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    You can substitute Swift, Schneider, Werner etc ... for Crash and Roll England.....


    Oregon lawsuit puts big trucking into spotlight

    by Bryan Denson, The Oregonian Friday August 21, 2009, 8:42 PM


    Jesus Nieves Olivares was candid with a Utah trucking outfit four years ago, when he applied to become a driver: He had gone to prison for killing three men, and he had once been a cocaine user. But this didn't stop the company from giving him a few weeks training and pointing him at the open road.
    Nieves Olivares, who hailed from Puerto Rico, wanted to better his life. But U.S. highways quickly proved too much for him. On his first two days on the road, he was ticketed twice for driving too many hours. He got another citation after running off the road in Georgia. Then another when California authorities detained him for lack of rest.
    On Nov. 8, 2005, pressured by dispatchers to get a load of bananas to the Winco grocery in Woodburn on time, Nieves Olivares ran a red light and collided with a Ford Escort station wagon, severely injuring 85-year-old Marjorie Dunn.
    Mistakes made by the rookie driver, now 54, are expected to take center stage Monday in Portland's federal courthouse, where trial begins in a civil complaint originally brought by Dunn and now -- two years after cancer took her life -- her daughter, Andrea Lister. The lawsuit accuses Nieves Olivares and trucking giant C.R. England Inc. of gross negligence.
    Lister's suit alleges that C.R. England, which bills itself as the nation's largest refrigerated trucking company, looked past Nieves Olivares' past and rushed him onto highways whose signs, in English, were hard for him to comprehend.
    The lawsuit accuses the company of keeping the rookie driver on the road -- with no additional training and no drug or alcohol testing -- even after two accidents and multiple tickets. By federal law, drivers must be tested for drugs and alcohol after an injury accident.
    "The most sinister part is not even really the driver," said plaintiffs attorney Thomas D'Amore of Portland. "It's the company that brings in these kinds of drivers and puts these folks on the road. ... You are putting them in a highly dangerous instrument on our freeways, exposing us all to them."
    Lister's lawsuit seeks $430,000 in compensatory damages and unspecified punitive damages.
    Court papers filed by C.R. England's lawyers say the company should not face punitive damages because one of its drivers ran a red light and caused an accident. The company is not liable for such damages, they wrote, because it did not act maliciously or with conscious indifference to anyone's health, safety or welfare. C.R. England's attorneys in Portland did not respond to requests for comment.
    Jury selection begins Monday before U.S. District Judge Michael R. Hogan in Portland.
    Two points of focus for plaintiff
    Plaintiffs attorneys are expected to make much at trial about Nieves Olivares' shortcomings as a driver and the pressure C.R. England put on him to keep his freight moving.
    But his troubles began long before C.R. England hired him. In the early 1980s, he was convicted of assault. He later obliterated the serial number of a handgun and shot six people in what he described in a deposition as self-defense. Three of his victims died.
    Convicted in Puerto Rico of homicidio, Nieves Olivares drew a 20-year prison sentence. He got out in 10, went to work as a temporary laborer and attended college. But he couldn't find permanent work.
    Friends at church told him about C.R. England, which was advertising for drivers in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory, and its residents are U.S. citizens. Nieves Olivares picked up the phone, hoping that his dream of one day building a house for his daughter might come true.
    On Aug. 11, 2005, Nieves Olivares told his prospective employers about the killings and his earlier drug use. C.R. England found that the trainee met minimum hiring qualifications, according to a company document filed in the lawsuit.
    Nieves Olivares made a home in a company dorm in Salt Lake City to attend driving school. In a deposition, Nieves Olivares recalled that his training lasted three weeks and that he had a hard time following the lessons because they were given in English.
    On Oct. 11, 2005, he earned his commercial driver's license. But 27 days later -- after a slew of tickets and other mishaps -- Nieves Olivares was so fed up with the hassles of driving a big rig he was ready to quit and go home to Puerto Rico.
    At a weigh station in Cottonwood, Calif., on Nov. 7, 2005, he sent angry text messages to dispatchers on his onboard computer. "IM (OUT OF) USA AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, I RESIGN," he wrote. "NO MAS."
    A dispatcher asked where he was shut down and how much weight he was carrying so she could keep the load moving.
    Fifteen hours later, after paying a ticket in Red Bluff, Calif., the rookie driver sent a note to his handlers: "IM UNDER SNOWY WEATHER AND CHAINS ARE REQUIRED AND I DONT KNOW HOW TO INSTALL THEM." A dispatcher encouraged him to find someone to assist him.
    The next afternoon, Nov. 8, 2005, one of Nieves Olivares' handlers sent him an apologetic text: "I know we are pushing you and I am sorry but I have to get this trailer to winco asap."
    At 4:03 p.m., Olivares ran a red light and missed a gear as he drove into an intersection in Woodburn. He did not see Marjorie Dunn behind the wheel of her Escort station wagon, which punched into the rear wheels of his truck and flipped into a light pole, according to a witness account in a police report.
    Nieves Olivares found Dunn behind the wheel. There was blood on her deployed airbags. The woman, holding her bloody nose, looked at the driver with wide eyes and slumped to one side.
    "Oh, lady," the truck driver recalled saying in a deposition, "please don't die on me."
    Emergency workers pushed him away and whisked Dunn to an emergency room in Salem.
    At the end of that month, as Nieves Olivares faced termination, he sent a text message to the company that he wanted his money back for the truck driving school. And he typed a few lines about the day of his Woodburn wreck, saying two of his handlers were "rushing me to get a load of bananas ... and made me have an accident."


