kids in trucks

[Jackrabbit379]

What about kids that were raised in a truck? I was 3 or 4 years old the first time that I stepped foot in a truck.

[Dmitri_Lithuania]

Cheeldren for trucking maybe not so bad. For when tyres are the bursting and exploding everywheres, many hands needed for sure to lift truck for changing wheels. Good string cheeldren possibilities helping. For sure :wink:

[Rev.Vassago]

What about kids that were raised in a truck? I was 3 or 4 years old the first time that I stepped foot in a truck.

And look at how you turned out. :P

[RostyC]

What about kids that were raised in a truck? I was 3 or 4 years old the first time that I stepped foot in a truck.

And look at how you turned out. :P

I agree, you're pretty screwed up there jackrabbit!

[jacob]

What about kids that were raised in a truck? I was 3 or 4 years old the first time that I stepped foot in a truck.

I was in a truck when I was two weeks old. Thats where I was most of the time until I had to go to school. And from then on I went along during breaks from school.

[Twilight Flyer]

I was in a truck when I was two weeks old. Thats where I was most of the time until I had to go to school. And from then on I went along during breaks from school.

While I still don't agree with that, you were still able to go to school, develop socially, and had freedom from that "box." A child home-schooled in a truck might as well be in prison. It really is not much different and today's Child Services will have a field day with it. That's not being mean...that is just the way it is.

[Dejanh]

its no place for children

that is a dumb idea

its child abuse

[birdY]

Does anyone know if you can have two children, ages 5 and 10 in your truck. I want to take them on the road. I want to buy the large 120in condo and hire out. My wife will be getting her CDL and we home school.

It's legal if:

They are listed as Authorized Passengers, on a notorized letter from whoever holds the Authority. The letter must state the start and end date of the trip, and contain the information that the passenger is covered by the required insurance. (accident & medical) A trip for a minor is 30 days or less. Positive (Picture ID) is required.

AND

There must be a SEAT with a DOT approved restraint system appropriate to the size and age of each passenger. Bunk restraints DO NOT COUNT. The child restraint and seat belt laws DO APPLY to commercial vehicles. In fact, they are much stricter.

When a co-driver isn't driving they may (or may not) be classified as a passenger. This is a gray area in the regs and laws. (They conflict.)

So to be truly legal you need to add 2 forward facing seats with DOT approved restraint systems, installed to DOT specs, by a qualified installer. (Just bolting a seat to the cab floor DOES NOT COUNT, expect to have to prove the legality of the seats.) I don't think any manufacturer builds an off the line truck with the framing for a 2nd pair of seats, with shoulder belts. The only legal 3rd seat I've ever seen was in a custom sleeper, and the owner said it took close to a year to get the DOT approvals to have the sleeper built. He came in with an inch thick paperwork file to prove it, too. And even then, it was a b*tch to get insurance. And expensive...very, very expensive.

Since you are going to be one purchasing the insurance, start calling agents now.

The carrier can't authorize a passenger without insurance. It's not legal, and it sets them up for the lawsuit from hell. Which means it is the insurance company gets to set up any conditions they want, as long as they exceed the minimum required by law. And all you can do is try to find an insurance carrier with conditions you can live with.

That said, kids on a team truck is a BAD idea. The point of a team truck is that it's moving 22 hours a day. It's hard enough to have a single child with a solo driver, for any length of time. After the first few weeks or so, they hate the truck, they hate the food, they hate the road and they want to go home... With Daddy or Mommy if possible, but they are more than happy to volunteer to go home with the dispatchers, or the safety people, or the mechanics. We've all had offers, I could have had a dozen or so kids in the last year I worked in/around the office. It really should make you wonder just who else they volunteered to go home with...

Kids need to move, and play, and interact with people. None of which happens with a truck that is moving 22 hours a day.

