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    I was talking with a friend of mine who showed an interest in dump trucking and thought I'd ask a few questions here to help him out.

    MDKW, maybe you could shed some light on this, Gray and Son, (you probably heard of them), pays 61.00 per hour to run asphalt. Other materials are cheaper. Can you or anyone expand on this as to why it's higher for asphalt? Is it harder on the bed? 61.00 an hour seems cheap to me anyway to run a truck on but I'm not sure what it takes to run a dump, ie. ins, maintenance, fuel, tires. Perhaps you guys can break down some costs of running a dump business.

    What are advantages/disadvantages to signing on with an outfit such as Gray and Son or whoever or running out of the quarry's.

    Are there local brokers for dump truck work? Are you guys able to stay busy with the housing market in the dumps right now?

    Thanks guys, more questions to follow I'm sure :lol:

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    Quote Originally Posted by RostyC
    I was talking with a friend of mine who showed an interest in dump trucking and thought I'd ask a few questions here to help him out.

    MDKW, maybe you could shed some light on this, Gray and Son, (you probably heard of them), pays 61.00 per hour to run asphalt. Other materials are cheaper. Can you or anyone expand on this as to why it's higher for asphalt? Is it harder on the bed? 61.00 an hour seems cheap to me anyway to run a truck on but I'm not sure what it takes to run a dump, ie. ins, maintenance, fuel, tires. Perhaps you guys can break down some costs of running a dump business.

    What are advantages/disadvantages to signing on with an outfit such as Gray and Son or whoever or running out of the quarry's.

    Are there local brokers for dump truck work? Are you guys able to stay busy with the housing market in the dumps right now?

    Thanks guys, more questions to follow I'm sure :lol:
    Asphalt is very profitable. you usually sit more than you run. I run it sometimes when we get real busy, you may work the truck 8 hours and only run 100 miles or less. most owner ops love asphalt. its no harder on the truck, you just have to keep the bed sprayed down with dot approved release agent to keep the asphalt from sticking.. its not legal to use diesel for this purpose so of course nobody does it

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    its not legal to use diesel for this purpose so of course nobody does it
    Oh of coarse not :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by RostyC
    its not legal to use diesel for this purpose so of course nobody does it
    Oh of coarse not :wink:
    I was fueling up the other day and these two BBR's in their dumps pulled up and fueled and then filled up a 5 gallon gas tank with diesel and I was wondering what that was for...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike3fan
    Quote Originally Posted by RostyC
    its not legal to use diesel for this purpose so of course nobody does it
    Oh of coarse not :wink:
    I was fueling up the other day and these two BBR's in their dumps pulled up and fueled and then filled up a 5 gallon gas tank with diesel and I was wondering what that was for...
    they put the "dot approved release agent" in a pump up sprayer and spray the bed down. they would never use diesel fuel since its not allowed, the fuel in the can was probably for their volkswagon rabbit, yea, thats it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredog
    Quote Originally Posted by mike3fan
    Quote Originally Posted by RostyC
    its not legal to use diesel for this purpose so of course nobody does it
    Oh of coarse not :wink:
    I was fueling up the other day and these two BBR's in their dumps pulled up and fueled and then filled up a 5 gallon gas tank with diesel and I was wondering what that was for...
    they put the "dot approved release agent" in a pump up sprayer and spray the bed down. they would never use diesel fuel since its not allowed, the fuel in the can was probably for their volkswagon rabbit, yea, thats it.

    maybe it was for their diesel powered motorcycle

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    Grey and son...run don't walk away. They have way too many of their own trucks and beat the heck outta em. And at $61 an hour I would not even start my truck.

    Asphalt is great and a bulk of my business. It can dent up your gate if the operator is not paying attention. You can go thru brakes a bit faster if you are getting pushed by the paver(you have to ride your brake to avoid getting pushed out of the hopper).

    Quarry work can be ok. Sure you will make 3k a week but you will be spending 1k in fuel. For comparison I made a bit over 3k last week on $260 in fuel. Most of the quarries over here on the western side of the state are not controlled by any single company but rather by the quarry itself. Drop me a PM and I can help your friend find a quarry in whatever part of the state he wants to run.

