New to the job....

[Kevin0915]

I will tell you where I came from. I was unemployed at the end of April. I wanted something that gave me the freedom from kiss-butts, and working jobs that put me 'in the front of the house'. I wanted a job where I could somewhat be my own boss...and not have to deal with the paying public. Somehow i got on a truck driving kick. My father did it for 30+ years, just following in his footsteps. Never thought in my wildest dreams i'd ever be a OTR driver. Now came the hard part.....trying to find a company to train me. I applied at several, but the only one who made an effort to recruit me, was (i know i know....some of you wont want to hear this) Swift Transportation. I went started their school in Idaho mid-august. 3rd hardest state to get a Class A CDL.

anyways, Orientation was fine, but took me 4-5 days to get onto a mentor's truck. AND THEN the one I got is a total retard....but i just want to get my 42 days of training done, and then i get my own truck.

NOW here comes my questions.......

1) what companies out there will allow you to have a pet in the truck as a company driver? Swift will let you, but you have to be an O/O.

which brings me to #2) How much more/less money can a driver make being an O/O when compared to a Co. driver??

I've tried asking my mentor (who is an O/O) about how it works, but he doesnt really want to tell me. Either he is making a KILLING, being a trainer and an O/O and dont want to tell me how well he is doing....or he don't want to tell me how much his paychecks SUCK.

Just curious.

I love driving. And before it even starts, i dont really care WHO i am driving for, as long as i am making a paycheck. Not to mention it all has to do with your additude and the reputation you get with your DM. if i bust my butt, and take loads, and get the jobs done, who do you think will get the 600-900 mile runs when they get them to dispatch?? someone who they KNOW will make an OT delivery, or someone who complains all the time.

anyways.....just looking for some GOOD information.

see ya on the road...

[ajritter04]

Being an Owner Op can net you a whole lot of money, but you can lose a whole lot of money just the same.

There is a lot involved with being an O/O, I know that much. As to what the specifics are, I do not know that. Generally, anyone new to the business SHOULD NOT become an O/O right off the bat. That's like taking a recruit on his first day of boot camp and throwing him in with the Spec. Ops. guys.....it ain't gonna be pretty.

My recommendation - Stay with Swift.

Yeah, you might get some grief about it, but Swift honestly isn't that bad as far as starter companies go, especially considering the fact that they did put you through training on their dime (as long as you fulfill your half of the contractual obligation).

Take a year or so with Swift, or any other company of your choice, then re-evaluate your thoughts on becoming an O/O after you have a much clearer picture of how things work.

[Windwalker]

Before you jump into the O/O scene, look at the used truck lots across the country. One of the things I see now, that I never saw before, are signs advertising that you do not have to have good credit to buy a truck now. "REPO - OK". Never saw that before. They're doing that to unload their inventory because more and more O/O are either loosing their trucks, or getting out from under them. It's to the point that the Fed is talking about special low-interest loans for truck owners to help overcome the damage from the high fuel costs.

You're trainer most likely went with a lease/purchase plan. Now, he's finding out he's "MARRIED" to the truck in order to make ends meet.

[Evinrude]

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[Evinrude]

Kevin 0915 NOW here comes my questions.......

1) what companies out there will allow you to have a pet in the truck as a company driver? Swift will let you, but you have to be an O/O.

So if you spend $150,000 they will allow you to bring a pet in your truck?

which brings me to #2) How much more/less money can a driver make being an O/O when compared to a Co. driver??

I've tried asking my mentor (who is an O/O) about how it works, but he doesnt really want to tell me. Either he is making a KILLING, being a trainer and an O/O and dont want to tell me how well he is doing....or he don't want to tell me how much his paychecks SUCK.

Most company would rather have 100 % O/O,so that should tell you something. Your income will be determined on the availability of new drivers to replace you, maybe that's why he is keeping it to himself. Right now trucking is in a purging cycle.
Creating new pay packages,slowing trucks down, anything they can think of to get rid higher paid drivers and grab some desperate newly laid off factory worker that's getting fully paid goverment training allowance.



Just curious.

I love driving. And before it even starts, i dont really care WHO i am driving for, as long as i am making a paycheck. Not to mention it all has to do with your additude and the reputation you get with your DM. if i bust my butt, and take loads, and get the jobs done, who do you think will get the 600-900 mile runs when they get them to dispatch??
someone who they KNOW will make an OT delivery, or someone who complains all the time.

Most driver are on time, I think the deciding factor who can get it there the cheapest.

anyways.....just looking for some GOOD information.

see ya on the road...