Have you considered the basic logistics of the whole idea? You are driving, your wife is sleeping, and the kids are doing what? It's illegal (as well as extremely stupid) to be in the top bunk while the truck is moving. (that is why there are no restraints up there) So they are doing what? Watching videos, playing games? Picking fights? Can you sleep with the noise 4 feet away? In a moving truck? Can your wife? In 11 hours it's going to her turn to drive and your turn in the bunk. What are the kids doing then? When and where do they sleep? Have you ever shared a 32 inch bed with your 10 year old? What about potty breaks? What about your stuff? What about their toys, books, games? What's for dinner? Breakfast? Lunch?

[mereman]

First let me thank everyone who took the time to post. I do appreciate the thoughts; some I do not agree with but I truly am moved by what I feel is heartfelt concern for my children. This is much of what I am trying to instill in my children and I feel is much lacking in our society today.
I am happy to tell all that I was offered a job today on a local dedicated run. This do much to alleviate my present circumstances and get us back on track.
Thanks again to everyone.

keep em turn'in

[Rev.Vassago]

It's legal if:

They are listed as Authorized Passengers, on a notorized letter from whoever holds the Authority. The letter must state the start and end date of the trip, and contain the information that the passenger is covered by the required insurance. (accident & medical) A trip for a minor is 30 days or less. Positive (Picture ID) is required.

AND

There must be a SEAT with a DOT approved restraint system appropriate to the size and age of each passenger. Bunk restraints DO NOT COUNT. The child restraint and seat belt laws DO APPLY to commercial vehicles. In fact, they are much stricter.

When a co-driver isn't driving they may (or may not) be classified as a passenger. This is a gray area in the regs and laws. (They conflict.)

So to be truly legal you need to add 2 forward facing seats with DOT approved restraint systems, installed to DOT specs, by a qualified installer. (Just bolting a seat to the cab floor DOES NOT COUNT, expect to have to prove the legality of the seats.) I don't think any manufacturer builds an off the line truck with the framing for a 2nd pair of seats, with shoulder belts. The only legal 3rd seat I've ever seen was in a custom sleeper, and the owner said it took close to a year to get the DOT approvals to have the sleeper built. He came in with an inch thick paperwork file to prove it, too. And even then, it was a b*tch to get insurance. And expensive...very, very expensive.

I like you already.

[devildice]

I am happy to tell all that I was offered a job today on a local dedicated run. This do much to alleviate my present circumstances and get us back on track.
Thanks again to everyone.

keep em turn'in

Congrats mereman!!!!! Glad to hear that things may work out better than you hoped for the entire family. Be sure to keep us all posted on your progress.

[person]

BirdY sure has alot to say w/out even one tiny drop of documentation mentioned. For instance, chapter and verse. Anybody could write up something like that. There is no possible way that we would know what part(s) to deem as true unless we wanted to spend alotta time researching it. It could ALL be true, but as it stands it is worthless. (And I don't mean a particular companies rules.)

[Rev.Vassago]

BirdY sure has alot to say w/out even one tiny drop of documentation mentioned. For instance, chapter and verse. Anybody could write up something like that. There is no possible way that we would know what part(s) to deem as true unless we wanted to spend alotta time researching it. It could ALL be true, but as it stands it is worthless.

So, let's look it up, shall we? Or at least I will, since you don't want to bother (but that isn't stopping you from griping about it).

They are listed as Authorized Passengers, on a notorized letter from whoever holds the Authority. The letter must state the start and end date of the trip, and contain the information that the passenger is covered by the required insurance. (accident & medical) A trip for a minor is 30 days or less. Positive (Picture ID) is required.

Nothing in the FMCSA regs on this one. Probably a company policy, or an insurance policy.

AND

There must be a SEAT with a DOT approved restraint system appropriate to the size and age of each passenger. Bunk restraints DO NOT COUNT. The child restraint and seat belt laws DO APPLY to commercial vehicles. In fact, they are much stricter.

Correct, to a point:

§398.5 Parts and accessories necessary for safe operation.

