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[Rev.Vassago]

OK Rev, thanks for sharing. U R totally up front, but how much time are you loading and unloading. I hear some guys here even groaning about having to tarp a flatbed. I think unloading a moving van every few days would get old. Bill

Frankly, I would say the same thing about driving. I make my money in the trailer, not behind the wheel.

A wise man once told me, "The more time you spend in (or on) the trailer, the more money you'll make". I've found that to be VERY true.

[Dejanh]

Does it matter? He asked a question, and I answered it. I don't see you posting your numbers here......


Dude, take it easy, not everone is on ,,your case'' the way you think they are, i am glad you are doing well and am glad to see you making it so theres no need for attitude, at least not towards me as i know those numbers to be true, i DONT doubt you..
My rates are not the ones you mentioned as i dont do the type of work that you do and about 80% of all dry van trucks make about the same..
You cannot compare specialized haul with the regular one expecialy if there is labor involved, you will make more, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT as you should !

BTW i get about 1.20-30 to the truck, 1.18 or so these past couple of months due to the freight being slow...which again doesnt affect you :?:

[Rev.Vassago]

Dude, take it easy, not everone is on ,,your case'' the way you think they are, i am glad you are doing well and am glad to see you making it so theres no need for attitude, at least not towards me as i know those numbers to be true, i DONT doubt you..

It isn't a matter of you doubting me or not. It's a matter of you saying that my rates don't count, because I am in a specialized field. GMAN likes to do this as well, and I have yet to see any justification for it. My rates are just as real as your rates. When push comes to shove, I have a net income just like you. The O.P. was inquiring as to what the different trades made, depending upon what type of trailer pulled, and what commodity hauled. Since I pull a trailer, and haul commodities, my numbers apply.

My rates are not the ones you mentioned as i dont do the type of work that you do and about 80% of all dry van trucks make about the same..

I know several people who would argue that point. Plus every lease operator for C.R.E.

You cannot compare specialized haul with the regular one expecialy if there is labor involved, you will make more, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT as you should !

Actually, you can. If you subtract out the labor (which I am never shy on saying how much it costs me in labor), you can get a rough idea of what I make vs. everyone else. Since I pulled in just over $182,000 last year on 54941 miles, and had about $35,000 in labor, that puts me at $147,000, or $2.68 per mile.

BTW i get about 1.20-30 to the truck, 1.18 or so these past couple of months due to the freight being slow...which again doesnt affect you :?:

I would be curious as to how many miles you drive, as it would give a better comparison to what I do to get a total amount rather than a per-mile amount.

I am not a fan of calculating by the mile anyway. It doesn't really state anything, and if you are using it to calculate you expenses, then it can screw you up if you don't meet your mileage goals.

[mike3fan]

My pay for the last three years pulling containers

2004- $136,000
2005- $142,000
2006- $144,000

If you read my ongoing thread I have switched to tankers and I am listing my weekly pay.


http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/...585&highlight=

[Rev.Vassago]

My pay for the last three years pulling containers

2004- $136,000
2005- $142,000
2006- $144,000

If you read my ongoing thread I have switched to tankers and I am listing my weekly pay.


http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/...585&highlight=

How many miles?

[mike3fan]

Honestly Rev, I kinda got away from keeping track when I was hauling containers,My truck was paid off and I was home every night(mostly) and I really didn't concern myself with it(right or wrong).If I had to guess I would say around 120,000 or more.

I am much more concerned now since going back out on the road.

[Rev.Vassago]

Honestly Rev, I kinda got away from keeping track when I was hauling containers,My truck was paid off and I was home every night(mostly) and I really didn't concern myself with it(right or wrong).If I had to guess I would say around 120,000 or more.

I am much more concerned now since going back out on the road.

Fair enough.

[heavyhaulerss]

well if 3,000 is too much... there is always u-haul....

[serbie]

OK Rev, thanks for sharing. U R totally up front, but how much time are you loading and unloading. I hear some guys here even groaning about having to tarp a flatbed. I think unloading a moving van every few days would get old. Bill

Frankly, I would say the same thing about driving. I make my money in the trailer, not behind the wheel.

A wise man once told me, "The more time you spend in (or on) the trailer, the more money you'll make". I've found that to be VERY true.

Makes perfect sense, made the best money so far in my carreer when I was moving cars. Spent all sorts of time in/on/underneath/climbing/falling off the trailer.

[Dejanh]

It isn't a matter of you doubting me or not. It's a matter of you saying that my rates don't count, because I am in a specialized field. GMAN likes to do this as well, and I have yet to see any justification for it. My rates are just as real as your rates. When push comes to shove, I have a net income just like you. The O.P. was inquiring as to what the different trades made, depending upon what type of trailer pulled, and what commodity hauled. Since I pull a trailer, and haul commodities, my numbers apply.