    At least in Maryland dumps can run 6 days a week, year round, rain or shine. You should be able to make about 3k and plan on about $800-$1000 in fuel on average. Just try not to have all your eggs in one basket. I do not know of more than one or two brokers in MD for dump work. Most of it is word of mouth. But if your friend at least gets his foot in the door, he can make contacts rather quickly.

    I use my diesel powered motorcycle so much I had a pump and hose reel installed in my tool box so I could fuel it up easy :lol:
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    I owned a few dump trucks a few years back (5 years). This was long before I ever had a CDL. I just bought the trucks and put drivers in them to see what the market was like here. The "rock trucks" as we call them were pretty much a break even deal by the time I paid the driver. The asphalt truck had a good profit margin to it. Most of the work here is just paid by the ton...of course we don't have the traffic to deal with that you guys may have. The only problem I had with the asphalt was just over supply of trucks in this area and very seasonal. In other words, we couldn't keep the damn thing out of the driveway! It made good money when it was working though.

    As for the release agents. I think some work better than others and I think their effectiveness differs between the asphalt specs too. As far as I know, nothing beats the tried and true method of getting out of sight of the inspectors and throwing the diesel to it. There are many variations of this method. :wink:

    Your buddy should probably do a little research on what size truck works the best. MKW can probably give you a good answer. I know that here in AR, the tri-axles seem to prevail. Just 20 miles up the road, you'll see a lot of tandem axle trucks in MO. As I understand it the weight laws have a enough difference in them that they can run a lightweight tandem axle truck and haul almost as much as they can with a tri-axle up there. In some states, you'll see a lot of quad-axle trucks and even trailers hauling asphalt. I don't completely understand it all, just saying it's something to check into before you start building a truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marylandkw
    Grey and son...run don't walk away. They have way too many of their own trucks and beat the heck outta em. And at $61 an hour I would not even start my truck.

    Asphalt is great and a bulk of my business. It can dent up your gate if the operator is not paying attention. You can go thru brakes a bit faster if you are getting pushed by the paver(you have to ride your brake to avoid getting pushed out of the hopper).

    Quarry work can be ok. Sure you will make 3k a week but you will be spending 1k in fuel. For comparison I made a bit over 3k last week on $260 in fuel. Most of the quarries over here on the western side of the state are not controlled by any single company but rather by the quarry itself. Drop me a PM and I can help your friend find a quarry in whatever part of the state he wants to run.

    At least in Maryland dumps can run 6 days a week, year round, rain or shine. You should be able to make about 3k and plan on about $800-$1000 in fuel on average. Just try not to have all your eggs in one basket. I do not know of more than one or two brokers in MD for dump work. Most of it is word of mouth. But if your friend at least gets his foot in the door, he can make contacts rather quickly.

    I use my diesel powered motorcycle so much I had a pump and hose reel installed in my tool box so I could fuel it up easy :lol:
    Would you, by any chance, have any idea about the prospects of this line of trucking in the western PA ( Pittsburgh ) area ? Is it seasonal ? Who are the big companies / contractors / brokers in this area, and how much do they pay ? Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graymist
    Would you, by any chance, have any idea about the prospects of this line of trucking in the western PA ( Pittsburgh ) area ? Is it seasonal ? Who are the big companies / contractors / brokers in this area, and how much do they pay ? Thanks in advance.
    Don't really know much about that part of the world north of the mason dixon line. Perhaps Mackman will weigh in, he is from up in those parts.
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    Can you pull out of any Quarry, thereby lowering your deadhead?
    Sounds like someone could start at the quarry's and try to network into something like you have. 260 on fuel for a 3000.00 week must make you smile.

    I thought 61 an hour sounded cheap to run a truck on. Heck I get 85 an hour to plow snow with my work truck and am debating whether or not it's worth it.

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    Also, me and my friend are going to Ritchie Bros up in Northeast, MD to take a look around. Have you had any experience with RB auctions. I drove up last Saturday but they were closed, I could see a line of dump trucks, at least twenty.
    What are some things to look for on used dumps as far as wear and tear?

