Just shut up already.....

[GMAN]

I've dealt with steel plants YEARS ago. Now show me a non-union steel plant that you got right out of. Oh wait - they're all union, so you have nothing to compare them to. You deal with shipping and receiving departments. That's not necessarily indicative of how an entire plant runs. You're lumping an entire group into a basket, and saying you don't like the group. I'll spare the word so that you won't accuse me of name calling.

I was talking about my experience with these plants, which involves the shipping department. One union plant that has gotten me out fairly quickly is a steel plant near Pittsburgh, PA. There are a couple of non union steel companies which have gotten me out fairly quickly. One was JIT in Chattanooga, TN. They did their job and I didn't have to wait long for them to get me in and out. I have had to wait at non union plants, but the wait is usually not as long and as a rule they seem to get me out much faster than the union shops.




Nope, not me. I've had to wait plenty of times at non union shops while they took breaks though.

Perhaps it is your easy going non confrontational personality.



You're absolutely right - it's tougher to get rid of a non productive worker in a union shop. But that does not mean that all union members, or even a MAJORITY of union members are unproductive.

There you go twisting what I have said again. I never said that all union workers are non productive. However, by paying everyone the same without any incentive to do more there is no reason for those workers to do more than the minimum to get by. There is a reason so many employers have moved from heavy union states to more friendly right to work states or abroad.

[GMAN]

That's what you say now, but when you get there and you have to wait, you'll be b**ching about how it must be due to the lazy union forklift operators.

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I do that now and there are plenty of forklift operators.

[GMAN]

[quote=Rev.Vassago;463328]LOL. Nope.

List of socialist countries: Information from Answers.com

Do a search for "Socialism in France."

[GMAN]

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We still have an independant mentality in this country, especially in the trucking industry. Most people who are drivers seem to aspire to own their truck and be their own boss as an owner operator. You don't see many businessmen strike. I am not sure that is the case in France.
So now you're advocating socialism? Just the other day you were claiming Obama was a socialist (even though he isn't) and this was somehow a bad thing. I really don't think you understand what Socialism is.


I am not sure how you made the stretch that I advocate socialism from this post. I am beginning to think that you have a reading comprehension problem. I will try to make it clear for you. I do not now nor have I every advocated socialism. It is a flawed system that doesn't work. It will never work.

[Rev.Vassago]

Do a search for "Socialism in France."

I did that yesterday. That link was one of the results. There is a Socialist Party in France, but they don't hold a Majority in the Assembly, Senate, or Parliament. Furthermore, the Socialist Party in France aligns itself with Social Democracy, which Socialists are critical of, considering to be essentially the same as capitalism. I still contend you don't understand what Socialism is. Why don't you just tell me what exactly you think the word "Socialist" means. Then I'll at least know what context you're using it in, as the term is very vague.

[Mackman]

There you go twisting what I have said again. I never said that all union workers are non productive.

Here ya go G

Unions don't work.....literally. Union workers are among the most unproductive on this planet.

Too me it sounds like you mean all of them.

[GMAN]

Here ya go G




Too me it sounds like you mean all of them.

I was thinking more about the steel plants where I have delivered, Mackman. That is probably too broad of a statement to be fair. Most of my personal experience with union workers has not been very positive. I do remember seeing how hard some of these UPS drivers work and they are union. How is that?

[Kranky]

I was thinking more about the steel plants where I have delivered, Mackman. That is probably too broad of a statement to be fair. Most of my personal experience with union workers has not been very positive. I do remember seeing how hard some of these UPS drivers work and they are union. How is that?

You weren't just painting with a broad brush GMan, you were using a friggin' mop!

If you saw the way we do things where I work, you would not say union workers are unproductive.

Actually we all appreciate the fact that we're compensated well, and we try to do the best job possible in exchange for those wages & benefits.

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[GMAN]

I still contend you don't understand what Socialism is. Why don't you just tell me what exactly you think the word "Socialist" means. Then I'll at least know what context you're using it in, as the term is very vague.

Basically, socialism is where the government takes over businesses or segments of it. Essentially, when you work for certain companies that are partly or completely owned by the government it is socialism. Socialism takes away the free market. Socialism takes away the incentive to produce and to do for oneself. When this government took an ownership position in U.S. automakers and banks then it changed the dynamic from a free market to socialism. I am not saying that this country is now a socialistic country, but it is heading very rapidly in that direction.

[Snowman7]

Forklift operators could be paid a flat rate for each truck they load. That could also work for crane operators in steel plants. I doubt that you would wait very long to get loaded or unloaded if they were paid for each truck.

Yeah thats a good idea there. Crane operators in a hurry with 50,000 lb coils!

[Rev.Vassago]

That is probably too broad of a statement to be fair.

Ummm, ya think? You were making extremely broad general statements about entire industries, which you are now saying are solely based on personal testimonial.

Basically, socialism is where the government takes over businesses or segments of it. Essentially, when you work for certain companies that are partly or completely owned by the government it is socialism. Socialism takes away the free market. Socialism takes away the incentive to produce and to do for oneself. When this government took an ownership position in U.S. automakers and banks then it changed the dynamic from a free market to socialism. I am not saying that this country is now a socialistic country, but it is heading very rapidly in that direction.

Sorry, GMAN, but that isn't Socialism. Not even close. If anything, it's Communism, but it's not entirely that either. I'd implore you to read up on the labels you are using, so that you can use them properly.