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  1. 06-07-2009 09:20 AM #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
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    So now we've established that you're expendable, and we're just arguing the dollar figures.
    I've always been expendable. That's never been an issue of debate. But, until I am expended, the dollar figures will ALWAYS be up for debate.
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    Windwalkers point that wages have not increased with workers productivity is a proven fact.

    The financial industry has staged a quiet coup- they are now the ones running the country, and they are the ones destroying it. And it bothers me that Obama, thus far, is doing nothing to stop them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LightsChromeHorsepower View Post
    Windwalkers point that wages have not increased with workers productivity is a proven fact.

    The financial industry has staged a quiet coup- they are now the ones running the country, and they are the ones destroying it. And it bothers me that Obama, thus far, is doing nothing to stop them.
    Even worse. The bailout will only prolong the conclusion. It amounts to a band-aid over the problem, with no solution, and that means that the problem is not cured. It's going to haunt us all shortly, again. And, each time there is a bailout, it's going to get that much worse when the conclusion finally does get to us. This time, $3.7 trillion. Next time, $8 to $10 trillion. Eventually, that will catch up to all of us, even those that received little or no benefit from the bailout. The longer it takes, and the more band-aids it takes, the greater the monster we will all get to face.

    If I had had faith in any of the candidates, I would not have stated that I was running as a "write-in candidate". They ALL needed a serious "NO CONFIDANCE VOTE", and they did not get it.

    On national television, Obama stated that "FAILURE SHOULD NOT BE REWARDED". But does AIG have to pay back any of the money they gave out in executive bonusses???
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    Quote Originally Posted by LightsChromeHorsepower View Post

    The financial industry has staged a quiet coup- they are now the ones running the country, and they are the ones destroying it. And it bothers me that Obama, thus far, is doing nothing to stop them.

    Most likely they are the ones that gave him a sweet deal on his mortgage. Along with Rezco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LightsChromeHorsepower View Post
    Windwalkers point that wages have not increased with workers productivity is a proven fact.

    moot point as well because there is cheaper labor to be had
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    Quote Originally Posted by dobry4u View Post
    moot point as well because there is cheaper labor to be had
    Unfortunately, that cheaper labor also has lower expenses (food prices, electricity, car insurance may be non-existent), less EPA restrictions, little to no health insurance coverage, etc. It still comes down to management deciding to suppress wages increases, and go with all that foreign labor, buying from foreign manufacturers. As they did, Americans lost their jobs, and with the suppressed wages and part-time work, the hardship is now filtering up to the executive level. And, they don't like it. But, they can get the bailouts... We can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windwalker View Post
    Unfortunately, that cheaper labor also has lower expenses (food prices, electricity, car insurance may be non-existent), less EPA restrictions, little to no health insurance coverage, etc. It still comes down to management deciding to suppress wages increases, and go with all that foreign labor, buying from foreign manufacturers. As they did, Americans lost their jobs, and with the suppressed wages and part-time work, the hardship is now filtering up to the executive level. And, they don't like it. But, they can get the bailouts... We can't.
    you are mistaken.. it comes down to free enterprise dealing with a world economy. Cheaper labor is elsewhere. Much, much more accurate causation using the big picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dobry4u View Post
    you are mistaken.. it comes down to free enterprise dealing with a world economy. Cheaper labor is elsewhere. Much, much more accurate causation using the big picture.
    So, are you saying you are willing to work for half the pay because the drivers in other countries get paid less? Even though, your bills won't be reduced any and you won't be able to keep up anymore? Is that what you're telling me?

    I'm sitting at the Flying J on Grant St, thinking about the suburbs of Chicago tomorrow, and there is no way I'll take that kind of cut in pay to fight with that. (Finishing up tomorrow in Milwaukee will, at least, put me back into a half civilized world again.)

    But, I think you'll find that most people here don't think of it as a "world economy". They're trying desperately to cover their own butts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windwalker View Post
    So, are you saying you are willing to work for half the pay because the drivers in other countries get paid less? Even though, your bills won't be reduced any and you won't be able to keep up anymore? Is that what you're telling me?

    I'm sitting at the Flying J on Grant St, thinking about the suburbs of Chicago tomorrow, and there is no way I'll take that kind of cut in pay to fight with that. (Finishing up tomorrow in Milwaukee will, at least, put me back into a half civilized world again.)

    But, I think you'll find that most people here don't think of it as a "world economy". They're trying desperately to cover their own butts.
    It has nothing to do with what I want or what people here think. It has to do with what the market does. People are getting paid less, because that is what the market dictates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dobry4u View Post
    It has nothing to do with what I want or what people here think. It has to do with what the market does. People are getting paid less, because that is what the market dictates.
    ^^^This. If one refuses to adapt to their environment, they get left behind. That recent thread from stonefly whining about the HOS changes and how he couldn't make as much money under them is a great example of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    ^^^This. If one refuses to adapt to their environment, they get left behind. That recent thread from stonefly whining about the HOS changes and how he couldn't make as much money under them is a great example of this.
    You just can't get stonefly out of your head, can you? Is he the new Steve Booth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    ^^^This. If one refuses to adapt to their environment, they get left behind. That recent thread from stonefly whining about the HOS changes and how he couldn't make as much money under them is a great example of this.
    So, then, why bail out the financial industry? Why not just leave them behind? If that's what they're going to do with the rest of us. Or, would that mean that a few would lose their "golden parachutes"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windwalker View Post
    So, then, why bail out the financial industry? Why not just leave them behind? If that's what they're going to do with the rest of us. Or, would that mean that a few would lose their "golden parachutes"?
    The US financial arena is a totally different animal and I would hope you would understand the difference.
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    Ahhhh... But they're locked away safe and sound in one of the financial institutions, aren't they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windwalker View Post
    Ahhhh... But they're locked away safe and sound in one of the financial institutions, aren't they?

    they being?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohiomohawk View Post
    Well I sort of enjoyed the home daily job but the company lost some GM lanes now I am now out of work. Now with GM going bankrupt they will probably loose a lot more. I spent about 4 months out of 17 months in lay off. It looks like I am staring at OTR again.

    I met some good dock workers at GM and some a**holes. I met a guy who drove a forklift at GM making $75,000 a year. He would spend 15 minutes out of every hour outside at the picnic bench complaining. The plant he worked at closed in 2008.

    I heard 14 plants and 21,000 jobs will be cut real soon.
    maybe you could haul for government motors, crazy Barry could hook you up.....
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    When you put government in control of business it is sure to fail. These people can't even balance a budget, yet expect to be able to run two of the largest corporations in the world and be competitive? The only way a free capitalist society can continue to function is to allow companies to fail, regardless of size and to keep government control out. I just read something about how those passengers who were on the airplane that crashed into the Hudson have filed claims and are having a difficult time with AIG, the insurance company for the airline.
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