Question about DOT drug screen

[bigpapa7272]

If i go to school in march I am going to need to take another dot drug screen. Ive been sick the last week or so with bronchatis and the doctor prescribed me some cough syrup with codine and some azroythecin, will that codine show up in my dot whiz quiz?


Will i have to disclose that?
IF i advise them before I take the whiz quiz that my doctor prescribed medicine with codine to get over an illness, will i have any problems with the whiz quiz?

Your help is appreciated.

[ohiomohawk]

Disclose all of that to the people who collect your pee pee and bring your prescriptions from your doctor

[bigpapa7272]

bring the actual bottle or will the patient counseling with receipt on it from the pharmacy work?

[Phantom433a]

if you have the written perscription, take that. if not, then yes, take the bottle.

[bigpapa7272]

the receipt has all the info thats on the bottle. including the doctors name and everything.

I will be so glad to get over this bronchatis so i can get back to normal activity, so i can get going to school.

You can take all the bottles and paperwork you want with you to the drug screener. THEY DON'T CARE. Your test will still indicate that you failed without any mention of your prescription. It is up to the company who is hiring you to determine what they want to do. They will most likely send you for another test when your better.

It is NOT up to the drug testing company to make ANY determinations AT ALL.

Another note:

Think about it. If I was a drug addict I would just take my bottle of cough syrup to the test and she would say, Oh, ok, you passed!! NOT

I know someone personally who does the drug testing. She gets people who come in on court ordered testing and the smell of chlorine to the max. What these people do is pour chlorine all over their hands before they come in. When they pee in the bottle they pour the pee all over there hands and back into the bottle. This contaminates the sample. My friend just smiles and finishes the test. She writes down on the test paper work that chlorine was detected.

She also takes a reading on the temp of the pee. If it's low she just smiles and finishes the test. She fills out the form that the test was void due to the temp of the pee.

All these failed tests go back to the employer and it's up to them what they want to do.

Some people who come in are required to pee in front of the male or female tech.

Some are required to give a blood sample.

Some people are sooooooo fat that they have to put a 4 foot by 4 foot litter type plastic box on the floor and the person just stands there and pees then they collect the sample.

[Skywalker]

By the time you go to school in March, you should be free and clear of the bronchitis, and should have finished your use of the codeine.

Is it possible that you would be able to decline to take the test the school may want you to take? Not as "refuse", but simply decline. I'm asking this because I'm wondering just why in the hell a "school" is having you do this. If you are going to a "company sponsored/funded school" I can understand it. In that event, if you are "well", and no longer using the medication, I would do the following if the test occurs within 30 or so days of the final use of the medication:

Call the Dr's office and ask them to write a simple letter stating that on such and such date, you were treated by the Dr. for bronchitis and whatever, were prescribed medication XXX that contained codeine, to be taken for X days. Also keep the empty bottle. Make the people at the school aware of the letter by handing them a copy. Whether or not the person taking the samples "cares".....is immaterial. Last time I looked at one of the forms, which is within the last month....it seems the space for "current medications" is still on it. I'll have to dig up the piece of paper and look at it. I do believe you can "insist" on having that information put on the document.

It is the "employer's" responsibility to have this taken care of. Consider that if you are not a drug abuser, and have been prescribed a codeine containing medication...and finish using it....it should be washed out of your system long before you make it to any orientation with an employer.

I too have suffered over the years from bronchitis, and I have been prescribed the same types of medications.

[Malaki86]

By the time you go to school in March, you should be free and clear of the bronchitis, and should have finished your use of the codeine.

Is it possible that you would be able to decline to take the test the school may want you to take? Not as "refuse", but simply decline. I'm asking this because I'm wondering just why in the hell a "school" is having you do this. If you are going to a "company sponsored/funded school" I can understand it. In that event, if you are "well", and no longer using the medication, I would do the following if the test occurs within 30 or so days of the final use of the medication:

Call the Dr's office and ask them to write a simple letter stating that on such and such date, you were treated by the Dr. for bronchitis and whatever, were prescribed medication XXX that contained codeine, to be taken for X days. Also keep the empty bottle. Make the people at the school aware of the letter by handing them a copy. Whether or not the person taking the samples "cares".....is immaterial. Last time I looked at one of the forms, which is within the last month....it seems the space for "current medications" is still on it. I'll have to dig up the piece of paper and look at it. I do believe you can "insist" on having that information put on the document.

