miles. no warranty, small sleeper 215 wheelbase. I do know that when I was looking on the back book web site day cabs were always selling at a higher price than one with a sleeper. My truck has dual 110 gallon tanks. Weighs in about 16500#.

[sidman82]

My truck is now sold. Have New 03. Got a PM at the Petro in Bordertown and Just drove it home tonight. Really nice, very happy with it. Will put new picture in soon

[sidman82]

New truck pic.

[Mack2]

Nice looking truck Sidman.

[sidman82]

Thanks, I'm real happy with it. It's an 03 with 370k, C-15, 500HP , 13spd,
warranty on motor. Paid a little over $40k. Drives like a new truck. One owner truck, bought it private, not from the dealer.

[RostyC]

Congrats on the new ride sidman. Looks nice 8)