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I probably shouldn't take these loads
Shipper is 25 miles from our delivery.
Delivery is 37 miles from the yard.
10,000 lbs, no tarp, step deck legal
shipper is open 24/7....no appointment
pays $1150 on 404 real miles (385 practical)
I'm sending 2 trucks.
Too good to be true. Wish me luck.
Senior Board Member
NO, I think that would be a real bad idea!
You might make a mistake and actually make a profit, and have to pay taxes on those loads.
:wink:
Good Luck
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OOIDA
Senior Board Member
Re: I probably shouldn't take these loads
Doh....im srill trying to see how these miles worked out?Originally Posted by rank
25+37+DH???????????????????????
Senior Board Member
Re: I probably shouldn't take these loads
I heard a loud sucking sound, but I thought it was just my mother-in-law coming nearby. No, it was you!
Senior Board Member
Re: I probably shouldn't take these loads
It went like this Pepe:Doh....im srill trying to see how these miles worked out?
25+37+DH???????????????????????
outbound load: ~475 miles.
DH to reload: 25 miles
loaded: 404 miles
DH back to the yard: 37 miles.
Oh and Silvan, you'll be happy to know it went off without a hitch.
Senior Board Member
You should have went for the heavy load 120 miles away from delivery going 310 miles from your yard paying $1.10
Mud, sweat, and gears
Board Regular
He would have, but the Landstarve guys were fighting over that one, I think it finally went for $0.95.You should have went for the heavy load 120 miles away from delivery going 310 miles from your yard paying $1.10
Senior Board Member
Landstarve, LMFAO!
Board Regular
Well, the freight SUCKS in my home town right now... I have been sitting since Monday looking for a load, and it's noon Wednesday now. I refuse to haul for a buck ten a mile, so, here I sit. :x
"It is not the critic who counts,
not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled,
or where the doer of deeds could have done better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena;
whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood;
who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again;
who knows the great enthusiasms,
the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy course;
who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement,
and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly;
so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls
who know neither victory or defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
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Good for you, Mountain Flyer. Sometimes you may need to deadhead to find a good paying load. When these shippers and/or brokers don't want to pay a decent rate, I figure it is better to let their product sit on the dock or let them buy their own trucks to haul it.
Board Regular
Amen, G-man. It is no longer 1972, and these shippers need to figure that out. Problem is, SOMEONE IS HAULING IT FOR THEM at these 30-year old prices, and it isn't me....... :evil:
"It is not the critic who counts,
not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled,
or where the doer of deeds could have done better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena;
whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood;
who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again;
who knows the great enthusiasms,
the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy course;
who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement,
and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly;
so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls
who know neither victory or defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
Administrator
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Mountain Flyer, the irony is that in many cases the rates are about what they were back then, but operating costs are 10 fold higher. Fuel is 10 times what it was back then. A truck costs 5 times more than then. Driver wages are 4-5 times the rates in the early 70's. These shippers are certainly passing along their increase costs of doing business. I guarantee you that they aren't selling their products for 1970 prices. I really feel sorry that these people feel that they MUST haul for such cheap rates. These are not business people. They have no idea of what it costs to run a business or operate at a profit. They only look at the short term. They think that if they can JUST get enough for fuel money to get to a good area, things will be all right. Business people look at the long term. The long term effect of NOT hauling cheap freight is BETTER rates. The inexperienced or those who are not business people only look at the short term. If they can cover their fuel, they can survive. By looking at the short term, they are shooting themselves in the foot. Rates will remain low as long as they continue to haul for cheap rates. It is unfortunate there are so many who have no idea how they are short changing themselves and this industry.
Board Regular
You said it Gman. I can't come out at those rates, and I am too stubborn to go haul it just to keep moving. I'd rather sit at home as long as I can keep my mortgage and bills paid, as I would to go run my truck for free. Sadly, it seems most load rates are low and they are just staying that way. I for one am thinking it's time to move on to other ventures. Which sucks, because I like trucking. Or worse yet, go lease on with someone and be ran to death.
"It is not the critic who counts,
not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled,
or where the doer of deeds could have done better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena;
whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood;
who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again;
who knows the great enthusiasms,
the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy course;
who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement,
and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly;
so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls
who know neither victory or defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
Member
GMAN,
You are right. It's a shame that there are so many of these truck drivers who only look at short-term. Business minded people look at both short & long term. There are a lot of deaf ears on this board and I hope one day they will listen before it's too late for their sake not mind.
Administrator
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You said it Gman. I can't come out at those rates, and I am too stubborn to go haul it just to keep moving. I'd rather sit at home as long as I can keep my mortgage and bills paid, as I would to go run my truck for free. Sadly, it seems most load rates are low and they are just staying that way. I for one am thinking it's time to move on to other ventures. Which sucks, because I like trucking. Or worse yet, go lease on with someone and be ran to death.
I believe your year of restriction has now passed. Perhaps you could deadhead out to a better area and run 48 for a while. If you need a couple of names, I will be glad to send them to you. Just let me know where you want to run and I will see if I can find someone whom I have dealt that might have something. Freight and rates are a bit off right now. There is freight out here, but you sometimes have to work to find the better rates.
Administrator
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Joymax_Trans2, only looking at the short term is one reason so many owner operators fail in this business.
Senior Board Member
Mountain Flyer, I applaud your resolve.
Funny thing about these loads I mentioned in the OP. They have been posted on various boards by various brokers for at least 6 - 8 months. I have always called and the rates were always low (under $2/mile IIRC) so I always passed them up. Now all of a sudden they started offering in the low two's and look here we eventually settled at 2.85
They called me back today wanting to move 3 more loads for the same rate that we established. Patience. Rome was't built in a day. If you can afford to sit, by all means SIT.
Board Regular
This is an exception,not the norm. The norm is that someone is always willng to take that 1.10 a mile load just so they won't have to deadhead. Unless ALL O/Os refuse to haul these loads the 1.10 a mile loads will never go completely away.
Keep right,Pass left
Board Regular
Thanks Gman. I did get a load out; 100 mile DH to pick up a load of steel pipe running into Kansas just N. of Kansas City. There seem to be several good loads out of that area. I need to get back home for Labor Day or I'd just stay out and run.
As you mentioned, I am "off restriction" and licensed and insured for all 48 now. Which is a big relief. I haven't been running too much out of the home area, though... was busy for a couple weeks hauling barley and after labor day I'll be back hauling honey bees to California, I expect.
Anyhow, it will pass... just a slowdown. There is still decent freight but some days you really have to dig to find it...
"It is not the critic who counts,
not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled,
or where the doer of deeds could have done better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena;
whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood;
who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again;
who knows the great enthusiasms,
the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy course;
who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement,
and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly;
so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls
who know neither victory or defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
Board Regular
And thanks Rank for the kind comments, too. I just will not haul freight for a buck a mile. I follow the Gman's lead and I will deadhead out instead of haul their cheap crap. Once or twice over the last 1.5 years I have wound up with a cheap haul; one was a military load and I didn't relaize when I booked it the per mile rate was so cheap or I would not have done it. A smooth talking female broker chick seduced me over the phone and I ended up with the load. Oh well, doing my bit for the war effort, I guess. :P
"It is not the critic who counts,
not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled,
or where the doer of deeds could have done better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena;
whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood;
who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again;
who knows the great enthusiasms,
the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy course;
who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement,
and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly;
so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls
who know neither victory or defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
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