It is the "employer's" responsibility to have this taken care of. Consider that if you are not a drug abuser, and have been prescribed a codeine containing medication...and finish using it....it should be washed out of your system long before you make it to any orientation with an employer.

I too have suffered over the years from bronchitis, and I have been prescribed the same types of medications.

The reason a school needs the drug test done is the fact that as a student driver you will be driving on the roads and are held to the same regulations as any other driver of a commercial vehicle. When I was in school I had to go through a normal DOT inspection at the weigh station the same as anyone else. One of the things that the inspector asked for was my copy of my latest drug test.

[Skywalker]

The reason a school needs the drug test done is the fact that as a student driver you will be driving on the roads and are held to the same regulations as any other driver of a commercial vehicle. When I was in school I had to go through a normal DOT inspection at the weigh station the same as anyone else. One of the things that the inspector asked for was my copy of my latest drug test.

Interesting. While I can understand that....the drug test is done for "employment" purposes....and to my knowledge there are no provisions regarding "students" being required to do it per the FMCSR's. Now, I went through school 15 years ago, and we were not required to do a drug test, and we drove on city and all other roads. Maybe its a "state" requirement, or a requirement that has been imposed in the past years since I got into this fray.

[Kurbski]

The reason a school needs the drug test done is the fact that as a student driver you will be driving on the roads and are held to the same regulations as any other driver of a commercial vehicle. When I was in school I had to go through a normal DOT inspection at the weigh station the same as anyone else. One of the things that the inspector asked for was my copy of my latest drug test.

Interesting. While I can understand that....the drug test is done for "employment" purposes....and to my knowledge there are no provisions regarding "students" being required to do it per the FMCSR's. Now, I went through school 15 years ago, and we were not required to do a drug test, and we drove on city and all other roads. Maybe its a "state" requirement, or a requirement that has been imposed in the past years since I got into this fray.

Maybe he meant DOT card but if people finance their training it might be a requirement along with the other reasons too. What i was wondering about is how somebody in a 4 x 4 plastic piss dike that SB mentioned can get behind a wheel? Let alone waddle to a truck and climb in ??
I think steve's at it again.

What i was wondering about is how somebody in a 4 x 4 plastic piss dike that SB mentioned can get behind a wheel? Let alone waddle to a truck and climb in ??
I think steve's at it again.

Didn't say anything about trucking, just fat people in general who are so fat they can't even find their weiner or wipe their ass.

[Malaki86]

The reason a school needs the drug test done is the fact that as a student driver you will be driving on the roads and are held to the same regulations as any other driver of a commercial vehicle. When I was in school I had to go through a normal DOT inspection at the weigh station the same as anyone else. One of the things that the inspector asked for was my copy of my latest drug test.

Interesting. While I can understand that....the drug test is done for "employment" purposes....and to my knowledge there are no provisions regarding "students" being required to do it per the FMCSR's. Now, I went through school 15 years ago, and we were not required to do a drug test, and we drove on city and all other roads. Maybe its a "state" requirement, or a requirement that has been imposed in the past years since I got into this fray.

Maybe he meant DOT card but if people finance their training it might be a requirement along with the other reasons too. What i was wondering about is how somebody in a 4 x 4 plastic piss dike that SB mentioned can get behind a wheel? Let alone waddle to a truck and climb in ??
I think steve's at it again.

No - he asked for: drivers license, DOT medical card, log book, permit book and latest DOT drug screen.

[kc0iv]

Another note:

Think about it. If I was a drug addict I would just take my bottle of cough syrup to the test and she would say, Oh, ok, you passed!! NOT

I know someone personally who does the drug testing. She gets people who come in on court ordered testing and the smell of chlorine to the max. What these people do is pour chlorine all over their hands before they come in. When they pee in the bottle they pour the pee all over there hands and back into the bottle. This contaminates the sample. My friend just smiles and finishes the test. She writes down on the test paper work that chlorine was detected.

She also takes a reading on the temp of the pee. If it's low she just smiles and finishes the test. She fills out the form that the test was void due to the temp of the pee.

All these failed tests go back to the employer and it's up to them what they want to do.

Some people who come in are required to pee in front of the male or female tech.

Some are required to give a blood sample.

Some people are sooooooo fat that they have to put a 4 foot by 4 foot litter type plastic box on the floor and the person just stands there and pees then they collect the sample.