    C.R. England rates OK

    C.R. England's drivers were involved in 13 fatal crashes in the past two years, according to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. Government regulators give the company a satisfactory safety rating, owing to the huge volume of miles driven each year by its 5,200 drivers.
    Jurors will hear much about Marjorie Dunn, by all accounts an outgoing octogenarian who took pride in her independence and ability to drive. They will hear how she lived in pain the last 19 months of her life, the result of a fractured cervical spine and lingering soreness.
    In court papers, family members describe her as a vibrant woman left so depressed after the crash that she lost the will to live. Dunn survived the accident but succumbed to cancer diagnosed in the final days of her life. She died June 22, 2007.


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    I can't believe that it has taken 12 years to come to trial. This is a good example of why drivers should be fluent in English. I am surprised that he didn't speak fluent English since he grew up in Puerto Rico. Some carriers do push new drivers. It is up to the driver to say no or that he doesn't have enough hours to get a load to it's destination. It is hard to believe that CR England has a satisfactory safety rating with so many fatalities within such a short time.

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    Good post Big D. England puts this guy on the road with little training. He gets two HOS tickets in his first two days but they dont think they should be held responsible? And he wants his money back for his training? It is obvious he didnt read the fine print in his contract. Good luck building that new straw hut in Puerto Rico stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMAN View Post
    I can't believe that it has taken 12 years to come to trial.
    The accident happened less than 4 years ago.
    If you can't shift it smoothly, you shouldn't be driving it.

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    He knew enough English to get along it doen't take much to know how to drive and read signs. His text read okay. He served his sentence in prison, when does a person get a chance? It sounds more as if he was intimidated by England to run longer than he should or maybe didn't know how to figure out his hours. It also sounds as if he was pressured by dispatch to deliver a load and had an accident because of his wanting to please dispatch. Those two things happen to many new drivers who speak English and have no criminal records.

