Good intentions but really stupid !

[BIG JEEP on 44's]

Back on 2/28/08 I was at the Flying-J in carlisle ( fun place to own a CB)...And I guess some driver backing bumped a drivers miorror and started to drive off ( I heard this over the CB) ...Well the USX driver that wtnessed the event cam flying around the corner nearly rolling his truck and proceeded to get her up to about 25-30 and trying to head the other driver off at the pass down at the end of aisle by the fuel islands ...saying stop you hit that mans truck ( voice sounded kind of country)...


Now the other driver only bumped a mirror doing little to no damage ,but cojack on the other hand nearly rolled his rig and from my perspective put lives in danger hauling ass through the lot at 25-30 mph attempting get caught up to the other driver and cut off his exit ...How would he explain rolling his truck ,running into another truck ,running over a person ...or all 3 to employer /police...But (in country accent) he hit that mans truck... :wink:

[Windwalker]

I've found that a DIGITAL CAMERA that can be downloaded into a computer and printed up does WONDERS when the police come to make out a report on the damage. (Many companies require this.) When the patrol car arrives, you hand the officer a photo of the OFFENDING TRUCK. It's MUCH SAFER, and sort of "POETIC JUSTICE" to let him leave the lot. In most states, if you leave the scene, you can be charged with HIT AND RUN. Check and see what the regs say about your CDL after that one.

I've done it three times now, and if you aim the camera right, you get a POSITIVE ID of the truck. When they catch up with the driver... Well... I know one driver that will never have a CDL again because of a HIT AND RUN in a parking lot. The cops told me, once, that they do not determine fault on private property, but if you leave, it's the same as hit and run on the road.

[ICS]

I admit that was a little extreme to go flying through the parking lot like that, but I also understand how a driver can get pissed off at a hit and run. I don't know what I would have done in that situation. You always want to look out for your fellow driver. I guess what I would have done would take down any information on the truck and if the other driver was around, give him the info and let him make the call. (as far as reporting it or not.) did you ever find out what ended up happening? By the way... not sure what the implication behind the "country accent" was all about... :?

[Syncrosonix]

well, i wish somebody would have done something about drivers who hit my passenger and driver side mirror. the driver side got hit 4 days ago. passenger side got hit a couple months ago. now when i'm driving, the trailer looks like it's pulling both ways. when i'm backing while using the mirrors, i cannot see certain angles, and i'm usually ending up crooked when i finally bump the dock. :x

[RunNGun]

I have to ask the obvious.. but why haven't you put new mirrors on your truck yet? I'm sure the company will replace them for you.. that and DOT won't throw a fit with how picky they can be in their inspections..

[Syncrosonix]

i don't want any downtime. that's why. especially in the area i'm currently at. empties are pretty much non-existent. they would make me drop mine so it can be used by another driver. so, i simply deal with the wonky mirror angles.

[golfhobo]

Sorry, but sounds like "just a bit" of exaggeration here! I don't believe one can "roll a truck" doing 20-35 mph in a parking lot, and I've yet to see anyone (or myself) get up to that speed in such a short distance.

Yeah, MAYBE the USX driver got a little excited, and maybe risked an accident, but I doubt it! Although, a better line of attack would have been to head for the EXIT, and BLOCK it! USX drivers are TRAINED at doing THAT!

[BIG JEEP on 44's]

Sorry, but sounds like "just a bit" of exaggeration here! I don't believe one can "roll a truck" doing 20-35 mph in a parking lot, and I've yet to see anyone (or myself) get up to that speed in such a short distance.

Yeah, MAYBE the USX driver got a little excited, and maybe risked an accident, but I doubt it! Although, a better line of attack would have been to head for the EXIT, and BLOCK it! USX drivers are TRAINED at doing THAT!

Nope a typo I meant 20-25 mph ...which he had about 1500 ft to achive that speed and shut it down in just after comming around a tight corner from the back row onto the straight strectch...In my opinion rounding a near 90 degree corner at speeds of nearly 10 mph in a truck stop is risking a roll , and obtaining a speed of 20-25 mph with over 1000ft from a rolling 5+ mph pulling either a very light or empty trailer is more than obtainable infact in my old Werner mobile I could have rounded the corner in 3rd romped on it and only had to hit 5th and just keep foot in it and hit and suppassed 25 mph in that distance under those cirumstances...And USX doesn't even need to shift ... Now to me stating that he put lives in danger doing this is not an exaggaration as the speed of 20 mph or gretaer in an area where truck/pedesrian traffic is relatively un controlled is risking an accident as well as running over a pedestrian hence the life threatening aspect of the action ...Now if you can't beleive that hitting low twenties while pulling an empty or light trailer from a rolling 5+ mph to 20+ mph with over 1000ft to do it in then...go buy an auto because shifting is not your forte ...lucky for USX his truck is an auto :wink:

[Windwalker]

Sorry, but sounds like "just a bit" of exaggeration here! I don't believe one can "roll a truck" doing 20-35 mph in a parking lot, and I've yet to see anyone (or myself) get up to that speed in such a short distance.

