***Werner Paperless Log System***

[NascarJunkyFan]

I have some ?'s to ask if any Werner driver knows and can tell me how everything works that would be nice. Also if you have any other input on the paperless log system.

I have used the qualcomm before and done log books. How does the paperless log system work in detail.

What do you do ? wait for load to come on qualcomm and take it and do your pretrip and start running the truck and it's all done automatic on the qualcomm computer system.

If you have to stop at a rest stop/truck stop does it automatic put you in a not driving/not working mode until you move?

Are the time zone rolled into the system as you go threw the states?

Does the truck shut down over your hours? and if your like 20miles to the biggest place to pull off to rest what do you do then?

[BIG JEEP on 44's]

You use the quacomm to do all log etnries...through an entry call a macro aka "canned" message...you select macro...3...and enter your duty status ..you don't need to send macro 3 as the system will bump you to ln 3 if you move truck more then .5-1 mi and if after 10hr brk automticlly back log u 15 for pre trip..but however not sending mac 3 can result in being back logged more than 15 and shorting your10hr...so send it.


they use...macros for all log entries...such as arv at shp ,con ,stp...
it's an easy system ,but would take pages to explain every macro .

you can change (correct) your logs via mac 50 ,but logs will only accept change like ln4 to ln 2...ln 1 to ln 2...forget backing up time to show you leaving earlier or later...or any time averaging your miles, so once qualcomm shows you starting your day you will be running a legal 11/14 renewed/re-set only via legal hos break...


The system works werner plans loads very well ,and it is not the curse others make it to be...just rememberto snd your mac 46 by midnight or if running through mdnite do it b4 u snd any other macro at shut down this is your post trip.

[NascarJunkyFan]

That's kool... I'm sure it would take pages to explain every macro but if I had a marco book from company I'm sure it would make sense after a week and wouldn't be no stress like fighting with a darn log book

[Drew10]

The Werner Paperless log is very easy to use....once you have practiced it and really get an understanding of how the system works.

The logs work like the paper log in that the times are logged in 15min increments, rounded ahead or back to the nearest quarter hour, depending on when the duty status change is input. Commonly call "sliding the logs". Just like on paper.

One of the requirements during the "testing" phase of the logs, was that the driver must have total control of the logging system. In other words the driver accomplishes all duty status changes with the exception of the VI and fueling. VI is automatically accomplished when the driver completes a 10hr break, either split or full when the driver changes duty status to either line 3 or 4. The logs will "backup" 15min and insert the VI. If the driver inputs a duty status to on duty (line 3 or 4) at 0700, the logs will begin at 0645 as a line 4 VI.

Fueling is accomplished automatically when the driver inserts the EFS card at the pump reader, this will record a 15min fueling. Smart drivers that take a break at an authorized fuel stop will wait till the end of the 10hr break to fuel the truck, rather than fuel it at the end of the duty day. Fueling at the completion of the 10hr break and waiting the requiste 15min then fueling will enable the driver to combine the fueling with the VI in one 15min line 4. Same can be accomplished when taking the break at the customers. Combining a 15min load/unload with the VI.

Completed loading/Stop complete/Empty messages all contain a duty status for the task... Minimum 15min for line 4.

Other Ancilliary work like dropping a trailer....loading/unloading began have there own Macro messages that would contain a duty status change as appropriate.

NOW.....This rumor really needs to be put to rest.....If the driver runs out of hours "does the truck shut down?"....NO!!!!....Werner or any company...for that matter, is NOT responsible for a driver violating the logs.Can you imagine the safety issues if the truck shut off, just anywhere!!

If the driver continues past the 11/14/70. The driver will be in violation and recieve the appropriate disipline that was implemented with the Electronic logging system. Some "minor" violations may not get anything more that a probationary period. If no violations are shown by the driver in a determined period the first violation "disappears". Some minor violations can be overlooked...assuming a "pattern" by the driver has not been shown.
Corrections can be accomplished by a single macro. All duty status corrections can be accomplished, even an error in the logging of line 3...Howerver...the driver would need good justification to correct an errored line 3.
The truck can be moved a short distance without "tripping" the logs to a line 3 status.....just depends on where the truck is located. There is no scientific method to determine how far you can go. But generally no more than 2miles before an automatic line 3 change will occur.

This system does work very well with load matching, by the FM and Load Planners, as they can see the drivers availablity in real time.

To wrap this up....Personnel Drive Time is also available to the driver...utilizing the same criteria as a driver with a paperlog. When the driver is uncommitted from the load, the driver can utilize the truck for personnel conveyance.

Got any more questions feel free to ask....

[NascarJunkyFan]

Thanks for the time you put to type and share the info.

[dle]

If your q/c looses it's mind - like mine did it will send all kinds of funny information to the log system ----- like you are driving at 40 mph when you are sitting still, saying you are one place but you are at another.

Also another little quirk is that on some trucks if you like to play with the range switch while you are parked --- it could send a signal saying that you are driving ------- line 3.

[iqaras]

open source vulnerabilities

[Fredog]

trucks do not shut down when your hours are up any longer, the dot required this system to be taken out of trucks, it was way too dangerous

[One]

enjoy trying to rush to a truckstop while the darn thing is calling you out: 'you have 10 minutes driving time remaining' and having to reset your hours at shippers...so dont be too happy about not having paper logs, id take paper back any day. I dont drive for werner tho.