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    WOW that is a real eye opening post. It is hard to believe this guy was given a driving job with his past including killing people and also hard to believe he wasnt fired for so many tickets etc. It is up to us drivers to protect OUR CDL and to not let a company push us to run illegal once again its not their license it is ours.When I decided to get in to trucking I had many people try and convince me that I didnt need to go to school to get my CDL but my response was I want to do this right and get the training so myself and others would be safer.I am very glad I chose the driving school I did because the instructors were top shelf people who really cared about putting educated safe drivers on the road. While at school there were a handfull of people the state was paying for and they were treating it like a 3 week summer camp instead of taking it serious and many of them were set back weeks and told if they didnt get serious they woulnt ever graduate.I take my new career very serious and fully understand the responsibility that comes along with it. I will be representing a proud profession and plan to not let my fellow truckers down with my actions behind the wheel.It is a real shame this guy caused the damage he did to others. Sorry for the long post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kranky View Post
    The accident happened less than 4 years ago.
    Oops. I misread the date of the woman's death. What can I say. It was late.

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    What gets me, is that everybody thinks that the tickets and the failure to yield accident prooved he shouldn't have been behind the wheel. I would like to see his agility tests and other 'tests' he had at training. There are always warning signs about a drivers ability when his skills are THIS lacking. two tickets in two days, running a red light, being put OOS are just the climax. If England did not see this coming during their training...then heads need to roll.

    AND for the company to say they arent responsible would be like NASA saying they arent responsible if one of their highly trained commanders crashes the shuttle on landing.
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    Here is the link for those that wish to leave comments on the article....


    Oregon lawsuit puts big trucking into spotlight - OregonLive.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDiesel View Post
    Court papers filed by C.R. England's lawyers say the company should not face punitive damages because one of its drivers ran a red light and caused an accident. The company is not liable for such damages, they wrote, because it did not act maliciously or with conscious indifference to anyone's health, safety or welfare.
    Yeah right. Conscious indifference, or what I call willful ignorance, is all over that story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinytim View Post
    Yeah right. Conscious indifference, or what I call willful ignorance, is all over that story.
    Sooooooo who are you defending ???? Crash and Roll ??? The ex-con driver who suposedly no habla'd engrish, or the system who allows Crash an Roll England, Swift, Werner, Schneider to operate in this manner??

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    Defending? I'm not defending anyone. I was pointing out that I think the arguement against punitive damages is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDiesel View Post
    Sooooooo who are you defending ???? Crash and Roll ??? The ex-con driver who suposedly no habla'd engrish, or the system who allows Crash an Roll England, Swift, Werner, Schneider to operate in this manner??
    They're all guilty as hell!

    1. C.R.

    2. Mr. No Hablo Pablo.

    3. The system that allows stuff like this to happen.

    This is so outrageous that I wouldn't even mind seeing some liability thrown on the shipper if it would help prevent it from happening again.

    Please keep us posted on the outcome

    How did he spend 15 hours getting from Cottonwood to Red Bluff? And then couldn't make Woodburn til the next day?
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    Why should the shipper get some of the liability? They hired CRE to haul a load for them, It was CRE's responsibility to have a safe, competent driver take the load from point A to point B. Now, If the shipper loaded the load overweight or in a manner that caused the trailer to tip and be a factor in the crash then maybe.
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    England is going to settle this case. There is little doubt this guy shouldn't have been out on his own and I doubt England wants to sit around too long while the jury gets better educated as to the extent of that doubt.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDiesel View Post
    Sooooooo who are you defending ???? Crash and Roll ??? The ex-con driver who suposedly no habla'd engrish, or the system who allows Crash an Roll England, Swift, Werner, Schneider to operate in this manner??
    Under similar circumstances I would SPECULATE that Swift (and the others) would have repowered the load.

    The first line after "NO MAS" implies that England was trying to get the load repowered. Despite the inflamatory quotes provided, I suspect there were at least a few routine messages which might help to explain why the load was not repowered and how this driver continued on to Woodburn.

    . . the system who allows . . is the system of your making. The pay per mile fraud which companies like yours continue to perpetuate will keep the doors open to an endless stream of rookies and keep slamming the doors on good drivers who need to support a household.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdswans View Post
    England is going to settle this case. There is little doubt this guy shouldn't have been out on his own and I doubt England wants to sit around too long while the jury gets better educated as to the extent of that doubt.



