Hey, Bandit's Cousin!

[BanditsCousin]

Rev, it doesn't bother me one bit. I'll be long gone before the new tariff goes into effect. To say "United" will make more money iss ill-put when you should be saying "Graebel and all other carriers" will make more money and the contractos less.

BTW- when did you find out about all this? I've know for about 2 and 1/2 months now.

You still never told me where you got your memo from. I'm guessing from Graebel? It seems a bit biased, although it addreses the changes well.

[sidman82]

I read in Land Line mag about Settlement against Allied , North American, & Global Van Lines was settled, pending a few details. Any of you guys involved? New I/C agreement, and some compensation coming to some I/C's.

[BanditsCousin]

The issue addressed in Landline is a separate issue from the new tariff change. The clas action lawsuit with Sirva has to do with the contract between the drivers and company.

[Rev.Vassago]

Rev, it doesn't bother me one bit. I'll be long gone before the new tariff goes into effect. To say "United" will make more money iss ill-put when you should be saying "Graebel and all other carriers" will make more money and the contractos less.

United was the carrier pushing for this. Graebel, and several other carriers, protested it, and eventually settled upon requesting that the new tariff be pushed back to a later date (like late next year). What will hopefully happen with Graebel, is they will completely rewrite the I/C contract, and figure out a way to split apart what this new Tariff lumps together. That is the tentative plan they have come up with, but nobody seems to know how they are going to do it yet, as nothing has been finalized.

BTW- when did you find out about all this? I've know for about 2 and 1/2 months now.

Good for you. I have heard rumors about it, but since the changes on May 4th, everything seems to be up in the air.

You still never told me where you got your memo from. I'm guessing from Graebel? It seems a bit biased, although it addreses the changes well.

Biased how?

[BanditsCousin]

I would need substantial proof that Graebel and other carriers protested it, let alone United pushing it. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I'm not convinced.

You may be the Reverend, but your word alone is not gospel :wink:

I don't have an allegience to my carrier like people have to their home sports team, or whether Chevy's are greater than Fords. I'm not happy with the changes, so I'm leaving, not whining.

[BanditsCousin]

I missed the response to United maing more money- they won't. ALL the carriers will make more money, and less for the contractor.

My dad says th only reason for new tariffs is to make the carriers more money. My dad went on an exclusive tran-border fleet to make the kind of money he did just 10-15 yrs ago. Conisidering his 30 years in the industry v.s. our infancy in the industry I put more faith in his words than most other hhg drivers.

Like I said above, I'm not defending United, but I would like to know who's responsible for the rate decrease. Considering the industry didn't have a stellar year in the past 18 months, its no wonder the corporations need to improve their botom lines, no matter where they take the money from.

Its still better than England 8)

HHG has been god to me, nut to take any more pay cuts isn't in my business plan. I'm runing the busy season and bowing out with pride and dignity.

[RostyC]

Considering the industry didn't have a stellar year in the past 18 months, its no wonder the corporations need to improve their botom lines, no matter where they take the money from.

BINGO! That's it right there, All these corporations are doing this in one form or another. I have a contract with Pulte Homes, thank god I only have one development because they are rebidding just about everything, some contractors have taken up to a 10% cut, if you don't like it hit the bricks. Anywho, what we need is for things to pick back up then corporations won't look to squeeze every penny they can. Unfortunately, what's done is done as far as the cuts.

or whether Chevy's are greater than Fords.

As long as it ain't a Mopar!

[ben45750]

If these new changes go through, I'm contemplating getting out of the business altogether. Labor is getting terribly expensive, people are filing more claims then ever trying to make a buck, fuel is reaching all time highs unacceptable.

Sounds like someone is having a bad month?

If you get out of the "business", does this mean you will be leaving the truck message boards?

[Rev.Vassago]

Sounds like someone is having a bad month?

No, I'm not. Just planning for something, so I don't go down the same path that thousands of other O/O's do, where they wait to lose it all before they realize that they should have planned better.

If you get out of the "business", does this mean you will be leaving the truck message boards?

What does it matter?

[BanditsCousin]

I got an interesting memo from United yesterday about the Surface Transportation Board trying to eliminate common rates. I'll post it (copy) it when I get a chance.

There's a lot of finger pointing to be done here. My dad offered to cosign for a car hauling trailer if I jump ship on HHG

[BanditsCousin]

The surface transportation board is (and has succeeded) at eliminating the common rates (ie: 400n) so that every van line has its' own tariff. That means Graebel, Atlas, and United, and EVEN Mayflower have a different tariff. As good as it seems (unregulated), its gonna open the doors for 1/2 arse moving companies to provide poor service, at a great price.

Is United still the devil in a blue humpstrap? If United did lead the way for T600 tariff, it would have been to keep common rates. Common rates keep the rates higher, as opposed to all over the board, from high to low. September 4th, thats the day.

But, United can still be evil if use use the logic that because United is the largest, thus being the leverage to screwing drivers. I won't confirm or deny that, because, frankly, I don't have proof.

But next tiome you post "my accounts are better" after I post about the accounts my agent has, you should probably have proof. Namely "my accounts sometimes don't have fsc!"

I have to bark back, Rev. My name was the title of a post tying me to a carrioer that is afoul, hence lumping me into the image of such carrier with clear intent to make me appear foolish, part of the problem, or something of that nature.

Lets all make great money this summer and see what money is left in this particu;ar industry as we make plans to have an "out" if this change is signifigantly non-benfecial to our personal operations.

[BanditsCousin]

Hey Rev!

Check this out...

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/oo_shutdown_2007/

[Rev.Vassago]

But next tiome you post "my accounts are better" after I post about the accounts my agent has, you should probably have proof. Namely "my accounts sometimes don't have fsc!"

Not the ones I haul.

I have to bark back, Rev. My name was the title of a post tying me to a carrioer that is afoul, hence lumping me into the image of such carrier with clear intent to make me appear foolish, part of the problem, or something of that nature.

The thread had nothing to do with you, and everything to do with Tariff 600.

Of the two options - Tariff 600 and every carrier having its own tariff, I would rather that every carrier have its own tarriff, because I know what tariff my company will be using. The 400N tariff was created based on it, but it includes more than the 400N tariff did.

As for carriers creating a "bargain basement" tariff, it's no different than the carrier who discounts the current tariffs like mad.