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  1. 02-13-2009 02:31 PM #1
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    Default Hello People, Help With Log Book

    Ok Im not new to the driving thing, but it has been years, I have been a heavy equipment operator for about 5 years now. But I lost my Job last year, and now im back in a truck

    So my problum is that I hear from differant people, that you have to log 50 in the state of Ca, then others say you can only log 45, the company that I work for will not even give me a straight answer.

    So what is legal to log in the state, can I log 55? I have been logging 53-54 just to make the book work. I run from Salinas Ca, to Yuma Az. It is a 573 mile trip, but loging it at 50 makes it a 11.46 hour drive, and so i can not do it in one sitting..... But I make it down there in around 9 1/2, 10 hours. I wish the company I work for would just let me have a day cab, and put me up in a motel every night, but no im interstate.

    Anyway could someone please help me with a straight answer. Thanks Grande
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    you cant drive 11.46 straight without stopping? you're not a real truck driver.....HAHAHA...kidding.

    I'm still 'green', and i am sure you still have more miles under your belt than me....but i would simply just log it legal in CA. why try to cheat it, and then get busted for cooking your logbook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin0915 View Post
    you cant drive 11.46 straight without stopping?
    I dont drive straight for the 11.46 hours, I can make that trip in around 9 1/2 hours, and that I drive straight. Stopping at trucks stops, and rest areas waste time. I get my run over with then I do what I want.....


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    but i would simply just log it legal in CA.
    What is Legal, 45-50-55 ?




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    usually the thought is 5mph under the speed limit for logging purposes, that is if you're not gonna log it like you do it
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    Quote Originally Posted by --grande-- View Post
    Ok Im not new to the driving thing, but it has been years, I have been a heavy equipment operator for about 5 years now. But I lost my Job last year, and now im back in a truck

    So my problum is that I hear from differant people, that you have to log 50 in the state of Ca, then others say you can only log 45, the company that I work for will not even give me a straight answer.

    So what is legal to log in the state, can I log 55? I have been logging 53-54 just to make the book work. I run from Salinas Ca, to Yuma Az. It is a 573 mile trip, but loging it at 50 makes it a 11.46 hour drive, and so i can not do it in one sitting..... But I make it down there in around 9 1/2, 10 hours. I wish the company I work for would just let me have a day cab, and put me up in a motel every night, but no im interstate.

    Anyway could someone please help me with a straight answer. Thanks Grande
    Log it as you drive it. If you're speeding (which you clearly are), then slow down. That trip should take a minimum of 11 hours, assuming you don't hit any L.A. or San Diego traffic. And we both know you are. So does DOT. Being in a day cab isn't going to change the fact that you have to log it legally. The trip will still take just as long, and you'll still have to show that 10 hour break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    Log it as you drive it. If you're speeding (which you clearly are), then slow down..
    Slow dow I have, but I still want to go down and back as fast as I can, more loads a week = more money


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    That trip should take a minimum of 11 hours, assuming you don't hit any L.A. or San Diego traffic. And we both know you are. So does DOT. .
    I dont hit any, I run the 5 to the 210 to indio and down, I run down at night, and back at night so its not that bad., I avarage 55, and that is 10 hours and some change, I log it at 11 hours, both ways, the same stops, everything looks good.


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    and you'll still have to show that 10 hour break.
    Everyday. Im home every other night as well
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    If you are worried about what is often called a log book speeding ticket then do not log faster than 5 mph under the posted speed limit in any state.

    By all rights though, as has basically been pointed out, you really are not suppose to log by speed, but by time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by --grande-- View Post
    I dont hit any, I run the 5 to the 210 to indio and down, I run down at night, and back at night so its not that bad., I avarage 55, and that is 10 hours and some change, I log it at 11 hours, both ways, the same stops, everything looks good.
    If you are averaging 55, you are speeding.
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    You sound like you're from the "old school". Well, the "theory" says that if you drive the speed limit, there is not possible way you can average the posted speed limit. Going up a hill will slow you down, and when you have to get off the interstate, city speed limits slow you down even more. So, the posted speed in CA is 55, and if you set your cruise for that, at the end of the day, various things that slow you down brings your average down to about 52 mph. But, you might keep in mind, that DOT seems to have grown up a bit. They can check fueling times on the company's computer (unless you use cash), they can check your ATM transactions with your own card, and if you're stopped at a scale, that pins you down to a place and time. Your log book must match all of these things. Soooo...