[VPIDarkAngel]

You use the quacomm to do all log etnries...through an entry call a macro aka "canned" message...you select macro...3...and enter your duty status ..you don't need to send macro 3 as the system will bump you to ln 3 if you move truck more then .5-1 mi and if after 10hr brk automticlly back log u 15 for pre trip..but however not sending mac 3 can result in being back logged more than 15 and shorting your10hr...so send it.

I think you mean Macro 8 (change of duty status) instead of 3 (arrived at ___). Either way, it *can* automatically pick you up as moving, but it's best to go to line 3 manually, especially if you drive short distances like some of us do. Running paperless logs over the road is pretty easy, but it gets real fun on multi-stop runs with lots of line 4 time.
If you're at a truck stop, it will not automatically assume that you've stopped. It'll either keep you on line 3, or automatically change it to line 4 (unless you manually tell it otherwise).
In regards to the time zones, it automatically logs everything in central time (since the mothership is in Omaha, NE) regardless of what time zone the driver sets the interface to display.
If you're 20 miles from the nearest safe haven, well, it sometimes allows you 15 minutes (if you started the day by driving, and not by a combined load/VI, empty/VI or something like that) extra. If you did some line 4 antics to start your day, well, you may just be looking at a log violation.

[Copperhead]

Not familiar with Werner's setup, but the e-log setup in my Qualcomm at FCC seems way simpler than the one described here for Werner. No macros and other stuff. Just select one of 5 status options on the screen and, if necessary, select a prewritten task option. I never select DRIVING since the system will kick to that anyway after 1.25 miles or above 25 mph. For those large run around the big distribution center type situations, I just select OFF DUTY DRIVING to keep the system from kicking to driving status. And I decide the length of time that on duty will have for fueling, pre-trip, loading/unloading, etc.

[strawberryrhubarbpie]

Here is part 1 of a 6 part series someone made on youtube, although he works for Swift but I would think it would be similar to any company with e-logs. Each video is about 9 minutes long, it really helped me to get a good idea of what I will be doing once I get in a truck. The first video is kinda boring but he really starts to get into it in the 2nd video:

The Paper & Macro work Behind Trucking Vol. 1 - YouTube

[strawberryrhubarbpie]

One of the requirements during the "testing" phase of the logs, was that the driver must have total control of the logging system. In other words the driver accomplishes all duty status changes with the exception of the VI and fueling. VI is automatically accomplished when the driver completes a 10hr break, either split or full when the driver changes duty status to either line 3 or 4. The logs will "backup" 15min and insert the VI. If the driver inputs a duty status to on duty (line 3 or 4) at 0700, the logs will begin at 0645 as a line 4 VI.

What is a VI?

[Malaki86]

What is a VI?

Vehicle Inspection

[fireman932003]

I drove for Werner for 9 years. I was a driver trainer for them for several years. Don't let the people that hate paperless logs scare you. They are really not that bad. It is quite nice actually. Where most new people run into problems with the logs is not planning their trips out right and allowing themselves the extra time in case of a breakdown or something like that. If you do a proper trip plan, you will never find yourself out of hrs at a shipper or receiver. Werner is very good at planning the loads around your HOS. If you see a problem BEFORE you take off with the load, let you DM know and they can usually get it fixed.

[Copperhead]

I agree with fireman. E-logs are not the bogey man that some claim. A lot of the other O/O jumped ship when my carrier started going to them. I figured I would stick around and at least give it a try. Well, the unit got put in last December and I am still here. Must not be that bad of a thing to use. I can only remember a couple of times that it hindered me in any way. If you plan out things properly, not waste time playing with Mary Jo Rottencrotch at the truck stop, you should be fine. I generally try and get into my shippers/receivers early enough that I can get a break there and after they get me loaded/unloaded, I will have a fresh 11 to run. But then, I concentrate my runs in the Upper Midwest, so that is doable most of the time. 48 state would require a little more thought. Fireman has it pegged about right.... most carriers that have gone to E-logs generally plan their freight a little better so that things match up most of the time. And he makes a good point.... communication is key!!! Keep your travel agent informed if there is or will be a problem. Don't wait till the last minute to let them know you can't be there. That is a sure way to get them upset at you.

[VPIDarkAngel]

Also, Werner is now updating the Qualcomm units in the trucks to the MCP200 (the touch-screen, graphical unit). My truck came with one in it, but the rest of the fleet at South Boston is being converted. All of the Werner trucks there should have them within a week or two. I don't know how soon the rest of the company will get changed over. However, the logs still work the same on these beasts.

[Fredog]

why would you not know WAY before this when your time was going to be up? you have the same amount of work time whether or not you are electronic logs. you should know as soon as you start when you have to shut down and plan accordingly

[VPIDarkAngel]

why would you not know WAY before this when your time was going to be up? you have the same amount of work time whether or not you are electronic logs. you should know as soon as you start when you have to shut down and plan accordingly

You hit the nail on the head, hoss. I'll admit to running down to the wire on my 14, but it still doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict how far that truck will get in that time period (even with 4 or 5 stops, fuel, traffic, and even a vendor pickup thrown in for good measure).