[Kevin0915]

Being an Owner Op can net you a whole lot of money, but you can lose a whole lot of money just the same.

There is a lot involved with being an O/O, I know that much. As to what the specifics are, I do not know that. Generally, anyone new to the business SHOULD NOT become an O/O right off the bat. That's like taking a recruit on his first day of boot camp and throwing him in with the Spec. Ops. guys.....it ain't gonna be pretty.

My recommendation - Stay with Swift.

Yeah, you might get some grief about it, but Swift honestly isn't that bad as far as starter companies go, especially considering the fact that they did put you through training on their dime (as long as you fulfill your half of the contractual obligation).

Take a year or so with Swift, or any other company of your choice, then re-evaluate your thoughts on becoming an O/O after you have a much clearer picture of how things work.

EXACTLY my plan. Their contract really is, stay a year, you dont owe a thing for the school. Stay for a 2nd year, and the school is free. You pay them however much to cover $1950 for the school, then the following year, they repay YOU. Besides, having 2 yrs experience is better than just having one.

I dont plan to jump right into an O/O. I want to get an idea for the basics of the job. Would kinda like being a manager of a fancy restaurant. I know how to eat, and wear a fancy suit....that is about it. =)

I've read so much crap about Swift...how their equipment sucks, how they are a mill, yada, yada, yada. Swift still can get the freight. They are buying new equipment, and getting rid of the Volvos. You wont see a Swift Volvo that is older than 4 years old on the road here shortly. Yeah, their pay is crap, etc., and their trucks are being turned to run no faster than 65 (my mentor can run faster, but shhhhhh.) When you can save $18k a year in fuel just by running slower, i kinda laugh at those cattle haulers or whoever else wants to blow by me going 75+.

[dobry4u]

Kevin0915 wrote:

I've read so much crap about Swift...how their equipment sucks, how they are a mill, yada, yada, yada. Swift still can get the freight. They are buying new equipment, and getting rid of the Volvos. You wont see a Swift Volvo that is older than 4 years old on the road here shortly. Yeah, their pay is crap, etc., and their trucks are being turned to run no faster than 65 (my mentor can run faster, but shhhhhh.) When you can save $18k a year in fuel just by running slower, i kinda laugh at those cattle haulers or whoever else wants to blow by me going 75+.

What? you are saying good things about Swift? You MUST be a "company plant". Just kidding.. I am making a reference to a comment on a thread I started.


Sorry that you are having learning issues with your Mentor/trainer. Mine can back up like there is no tomorrow. He looks for tight spots in crowded places to show off. I only hope I can pick up some of it! You can ask to have a new trainer. Swift wants you to succeed and to know if the mentor/trainer is sub-par. It will not "go against you".

Sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders, Kevin. You'll do great!

[Roadhog]

Most company would rather have 100 % O/O,so that should tell you something. Your income will be determined on the availability of new drivers to replace you, maybe that's why he is keeping it to himself. Right now trucking is in a purging cycle. Creating new pay packages,slowing trucks down, anything they can think of to get rid higher paid drivers and grab some desperate newly laid off factory worker that's getting fully paid goverment training allowance.

Most driver are on time, I think the deciding factor who can get it there the cheapest.

This has to go on my top 100 list of most ignorant posts I've read.
One day I need to write a book about my experiences here at CAD. I'm not sure yet if it will be a comedy or a tragedy. :?

[Evinrude]

Most company would rather have 100 % O/O,so that should tell you something. Your income will be determined on the availability of new drivers to replace you, maybe that's why he is keeping it to himself. Right now trucking is in a purging cycle. Creating new pay packages,slowing trucks down, anything they can think of to get rid higher paid drivers and grab some desperate newly laid off factory worker that's getting fully paid goverment training allowance.

Most driver are on time, I think the deciding factor who can get it there the cheapest.

This has to go on my top 100 list of most ignorant posts I've read.
One day I need to write a book about my experiences here at CAD. I'm not sure yet if it will be a comedy or a tragedy. :?

Truth hurts!!! BTW tell me were I am wrong, I love a good debate.

[GMAN]

Some owner operators make more than company drivers, others do not. It depends on the rate for which you haul and how well you run your business. I know that may sound vague, but unless you are a good manager you could wind up making less than if you stayed a company driver. There is nothing wrong with being a company driver. Most people who enter this business have a dream of owning their own truck. Few truly understand what that entails. I have had several former owner operators who have come to work for me driving my trucks. Most all have told me that they made more driving my truck than they did with their own. Most businesses fail within the first year. Trucking is no exception. Don't confuse leasing a truck from a carrier the same as buying one.

