my future

[gula197]

im thinking about enlisting in the army for 4 yrs. to be a motor transport operator...here are the duties of a MTO...

* Reading load plans
* Checking oil, fuel and other fluid levels, as well as tire pressure
* Driving vehicles over all types of roads and terrain, traveling alone or in convoys in support of combat operations
* Keeping records of mileage driven and fuel and oil used
* Washing vehicles and perform routine maintenance and repairs

...when i get out i want to buy my own truck and become a O\O will this be a idea or will i need more experience?

[TomB985]

Absolutely NOT!

I was active duty for 4 years, but not as an 88M. They are truck drivers, but with NO exposure to the commerical side of the industry. In comparison to a commercial driver, an Army 88M will have much less seat time. In addition, a military driver's license will NOT carry over to a CDL.

If you are honestly considering becoming an O/O, as most will tell you here, it's best to become a company driver for a few years to learn the BUSINESS. Most can be tought to drive a truck, however it takes lots more to run a business.

[GMAN]

Other than shifting gears there is little comparison between driving a truck in the military and driving over the road in a commercial setting. As Tom noted, commercial carriers don't usually consider any military driving as experience. It is a much different environment. There is a lot to learn about the rules and regulations and how to run a truck over the road. If you want to own a truck you really need to get some practical experience, save some money and learn all you can about this business. While you are driving and earning money working for a carrier you can track your expenses including fuel, tires, etc., and see what it really costs to run a truck. It is much easier when someone else is writing the checks. You never want to get in a hurry. Take the time to learn and check prices on trucks. Taking your time can save thousands on a truck purchase. My advice would also be to stay away from any company sponsored lease purchase deal. There are very few who successfully complete these leases.

[golfhobo]

im thinking about enlisting in the army for 4 yrs. to be a motor transport operator...here are the duties of a MTO...

* Reading load plans
* Checking oil, fuel and other fluid levels, as well as tire pressure
* Driving vehicles over all types of roads and terrain, traveling alone or in convoys in support of combat operations
* Keeping records of mileage driven and fuel and oil used
* Washing vehicles and perform routine maintenance and repairs

...when i get out i want to buy my own truck and become a O\O will this be a idea or will i need more experience?

Check with us again in 4 years. IF you are still among the living, we'll tell you that you are crazy to buy your own truck with no experience.

I'm just kidding (sort of) it is a good BEGINNING to a plan. But, it needs more work and an infusion of reality.

But, I DO have to ask.... WHY would you risk your life in what is well known to be one of the most dangerous jobs in the military JUST to learn a little bit about a pre-trip inspection?

If you want to risk your life to serve the country, I understand and applaud you. But, if your "plan" is to drive a Commercial truck, why wait 4 years? You could PAY for your CDL training out of the money you WON'T make in the military!

Don't LISTEN to the recruiters!!! They are worse than the recruiters in the trucking industry! You want to serve 4 years and THEN get into trucking? Here's my advice: Take an MOS in computers or something that you can fall back on later, THEN get out and go into trucking. You'll be at the same level as every other noobie, but you'll have a backup plan if it doesn't work out, or the economy tanks AGAIN!

If you want to use the military as a precursor to a trade in trucking, go into diesel mechanics! But, if you have the intelligence to make a choice... go into aircraft mechanics! Boeing pays WAY more than a trucking company for a mechanic.

But, if you really want to DRIVE a big truck.... pay the money and do it NOW! Slots are dwindling! 4 years from now, they may be nonexistent. The economy might be worse, and the military will be downsized once again. Too much competition.

I hope you understand that I am trying to help. I am a Veteran, so I know of what I speak. I wish you the best.

Hobo

[gula197]

thanks for the honest replies guys ..i talked it over wit a few more guys and i decided not to go to the army just to learn how to drive trucks i think im just going to give trucking a try and if i dont like it or it dont work out THEN i will go to the army,but i will try to stick with it because i want my own truck bad! (or a ford f-650 lol) why do a lot of people dont make it in the trucking industry?

[golfhobo]

thanks for the honest replies guys ..i talked it over wit a few more guys and i decided not to go to the army just to learn how to drive trucks i think im just going to give trucking a try and if i dont like it or it dont work out THEN i will go to the army,but i will try to stick with it because i want my own truck bad! (or a ford f-650 lol) why do a lot of people dont make it in the trucking industry?

Enter BigDiesel from stage left, and GMAN from stage right. BOTH will tell it to you straight! But, keep in mind that BOTH ARE "making it" in the industry as owner operators.

Glad to hear that you are rethinking your "plan." I didn't mean to say that it was a BAD one, but there ARE better ones.

You sound like you are young and ambitious. That is a good thing. I wish I had had some idea what I wanted to be "when I grew up" when I was your age. I just don't want to see anyone make the mistakes that I did.

I hope you stay with us, and keep us in the loop. The decisions will always be yours, but there is a LOAD of information and opinions here on CAD.

[gula197]

is the loads really that bad for truckers nowadays?

[BigDiesel]

is the loads really that bad for truckers nowadays?

Go learn the biz on someone elses dime for a few years..... Then look at it again.....

[DaveP]

im thinking about enlisting in the army for 4 yrs. to be a motor transport operator...here are the duties of a MTO...