    The best thing to do, is when you change your duty status, DRAW A LINE. Dot doesn't seem to care if your watch is five minutes off, but they get a bit upset with an hour or more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windwalker View Post
    You sound like you're from the "old school". Well, the "theory" says that if you drive the speed limit, there is not possible way you can average the posted speed limit. Going up a hill will slow you down, and when you have to get off the interstate, city speed limits slow you down even more. So, the posted speed in CA is 55, and if you set your cruise for that, at the end of the day, various things that slow you down brings your average down to about 52 mph. But, you might keep in mind, that DOT seems to have grown up a bit. They can check fueling times on the company's computer (unless you use cash), they can check your ATM transactions with your own card, and if you're stopped at a scale, that pins you down to a place and time. Your log book must match all of these things. Soooo...

    The best thing to do, is when you change your duty status, DRAW A LINE. Dot doesn't seem to care if your watch is five minutes off, but they get a bit upset with an hour or more.
    The sad thing is, it's because of mindsets like the OP has that they are attempting to introduce black boxes into trucks, which will log times for everything the truck does. At this point, it's not a matter of "if" it happens. It's a matter of "when".
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    The feds seem determined to put black boxes in every truck on the road. It will do nothing for safety and they still don't know the cost. It will impact the owner operators and small carriers most. It is mainly designed to generate revenue for the government.
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    Not to de-rail this thread Gman but..

    When I forst came to Wylie I was one of the very first put on the electronic logs to try it out. After 2 weeks they told me to go 100% and do away with the paper logs. (There was 6 of us running both till they mae sure that it integrated with the software at the office) I wasn't too sure about it because it logs it exactly as you drive but after just a couple of days I was hooked. It has given me at least an extra half hour every day. It logs to the minute, not 15 minutes. When I pull into a J to fuel we are on receiptless so theres no need to walk inside. On paper you have to log it 15 minutes but on the paperless it logs it exactly to the minute which can be 6 to 10 gaining 5 to 9 more minutes of driving. Thats just one example but there are many more.

    If (and/or when) I have to go back to running OTR I will be looking forward to a company that has gone paperless. Yes it does record everything but I like it alot better than the paper thing. While at Big Dog I used DDL and will be using it again but I never drove more than 8 hours a day so logs weren't really an issue and other than one punk DOT officer in Iowa I was never asked for a log book. Most of the time they just wanted to see what was in the trailer and take pictures.
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    ok...call me dumb, but just what is an OP?

    also, i am headed to CA for the first time....not just in a truck, but EVER....and i will be coming in on the 10, taking the 210 around up to Fresno. Any good suggestions to avoid the most traffic? or is anything around LA bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin0915 View Post
    also, i am headed to CA for the first time....not just in a truck, but EVER....and i will be coming in on the 10, taking the 210 around up to Fresno. Any good suggestions to avoid the most traffic? or is anything around LA bad?
    Taking the 10 to the 210 up to the 5 is your best bet. You'll likely hit some traffic a few miles before you hit the 5, and possibly on the 210 around San Bernadino. Then it's straight shot up to Fresno on the 99. Have your log up to date, and your BOL handy. You'll be crossing 2 scales, and one inspection point.

    I've been in California too long already. I'm already putting "the" in front of all the highways.
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    My Dad said the same thing about the computer logs, they found that they could drive more in a day than what they were doing with manual logs.
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    When did the 210 go out to San Bernardino? (not bernadino) Didn't think anyone would catch you on spelling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris1 View Post
    When did the 210 go out to San Bernardino? (not bernadino) Didn't think anyone would catch you on spelling.
    SR 210 (Foothill Fwy) goes right to the north side of San Bernardino. It then hooks up with SR 30 or I 215.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    Taking the 10 to the 210 up to the 5 is your best bet. You'll likely hit some traffic a few miles before you hit the 5, and possibly on the 210 around San Bernadino. Then it's straight shot up to Fresno on the 99. Have your log up to date, and your BOL handy. You'll be crossing 2 scales, and one inspection point.

    I've been in California too long already. I'm already putting "the" in front of all the highways.
    i'm always up to date with my log. Dont know how some drivers can be a day or more behind. that is just dumb. And i'll be in a new truck when i enter CA....so bring on the inspections. =)
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    kevin, are you going to kraft, delivering some paper to some place on jenson, dropping a trailer off at the central freight terminal on central ave, or going to some place that's just south of highway 41? i know fresno quite well since i lived there for 8 years and was also a pizza delivery driver in that city. i know all the nooks and crannies of that city. it's too bad, though, that fresno has a LOT of restricted roads.

    whatever you do, if you decide to stay at the truck stop at highway 99 and herndon, make sure that you do NOT park in the back row. if you do, and it's night time, don't even get out of your truck. you'll be propositioned by male hookers.
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