There are some carriers who will allow drivers to have a pet in their trucks. I don't think it is a good idea. Pets can be a distraction in a truck and can damage company property. Some shippers will not allow pets on their property. Frankly, if you need a pet in the truck perhaps you should consider another profession. A truck is your workplace. The workplace is no place for a pet. It is also your bedroom. If you have a pet in the truck and leave, the next driver may be allergic. Cleaning the truck can be expensive.

[Kevin0915]

I totally understand about pets being a distraction. However, if having a pet in my truck keeps me from needing to take 'home time' once every 8-9 days, it would be easier for them to just let me have her in the truck. Not to mention, make them and me more money. Now granted i understand how 'distructive' they can be, but my girl is well trained.....oh and so is my dog. ;-)

I would want some experience under my belt long before bringing a dog onto my truck. Need/want to understand the business before bringing something that might be a distraction. No different bringing a dog on the truck than your wife/girlfriend/hubby or b-friend.

[Coolio]

Many O/O's are glorified company drivers with truck payments.
Look at FedEx Ground getting sued left and right because they misclassified employees as contractors.
Others are a blown steer tire away from cashing it all in
Fuel spikes...surcharges slow to catch up...alot of shippers holding the line.
Used truck lots overflowing with O/O-spec'd rigs.
About the only thing O/O gets you these days is ability to choose loads/lanes and go home when you want.
The money just isn't there when you factor risk/reward of going on your own.
Not like it used to be.
Fastest way to make $1 million?
Invest $2 million in trucking.
Unless you're hauling specialized, OD, etc forget it.

[GMAN]

I totally understand about pets being a distraction. However, if having a pet in my truck keeps me from needing to take 'home time' once every 8-9 days, it would be easier for them to just let me have her in the truck. Not to mention, make them and me more money. Now granted i understand how 'distructive' they can be, but my girl is well trained.....oh and so is my dog. ;-)

I would want some experience under my belt long before bringing a dog onto my truck. Need/want to understand the business before bringing something that might be a distraction. No different bringing a dog on the truck than your wife/girlfriend/hubby or b-friend.

No matter how clean or well behaved you think your pet is the animal will still leave hair all over the place. I have had 3 drivers who have taken their dogs in my truck without permission. Two out of the three left a lot of hair behind. I am still finding hair left by the last one. Dog hair can get in the air filters of your a/c and clog it. Besides, most people don't want to sleep with a dog or where a dog has been. I would rather get a driver home than have a dog in my trucks. There is no dog that is that clean. I don't see how taking a dog along will make the company or you any more money. It costs money and time to properly clean a truck after a dog has lived in it. Some people are allergic to pet hair or dander. There is also a smell that is left behind no matter how clean the driver attempts to keep it. It is usually not difficult to see whether a dog has been in a truck. Most spouses or significant others clean up after themselves and don't usually pose the risks of having a pet in the truck. Most humans exit a truck before relieving themselves, although I do wonder about some of them. I do understand what you are saying. However a truck is a place of business. I don't know of any other business where some people consider it a right to take their pets to work. If you want to take your dog then you need to consider buying a truck and then take it along. Even if you own the truck some carriers will still restrict pets due to the liability of a dog biting someone.

[BanditsCousin]

i kinda laugh at those cattle haulers or whoever else wants to blow by me going 75+.

HAHAHA. Okay buddy. I gotta blow your dors off at 75mph (legal speed limit) because I haul for 3-4 bucks a mile...not 90-something cents and have to get places :wink: But, I hear Swift's O/O program is where it's at. I'm thinking of going over there..more miles is more money

[BanditsCousin]

I disagree Gman... I took my dog to the groomer yesterday and got the super duper doggie package at Petco Even got her a new collar

But the dog hair issue is 100% dead on. My agent didn't want me to have a dog. One day in Vegas, one of the owners was at the tradeshow and saw her and fell in love with her. If 1 of 3 of the owners likes the dog, it stays Most companies don't operate this way though :wink:

[GMAN]

Yep, BanditsCousin, there isn't much you can do about the dog hair. Even the short haired dogs shed. Once they get into the carpet it is difficult to get out. One difference in your situation is that you own the truck. There is still the company liability should the dog bite someone. And even if you have them sign a waiver, lawyers are going to follow the money, and that means going after the carrier.