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    Most quarries are gonna want you to sign on full time. If you go part time you will be last in line for loads and could end up sitting a fair amount. I would suggest going full time and seeing what happens in a year or two. Unfortunately he will have a few tough years before things really settle down and he finds his niche.

    Don't know too much about ritche bros, I always buy new trucks. So many things too look for on a used dump truck. I would leave that answer up to those here who know more than I, like splitshifter.

    You could start by looking at the suspension and brakes. Any cracks in the welds on the body would be a huge red flag for me. You need to actually sit in the truck and make sure you would be comfortable in that cab for 16 hours a day. I believe anymore in Maryland you really need to buy a tri-axle dump to be competitive. Tandems are on a phase out rule whereas some are allowed 55k gross and some older ones are 65k. the 65k gross ones are being phased out rather rapidly and you could incur some significant costs in a few years in order to upgrade to a tri-axle(assuming it has enough frame). If you had a choice get a steerable lift axle as I have experienced significantly longer tire life out of a steerable lift than a non-steerable one.
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    Are some quarry's more reputable than others? How do pay? by the mile or weight?

    I'm kinda getting interested in this myself now, this could be dangerous :lol:

    Overall do you think there are to many trucks now and what's your overall take on the business? good, bad, ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RostyC
    Are some quarry's more reputable than others? How do pay? by the mile or weight?

    I'm kinda getting interested in this myself now, this could be dangerous :lol:

    Overall do you think there are to many trucks now and what's your overall take on the business? good, bad, ugly.
    Dangerous is right.

    Most all of the quarries are very reputable big business. They all pay by the loaded ton and on average most of their per ton rates are based on about $60 or so dollars an hour. But if you get caught in traffic you make even less. Don't get me wrong, there are alot of guys who go out and buy a new truck and make the payments and tuck a little bit away for themselves working out of the quarries. But are you prepared for 14-16 hour days in Maryland traffic? Six days a week? Can you begin to imagine the 2 hours of paperwork most every night after working 16 hours? 400-500 miles a day?

    Right now I think the market is heavy with trucks but there is still some room for more. But I fear with building slowing down so much, it might affect Dump Trucking very dramatically this coming winter.
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    But are you prepared for 14-16 hour days in Maryland traffic? Six days a week? Can you begin to imagine the 2 hours of paperwork most every night after working 16 hours? 400-500 miles a day?
    No, that doesn't good for me. Paperwork I'm already used to with my business now, but not after 16 hours in MD traffic.

    Thanks for all your help MDKW, if I have any more questions I know where to come.

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    Check out dirthaulers.net if you haven't already..

    I dunno about your area but its slow as shhhhh right now in CA. I personally do not see anything changing/picking up until the housing market does. I just sold my transfer and won't be buying another anytime soon.

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    Well really dont know anything about western PA i think they haul alot of coal around the summerset area. Floored sorry to hear you had to sell your truck. Dump truckin is hard to make it in. As far as hauling hot rock for 61/hr that is a joke. My oldman is doing good ell around philly pa getting 75/hr for a tri axle with out a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackman
    Well really dont know anything about western PA i think they haul alot of coal around the summerset area. Floored sorry to hear you had to sell your truck. Dump truckin is hard to make it in. As far as hauling hot rock for 61/hr that is a joke. My oldman is doing good ell around philly pa getting 75/hr for a tri axle with out a problem.
    I figured you would have forgotten everything about dump trucks now that you are a seaman. Or at least tried too forget it all.

    That company that pays 61hr bills at 75hr. I have never understood why companies need to make that much profit for doing nothing. Sure a few bucks for paperwork but 14 bucks an hour? Plus they charge an hour of travel time and keep that too. And then they have truckers knocking their doors down to work for them? I will never understand it.
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    well maryland am off the boats already i didnt like it at all.
    All they do is cut the rates for everyone i hate them basterds. Ever hear of Levrei trucking of vineland NJ i dont know if they run in MD but they do it all the time here in PA cut the rates
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