    Under similar circumstances I would SPECULATE that Swift (and the others) would have repowered the load.

    The first line after "NO MAS" implies that England was trying to get the load repowered. Despite the inflamatory quotes provided, I suspect there were at least a few routine messages which might help to explain why the load was not repowered and how this driver continued on to Woodburn.

    . . the system who allows . . is the system of your making. The pay per mile fraud which companies like yours continue to perpetuate will keep the doors open to an endless stream of rookies and keep slamming the doors on good drivers who need to support a household.
    Defending the mega-carriers as usual..... But I guess that is what a Swift recruiter does....

    I am going downtown for a lunch meeting today, I think I will stop by the courthouse and have a look see....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDiesel View Post
    Defending the mega-carriers as usual..... But I guess that is what a Swift recruiter does....
    My comments were clearly a condemnation of all carriers who engage in and perpetuate the pay per mile fraud, mega or otherwise, yours included.

    Rather than pay a competant driver, England chose to roll the dice and bleed this freak for all he was worth. Now, England will pay. It's in the business plan, business as usual.

    I have done well by Swift and speak well of them but I can't recruit for them. That would require too much line 4 time and diminish the profitability of my truck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdswans View Post
    England is going to settle this case. There is little doubt this guy shouldn't have been out on his own and I doubt England wants to sit around too long while the jury gets better educated as to the extent of that doubt.
    I'm surprised CRE didn't settle: "Look, here's $500,000 (or whatever), you agree to keep quiet, we admit no wrongdoing. Sign here." It would be a small sum for them. But they didn't settle, and, if they don't, a jury will get that education. However, the case is also about unspecified punitive damages. In a recent Swift case in Kansas (?), the jury decided that $13.5 million (?) was suitable punitive damages (Swift wouldn't produce a driver's logs). Swift appealed. This case could be about big bucks--I doubt CRE really cares about the publicity; the story will fade. If CRE does lose, they'll appeal and appeal and appeal and drag it out for years. We'll see.

    Clearly, Mr. Olivares shouldn't have been on the road. Wouldn't most carriers kick him to the curb PDQ?

    How did he get through training? Why didn't they fire him? I hope those questions are answered at trial.

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    Last I read . . this can change and it does . . typical coverage is self insured up to the first "x" million and the insurer kicks in after that. It's a contract thing that changes everytime they find a better contract.

    I'm guessing that England's circumstances are similar but to what level, I have no idea. England's election not to settle pretrial is not unusual. Pretrial motions are in front of a judge, alone, and are based on the law and civil procedure . . not the kind of artistry you save for a jury. England knows it's in hot water and is gambling that they can save some money by proceeding to trial on the facts. The plaintiffs are gambling that they can make more money on their presentation of the facts, the unique circumstances, their theatrics and influence over the sympathies of a jury.

    England is going to need an enormous break to overcome the state of mind of their desperate, (admissable in a civil trial) convicted murderer. That's why I think they'll settle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdswans View Post
    Last I read . . this can change and it does . . typical coverage is self insured up to the first "x" million and the insurer kicks in after that. It's a contract thing that changes everytime they find a better contract.

    I'm guessing that England's circumstances are similar but to what level, I have no idea. England's election not to settle pretrial is not unusual. Pretrial motions are in front of a judge, alone, and are based on the law and civil procedure . . not the kind of artistry you save for a jury. England knows it's in hot water and is gambling that they can save some money by proceeding to trial on the facts. The plaintiffs are gambling that they can make more money on their presentation of the facts, the unique circumstances, their theatrics and influence over the sympathies of a jury.

    England is going to need an enormous break to overcome the state of mind of their desperate, (admissable in a civil trial) convicted murderer. That's why I think they'll settle.
    You are correct. Basicly it is a million dollar deductable. .... least for Swift it is.
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