SteveBooth said: "Some are required to give a blood sample." D.O.T. will NOT accept a blood test. They will only accept a urine test. That has been one of my biggest complaints.

kc0iv

[Fredog]

What i was wondering about is how somebody in a 4 x 4 plastic piss dike that SB mentioned can get behind a wheel? Let alone waddle to a truck and climb in ??
I think steve's at it again.

Didn't say anything about trucking, just fat people in general who are so fat they can't even find their weiner or wipe their ass.

A REPUTABLE drug screening place, has you wash your hands, empty your pockets and pee in the jar and immediately hand it to them, you then watch them split the sample, put the temp reader on it, seal it in a bag with your name on it and then you get a copy of the form and you leave, they will not ask if you take any prescriptions, IF it comes back positive, they will contact you and then you will be able to show if you have a prescription for whatever you tested positive for. this is how it is supposed to be done for truck drivers.
I think Steves friend works at a clinic just testing the general population

[Skywalker]

No - he asked for: drivers license, DOT medical card, log book, permit book and latest DOT drug screen.

Hmmm, thats an interesting item....being asked for the "latest DOT drug screen".... Odd, but as many times as I have been through "Level 1's", I have yet to be asked for anything relate to a "drug screening". The only item that a driver gets from the drug screening is the form that is filled out that proves he or she completed it with a control #, but the driver, unless he or she is an O/O with their own authority never receives directly the results.
There is no card issued, or anything else.....beyond the absence of a message or phone call from Safety or management that says: "We need to talk"....

[Malaki86]

No - he asked for: drivers license, DOT medical card, log book, permit book and latest DOT drug screen.

Hmmm, thats an interesting item....being asked for the "latest DOT drug screen".... Odd, but as many times as I have been through "Level 1's", I have yet to be asked for anything relate to a "drug screening". The only item that a driver gets from the drug screening is the form that is filled out that proves he or she completed it with a control #, but the driver, unless he or she is an O/O with their own authority never receives directly the results.
There is no card issued, or anything else.....beyond the absence of a message or phone call from Safety or management that says: "We need to talk"....

When I handed him the copy that the screening location gave me (the same paper you're talking about) he looked at it and said "thank you".

Now, something that could've made him ask me for it would be the fact that I was still in driving school, in a driving school truck, etc. It could've been nothing more than a scare tactic to "keep me straight" later on after I graduated. I've never been asked to show it to a DOT officer again after that, but I keep it in my truck anyway, along with my long-form DOT medical.

No idea.

[Fredog]

No - he asked for: drivers license, DOT medical card, log book, permit book and latest DOT drug screen.

Hmmm, thats an interesting item....being asked for the "latest DOT drug screen".... Odd, but as many times as I have been through "Level 1's", I have yet to be asked for anything relate to a "drug screening". The only item that a driver gets from the drug screening is the form that is filled out that proves he or she completed it with a control #, but the driver, unless he or she is an O/O with their own authority never receives directly the results.
There is no card issued, or anything else.....beyond the absence of a message or phone call from Safety or management that says: "We need to talk"....

dot card IS your latest drug screen, you cant get it without one, i am also curious, where did you get a drug screen card?

[Kurbski]

What i was wondering about is how somebody in a 4 x 4 plastic piss dike that SB mentioned can get behind a wheel? Let alone waddle to a truck and climb in ??
I think steve's at it again.

Didn't say anything about trucking, just fat people in general who are so fat they can't even find their weiner or wipe their ass.

Well pardon me but this is a trucking forum thread about a whiz quiz isn't it? Sorry to read into it. Anyway, thats still a nasty visual. :shock: But you were serious about the diking to catch a sample ? If so I would be looking for another job.

[Malaki86]

No - he asked for: drivers license, DOT medical card, log book, permit book and latest DOT drug screen.

Hmmm, thats an interesting item....being asked for the "latest DOT drug screen".... Odd, but as many times as I have been through "Level 1's", I have yet to be asked for anything relate to a "drug screening". The only item that a driver gets from the drug screening is the form that is filled out that proves he or she completed it with a control #, but the driver, unless he or she is an O/O with their own authority never receives directly the results.
There is no card issued, or anything else.....beyond the absence of a message or phone call from Safety or management that says: "We need to talk"....

dot card IS your latest drug screen, you cant get it without one, i am also curious, where did you get a drug screen card?

No - the DOT medical card is not your drug screen. You can go to a new driving job without having to get a new medical card, but you do have to have a new drug screen. The same goes for random drug screens. You don't get a new medical card for it.

The drug screen is a full size sheet of paper stating where it was done, when, by who, etc etc.