You do have an net income like me and i dont think anobody is disputing that but you dont make your money the same way that i make it. Just look at your numbers and you dont need any more explanation in regards to this. 50 something thousand miles on over 180,000$ :shock: dollars i think says it all. You dont make your dough driving like i do even though u drive ofcourse, you make it in that trailer and thats where the difference is. What did it ran you to move that truck on those 50K miles, 20 som. K in benjamins, i mean i dont care how specialized you get except maybe waay-waaay oversized, you cant get to that number. I admire Michaels rate of 1.70-80 per mile and he runs step deck on his own authority which is concidered to be real good and you can beat that by one more time on all miles...Even though you have and drive a truck you dont make it by doing so, you make it on the labor and whatnot more because thats the type of job that you have, its not only trucking like it is with me, its much more to it.
Again, i went through 3 months of slow freight, cheap too but i dont think it had any impact on you because you dont haul freight and you dont allign yourself with shippers/recievers/brokers like i do, your shipper is a house in LA and reciever house in Tampa, i dont think thats what most of us do rev and thats where the difference is...


And could you also elaborate the rates that Steve posted about Atlas charging abour 2$ per mile(if correct) and you way more than that as i think you should too...!

[Jackrabbit379]

Actually, I very rarely get loads heading up here. I deadheaded home from Denver a week and a half ago, because there were NO loads heading to the midwest. Not a single one. I stick where the people are, and since half the population lives on the east coast..............

I guess so. Not much in the mid west.

[Rev.Vassago]

And could you also elaborate the rates that Steve posted about Atlas charging abour 2$ per mile(if correct) and you way more than that as i think you should too...!

Steve hasn't posted any of the weight estimates that were given on that rate. It certainly isn't for a full semi trailer. I would venture to guess that it is either a straight truck, or about 1/4 of a trailer's worth. I'm also guessing that there were no accessorial charges in that rate. I make almost half my money in accessorial charges.

Without more information, that Steve hasn't provided, I can't really answer the question fully.

[Red Clay Rambler]

Regarding the comparison between HHG and other forms of trucking, here's what some people might mean:

You Rev., are willing to stay out for weeks or months at a time and willing to handle peoples' personal belongings, pay your manual labor and damage claims, etc. The container hauler wants or needs to be home alot, and doesn't want to handle that stuff, nor squeeze the truck/trailer into neighborhood subdivisions, downtown streets, etc. You are well paid for the trouble/sacrifice you go through, as you should be. To some here, those types of trucking and what's involved are just too different to compare, in terms of gross income.

[marcel27208]

i made 144k in 2006......... 47,352 mt miles/ 51,011 loaded miles

home everyday

[Paul McGraw]

Any other statements you'd like to make about things you know nothing about?

Good grief Rev.Vassago, :shock: I thought you were making good money. By the time you pay for your truck, trailer, helpers for loading and unloading, damage claims, insurance, repairs, motel bills and everything else I'm surprised you have enough left to pay for internet service. Sorry to see things aren't going very well for you. :sad:

[Teal 95 KW]

isclaimer; I realize that there was sarcasm in your post, but for those who can't pick that up......:



What you have to realize is that is only on ~50k miles. All variable expenses are going to be kept low due to the fact of the lack of wear and tear on the truck caused by excess mileage. Also, he's not running heavy, so it's not sucking down fuel...you're only going to spend ~30k on labor, and maybe about the same in fuel for the year...it wouldn't be hard to walk away with $80-90k in your pocket at the end of the year. That's not an overly high 1099 for a bedbugger actually, the HHG scene has been in a funk this past year and this year as well..............

[Orangetxguy]

Back in the early 80's, I made extra $$ helping Moving Van's get loaded when they were in town(Evanston WY), picking up corporate transfer's. I would make 60$ for 5 hours work..and usually helped load 2 houses worth(everything was already packed and wrapped). I figured out quick how much a moving van could make, if it hauled 3 households at a time, if there was room. The drivers ALWAYS loaded the furthest drop first..and so on...and almost always said they would maybe pickup one more drop, after geting rid of the first and/or second drops.

I'm willing to bet, that is how the Rev, Teale 95 and Bandit's Cuz work now.

From Teale 95 KW :

"What you have to realize is that is only on ~50k miles. All variable expenses are going to be kept low due to the fact of the lack of wear and tear on the truck caused by excess mileage. Also, he's not running heavy, so it's not sucking down fuel...you're only going to spend ~30k on labor, and maybe about the same in fuel for the year...it wouldn't be hard to walk away with $80-90k in your pocket at the end of the year. That's not an overly high 1099 for a bedbugger actually, the HHG scene has been in a funk this past year and this year as well.............."

[Rev.Vassago]

Good grief Rev.Vassago, :shock: I thought you were making good money. By the time you pay for your

truck,$2558 per month
trailer,$0 per month - I don't own it, the company does.
helpers for loading and unloading, $35,000 last year
damage claims, About $7500 last year
insurance,About $700 per month
repairs,Warranty picked up all repairs, but my maintainance costs are about $300 every 4 months - that's how often I get an oil change
motel billsAbout $500 last year - I don't really get hotel rooms that often
and everything elseThat about covers my expenses
I'm surprised you have enough left to pay for internet service.$49.99 per month
Sorry to see things aren't going very well for you. :sad:

Last year was a decent year. I had about $55,000 in taxable income before I took my depreciation, which wiped out a good chunk of that amount. But, I use a good accountant who found many ways to get my income down to $55,000.