* Reading load plans
* Checking oil, fuel and other fluid levels, as well as tire pressure
* Driving vehicles over all types of roads and terrain, traveling alone or in convoys in support of combat operations
* Keeping records of mileage driven and fuel and oil used
* Washing vehicles and perform routine maintenance and repairs

...when i get out i want to buy my own truck and become a O\O will this be a idea or will i need more experience?

If I had to do it over I'd do the military thing for 20 to 30 years (or as long as they would let me stay)....go as far as I could with it.

Then retire. Collect the check.

Then I'd sign on as a dirty old man door greeter at Wal Mart...just to pass the time ya know .

[GMAN]

is the loads really that bad for truckers nowadays?

The short answer is "yes." I am seeing rates half of what they were only a couple of months ago. One of my regular seasonal gigs has had much less freight this fall. His rates are pretty much what they were during the first quarter, but there have been much fewer loads than usual. In addition to a lot of brokers are coming in and cutting rates. Right now we have a couple of things going on in this industry. We always see a slowdown this time of year and rates always drop during winter months and rise in the spring. It is a normal business cycle for trucking, especially flat beds. The problem we have this year is a national depression. They are still calling it a recession, but I think it has gone well beyond a recession. Even recessions are normal business cycles.

Several industries, such as the automobile and steel industries are off. That thows more trucks into the mix to compete for other types of freight. The more competition the lower rates go. Couple this with lower fuel prices and rates suffer. I am seeing most rates around 1/2 of what we were able to get a couple of months ago. We actually made more money when fuel prices were over $4/gallon. When fuel dropped some who had parked their trucks are now back in the market competing for the same freight. There were over 20,000 carriers who either closed their doors or went bankrupt during the first 2 quarters of this year. One would think this would have taken enough capacity out of the market to keep prices higher. That has not happened. Both brokers and shippers are taking advantage of the slowdown by pushing prices down. During the last couple of weeks I have been offered rates for less than $1/mile. In my case, I won't take a load unless I can make a profit on it. There are too many others who will. And that is the problem. Brokers and shippers know that there will be someone who will take their cheap load so they keep the rate down until they have to move it and will raise the rate incrementally until someone takes it.

The economy will come back. Rates will rise. These are a couple of things we know. What we don't know is how low rates will go or how long before rates begin to rise. At this point we don't know where the bottom rates will settle or stop. This may not affect you as much as me and others who run our own authority. If you are an owner operator and run mileage it may not affect your income as much since you are already running at a cheap rate. It will affect your income with a lower fuel surcharge. You may also do more setting. Most owner operators and drivers are setting more right now. Again, some of the sitting is due to the time of year. But the economic slowdown is also contributing to less freight to haul.

[gula197]

so when you lease on with a company they help you pay for gas? sounds pretty alright... what other help you get from the company?? how does driving with your own authority work?

[BigDiesel]

so when you lease on with a company they help you pay for gas? sounds pretty alright... what other help you get from the company?? how does driving with your own authority work?

How old are you chevy454 ????

[Larry Heyns]

I enlisted for driver training in 1964. The U.S. Army kept the training guarantee, but assigned me to a unit that had three sedans and a pickup truck. The sedans performed like taxi cabs picking up officers at the airport, and the pickup truck hauled laundry to another post. I soon changed my MOS. After my discharge, I drove company for six years before buying a truck. During a time when our country had a military draft, there was an advantage in the job market to have my military obligation behind me. Today, there seems to be no end to your service and they will call you back when you are invested in something else.

[GMAN]

so when you lease on with a company they help you pay for gas? sounds pretty alright... what other help you get from the company?? how does driving with your own authority work?

Leasing on to a company is much like a mechanic who brings his own tools. An owner operator brings his truck. When you lease to a carrier you operate under their authority. You are an independent businessman, but operate much like a company driver. Most carriers find loads for you, book them, (some) furnish base plates, permits, and handle all paperwork, such as IFTA. Some pay your IFTA fuel taxes. Most will issue you a company owned fuel card. You can usually get a fuel advance of about 30% once you are loaded. If you don't Your success is primarily up to you. Get with the right carrier and you can make a decent living.

Having your authority means that you have been granted authority from the government to conduct the business of moving freight. The federal government grants interstate authority (crossing state lines). Intrastate authority enables you to pick up and deliver within the same state. I believe there are about 11 states who issue intrastate authority.

When you run your own authority you can get your own loads from any source you choose. When you lease to a carrier you are normally limited to carrying their loads unless you get their permission before hand. When you run your authority you are totally on your own. There is no one on which to rely but yourself. You buy your own baseplates, permits, fuel, all paperwork and everything else. Leasing gives you the support of a larger company. Keep in mind that either way you are in business.

[golfhobo]

If you want to use the military as a precursor to a trade in trucking, go into diesel mechanics! But, if you have the intelligence to make a choice... go into aircraft mechanics! Boeing pays WAY more than a trucking company for a mechanic.

Hobo

This was part of my post earlier in this thread. I wanted to edit it, but couldn't. I just wanted to clarify that I was NOT insulting your intelligence... and certainly not saying you weren't even smart enough to "make a choice."

What I meant was IF you scored high enough on the placement tests to HAVE a choice in the mechanics field, you would do better to choose Aircraft mechanics. IIRC, Mechanics was my lowest score, and I'm not sure I HAD that option.

Sorry if I offended you in any way with the poor wording I used in the original post.