(f) Passenger compartment. Every motor vehicle transporting passengers, other than a bus, shall have a passenger compartment meeting the following requirements:

(f)(4) Seats. On and after November 1, 1957, a seat shall be provided for each worker transported. The seats shall be: Securely attached to the vehicle during the course of transportation; not less than 16 inches nor more than 19 inches above the floor; at least 13 inches deep; equipped with backrests extending to a height of at least 36 inches above the floor, with at least 24 inches of space between the backrests or between the edges of the opposite seats when face to face; designed to provide at least 18 inches of seat for each passenger; without cracks more than two inches wide, and the exposed surfaces, if made of wood, planed or sanded smooth and free of splinters.

The same child restraint laws apply to CMV's as to passenger cars.

[devildice]

BirdY sure has alot to say w/out even one tiny drop of documentation mentioned. For instance, chapter and verse. Anybody could write up something like that. There is no possible way that we would know what part(s) to deem as true unless we wanted to spend alotta time researching it. It could ALL be true, but as it stands it is worthless.

So, let's look it up, shall we? Or at least I will, since you don't want to bother (but that isn't stopping you from griping about it).

They are listed as Authorized Passengers, on a notorized letter from whoever holds the Authority. The letter must state the start and end date of the trip, and contain the information that the passenger is covered by the required insurance. (accident & medical) A trip for a minor is 30 days or less. Positive (Picture ID) is required.

Nothing in the FMCSA regs on this one. Probably a company policy, or an insurance policy.

AND

There must be a SEAT with a DOT approved restraint system appropriate to the size and age of each passenger. Bunk restraints DO NOT COUNT. The child restraint and seat belt laws DO APPLY to commercial vehicles. In fact, they are much stricter.

Correct, to a point:

§398.5 Parts and accessories necessary for safe operation.

(f) Passenger compartment. Every motor vehicle transporting passengers, other than a bus, shall have a passenger compartment meeting the following requirements:

(f)(4) Seats. On and after November 1, 1957, a seat shall be provided for each worker transported. The seats shall be: Securely attached to the vehicle during the course of transportation; not less than 16 inches nor more than 19 inches above the floor; at least 13 inches deep; equipped with backrests extending to a height of at least 36 inches above the floor, with at least 24 inches of space between the backrests or between the edges of the opposite seats when face to face; designed to provide at least 18 inches of seat for each passenger; without cracks more than two inches wide, and the exposed surfaces, if made of wood, planed or sanded smooth and free of splinters.

The same child restraint laws apply to CMV's as to passenger cars.

Rev, I love it when you break out the regs to prove or disprove something. Guess the military side of me appeals to it as we ALWAYS have to back up our positions with "In Accordance With" (IAW) such and such reg.

[person]

rev, I wasn't complaining. Honest. Simply pointing out they were worthless unless we had a way to judge it. We coulda looked it up w/out him writing a thing.

What are you quoting from?
That f4 thing says "workers."
And "Every motor vehicle transporting passengers" really is a state thing. Does it mean transporting passengers for hire across state lines? I mean what page are we on here? I'm lost

[Rev.Vassago]

rev, I wasn't complaining. Honest. Simply pointing out they were worthless unless we had a way to judge it. We coulda looked it up w/out him writing a thing.

What are you quoting from?
That f4 thing says "workers."
And "Every motor vehicle transporting passengers" really is a state thing. Does it mean transporting passengers for hire across state lines? I mean what page are we on here? I'm lost

It says workers, but I believe it says that because that is what is generally transported in a CMV. After all, it isn't an RV. But passengers are passengers, and I believe the reg applies to all passengers, workers or not.

[Twilight Flyer]

Whatever the case...

I am happy to tell all that I was offered a job today on a local dedicated run. This do much to alleviate my present circumstances and get us back on track.

Mucho congrats on that. That's definitely good news all around. 8)

[Jackrabbit379]

What about kids that were raised in a truck? I was 3 or 4 years old the first time that I stepped foot in a truck.

And look at how you turned out. :P

Yeah, I know. I should have been a doctor, or a professor, or some other way of being filthy rich. :P