Yeah, MAYBE the USX driver got a little excited, and maybe risked an accident, but I doubt it! Although, a better line of attack would have been to head for the EXIT, and BLOCK it! USX drivers are TRAINED at doing THAT!

Well, I don't know what USX might have had in his box, but I have seen a flatbed with a load of pallets go around a corner and come to a very fast stop. As he turned the corner, the trailer went up on 4 wheels and the bottom of the trailer put enough pressure on the rear drive tire that he stopped almost on a dime. But he was not doing 20 mph when he did it. In his case, it didn't take a lot of effort to get the trailer back on all 8 and get him going again. But, depending on the load, yes it is possible to get the trailer going.

And, come to think of it, I have also seen a Crete driver do the same thing in Indiana at what used to be Orville Reddenbacher, on US-30. In his case, it took a wrecker to get the trailer back on all 8.

Because of the weight of the front of the tractor and the angle of the tractor to the trailer, I doubt that it would be possible to get the front of the tractor up in the air at that speed, but it will bring them to a complete stop very fast, and tend to block the area for a while. Crete also tore the devil out of one of his drive tires. About did everything to the tread, but flatten it.

[golfhobo]

Still sounds a bit "tall" of a tale to me. Granted, I'm usually near gross, but if the trailer was empty, it would be harder to roll it. If you/anyone can't "round a near 90 degree turn at TEN mph without rolling it, YOU need to get another career, I do 90 degree street turns EVERY day at 10-15 mph with NO PROBLEM in 5th or 6th gear!

Never been to the "J" in Carlisle, but PLENTY of others. 1500 ft "straightaway" is WELL OVER 100 trucks in a row! Never SEEN a parking lot with 100 slots in a row!!...... especially leading up to the fuel islands!

I'll give you that his actions were reckless and MIGHT have endangered life or limb.... but that's IF he was doing anything NEAR what you say. :wink:

Not a problem, Driver..... we get your "point." The numbers just don't add up!

[Windwalker]

The numbers DO add up for me. If you've ever seen the location in Indiana, you have about 5 truck lengths. Far less than 1500 feet. And the flatbed did it right in front of me, with a little over three truck-lengths to do it in. I don't see rolling it because of the angle configuration, but you most certainly get the trailer up on 4 wheels.

[BIG JEEP on 44's]

The numbers DO add up for me. If you've ever seen the location in Indiana, you have about 5 truck lengths. Far less than 1500 feet. And the flatbed did it right in front of me, with a little over three truck-lengths to do it in. I don't see rolling it because of the angle configuration, but you most certainly get the trailer up on 4 wheels.

Well the 1500ft was probably closer to 1000ft from where he started up to where he intersected the lane he was trying to block ...Hobo seems to have taken the distance to mean there is 1000+ feet of parking spaces in a row ...which there is probably close to 750-800 as there is probably about 60 slots on the far side of the 2nd row at the front of the flying -J, and at about 13-14 ft wide is about 780-840 ft I guess I shouldn't have just thrown out such a number as 1500 ft ,but never thought to actually count parking spaces to give me rough measurement , but regardless it's a huge lot with plenty of room to reach speeds of 20-25 mph in the space provided , And it seems Hobo thinks the lane dead heads right to the fuel island ...It does not it runs paralell to the fuel islands but not right to them What cracks me up is Hobo is giving opinions about the math not adding up based on his assumption of the lay out of the T/S ,and yet he's never been there by his own admission ...Hobo claims to have taken 90 degree corners at 15 mph but yet can't beleive a truck that rounded a corner at about 10 mph can get up to 20-25 mph in less than 1000ft and be shut down by the end of that 1000ft ...The intended point of the topic is that reaching these speeds in a truck stop is un safe due to all the pedestrian/truck traffic ,and not worth the risk for a truck bumping another trucks mirror who might flee the scene , And while he meant well it was not an intelligent call to make , and was putting his driving career in jeopardy for a possibly scuffed mirror , as the USX driver racing through the lot could have had a major accident in his attempt to keep the other driver from leaving .


And to Golf Hobo you may have reached speeds of 15 mph on ..."STREETS"...but corners in truck stops are not "STREETS" ,and the traffic is 2 way non traffic controlled and relatively narrow and until you come around the corner ... It's BLIND... so speeds of much more than 5mph in T/S are unsafe no matter how you spin it after all you are not on the hwy or street you are in a parking lot with truck/pedestrian traffic that is not organized now show me the math that disputes my statement that speeds of much more than 5mph is safe in a parking lot . :wink: