Teamsters and UPS Frieght

[Mackman]

What really irritates me on this is there are posters here who say much worse things than CFM did and they are still here.

Frosty was annoying even though I agreed with most of what he said. I prefer a good local job. What I didnt agree with was constantly putting down people who obviously enjoy OTR. Its one thing to warn a newbie, even necessary, but if a guy is doing it and liking it then more power to him. To each their own. But yeah, I wouldnt have banned him for it.

The problem is most of CAD is OTR drivers so you know they wanted him gone. He was just tellin it how it is. I wanted to go OTR i came here a long time ago and what CFM said stuck in my head. It is only true. But i guess some people cant handle that.

[Snowman7]

The problem is most of CAD is OTR drivers so you know they wanted him gone.

Exactly right my friend! Like I said, CFM could have toned it down a bit.

[TimberWolf]

Opinions are like *******s everybody has one....

It Is What It Is......


Ok Mr Moderator please lock this thread.....


Timberwolf

[Ridge Runner]

The problem is most of CAD is OTR drivers so you know they wanted him gone.

I usually don't take the time to point out the flaws in other peoples logic but I will make an exception this time.

Let's see... We REALLY wanted him gone. Yep! For a year and eight months we REALLY wanted him gone. CFM registered here in July 2006. I guess the OWNER of this board should fire all the moderators because it took us so long to get rid of someone we wanted "gone". It took all of 15 seconds to make him "gone". The funny thing is I agreed with alot of what CFM said about OTR. It does suck, for some. Others enjoy it. All we ask was be respectful in expressing your position.

When CFM posts things like this: You people are hilarious. Bunch of dumbass truckdrivers

He had been warned and ask NOT to do this but yet he kept on. Please tell me, what option did we have?

Even then, his IP was not ban and he could have come back and followed the rules, but he chose not to do so. If he wants to act like a fool, he will be treated like one.


Exactly right my friend! Like I said, CFM could have toned it down a bit.

Yep! He not only could have ....He should have. :wink:

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[Snowman7]

I realize he walked a fine line and even crossed it a few times. But I was surprised it was allowed to continue as you say for 20 months and then all of sudden he appears to be banned. This is what caught my attention:

So.. while I assume the unions have done good out there, I've never had any personal good come from my association with one.

Go work for these non-union coolie OTR carriers and live on the road for weeks out of a rolling cage making .36 cpm on HHG miles. Then work for a union LTL outift making $70k and paid for everything and then you'll change your tune.

Some people make mistakes and learn from them. They are given a second chance. Too bad CFM was a little slow on the up-take. :wink:


Ridge

Not being sure as to what's going on I asked a question:

Some people make mistakes and learn from them. They are given a second chance. Too bad CFM was a little slow on the up-take. :wink:


Ridge


What are you saying? Is CFM banned? I didnt see anything. Is Jared not allowed to promote a union? Is Jared really CFM reincarnated? Please clarify.

Then you respond with:

Well if your not bright enought to see it: YES CFM is Jared!

So having my intelligence questioned by a moderator is not disrespectful? I have no alliegence to CFM (Although I think some people need to hear his message). I was simply trying to find out what happened. I dont read every single post on this board so I thought I missed something. I went thru his last posts before asking the question and didnt see anything different from what he always said. So I wondered were you warning this new guy Jared? Tired of union talk? Whats up? Apparantly I hit a nerve or something.

[TimberWolf]

Hey Snowman this is not the first time this has happened, The moderators some times get this high and mighty attitude towards people they disagree with. I had a few issues with the way Yoppr used to repsond to some post in the beginning and was asked if I wanted a shovel by another moderator, then the person who started the post asked for it to be locked down so no one else could post and low and behold they locked it stating that the original poster asked for a lock down, hence the reason I asked for a lock down just to see how quick they forget, their lack of response proved a lot. They could care less. I asked for opinions on the union and received only a few educated respones your's being one of them. the rest were just people with outspoken opinions which is not unusual in fact it is the norm.. (Human Nature)
I asked for a lock down moderators please do so...... Once again
IT IS What It Is

Timberwolf

[Ridge Runner]

I realize he walked a fine line and even crossed it a few times. But I was surprised it was allowed to continue as you say for 20 months and then all of sudden he appears to be banned. This is what caught my attention:

So.. while I assume the unions have done good out there, I've never had any personal good come from my association with one.

Go work for these non-union coolie OTR carriers and live on the road for weeks out of a rolling cage making .36 cpm on HHG miles. Then work for a union LTL outift making $70k and paid for everything and then you'll change your tune.

Some people make mistakes and learn from them. They are given a second chance. Too bad CFM was a little slow on the up-take. :wink:


Ridge

Not being sure as to what's going on I asked a question:

Some people make mistakes and learn from them. They are given a second chance. Too bad CFM was a little slow on the up-take. :wink:


Ridge


What are you saying? Is CFM banned? I didnt see anything. Is Jared not allowed to promote a union? Is Jared really CFM reincarnated? Please clarify.

Then you respond with:

Well if your not bright enought to see it: YES CFM is Jared!

So having my intelligence questioned by a moderator is not disrespectful? I have no alliegence to CFM (Although I think some people need to hear his message). I was simply trying to find out what happened. I dont read every single post on this board so I thought I missed something. I went thru his last posts before asking the question and didnt see anything different from what he always said. So I wondered were you warning this new guy Jared? Tired of union talk? Whats up? Apparantly I hit a nerve or something.

Snowman,

Let me first say I'm sorry things got so off track between us on this thread. That was MY fault as I was trying to cover 4 or 5 different threads that "Jared" posted in as well as several PM's from other posters about the poster "Jared". Being in a rush ( yes, I do have a personal life too ), I got in a hurry. That is no excuse for the way I sounded and for that I am sorry.

Maybe you didn't see the other posts by "Jared". If you had, you would have known right away who he was. The fact that our postings happened in this thread has NO bearing about unions at all. It's an old topic that has come up many times and has always had a lot of debate ( some of which has been VERY heated ).

The last thing I want to touch on is this: Just because we ( the moderators ) have an opinion on a subject does NOT mean in any way that someone with a different opinion may be ban or thought less of. That is NOT the way this board works. I know there are many boards out there that work this way but this is NOT CAD's way of doing things. You and I can disagree all day long, but you will not be ban ( or warned ) for that, EVER!

CFM had been warned, and warned, and warned again. As per the TOS it was only temporary TILL he tried to by-pass the ban. ( Read the TOS in regards to this ).

All in all.... I have just come off a 12 hr shift. I have to sleep. I just want you to know where I'm coming from.


Ridge

[Roadhog]

I see this message board as very fair and even handed. It also is quite lenient with allowing members to work opinions out amongst themselves.

The moderators do a great job here, and I don't think they ban someone without ample warnings, and good cause. They may edit abusive or offensive messages, but it should be noted, that the Administrators and Moderators know their message board and it's members, and discuss potential trouble-makers. They have a moderator backroom, where these issues are discussed, and where certain posts can be staged for review. Also, I do not believe they lock a thread at the request of the original poster. The original poster does not own the thread. If it is locked, it is in consideration of all, not one person.

A ban in most cases may be temporary. This is a chance for the offender to cool off, or stop the objectionable behavior, and be welcomed back, after a brief period. Some seem to need a time off. Our membership is a privilege, and only requires simple respect of the rules of the board.

In regards to CFM, I often thought he was arrogant, and insulting, with occasional valid points. In my opinion, he more often than not had little to say, and often repeated the same old insults and degradation over and over. Albeit, I am a live and let live sort, and chose to ignore him.
Maybe his message had value, and as an OTR'er myself, I saw his logic, and often agreed with the things of value he did offer.

The point has been made as many times also, that many of us OTR'ers would love a local job, but we do not have the opertunities, and certainly do not deserve to be insulted over and over.

I happen to live in an area, where job opportunities are at a premium. I am not moving to a major city, and about to give up my home, so I accept what I have...and I am proud to be a trucker and blessed to have work.

I don't have anything to offer this thread topic, but I have been enjoying the insights generated, and have been learning something here. I hope you continue to discuss.

[Snowman7]

Snowman,

Let me first say I'm sorry things got so off track between us on this thread. That was MY fault as I was trying to cover 4 or 5 different threads that "Jared" posted in as well as several PM's from other posters about the poster "Jared". Being in a rush ( yes, I do have a personal life too ), I got in a hurry. That is no excuse for the way I sounded and for that I am sorry.

Maybe you didn't see the other posts by "Jared". If you had, you would have known right away who he was. The fact that our postings happened in this thread has NO bearing about unions at all. It's an old topic that has come up many times and has always had a lot of debate ( some of which has been VERY heated ).

The last thing I want to touch on is this: Just because we ( the moderators ) have an opinion on a subject does NOT mean in any way that someone with a different opinion may be ban or thought less of. That is NOT the way this board works. I know there are many boards out there that work this way but this is NOT CAD's way of doing things. You and I can disagree all day long, but you will not be ban ( or warned ) for that, EVER!

CFM had been warned, and warned, and warned again. As per the TOS it was only temporary TILL he tried to by-pass the ban. ( Read the TOS in regards to this ).

All in all.... I have just come off a 12 hr shift. I have to sleep. I just want you to know where I'm coming from.


Ridge

It all makes sense. Things were not that far off track. Just a small misunderstanding. Certainly not the worst we've seen on this board!

I wasn't surprised Frosty was banned, just that he was banned after so long doing the same thing. I had come to accept it as Frosty being Frosty.

Your first come back caught me a little off guard considering part of the topic at the time was respect to other members. If we had a history of friendly sparring back and forth it would have been no big deal. Now that we do ... Kiss my $%$#@&!!! (YES IT"S A JOKE!)

Now as for Roadhog...When I saw you had posted in this thread I expected something funny to lighten the situation. Then I see something intelligent, insightful, calming and well thought out...wtf? Where's the comic relief! So you're funny and smart eh? If you were better looking you'd have it all wouldnt you? Of course where you live you're probably Cassanova.

[Roadhog]

"Tempers are wearing thin...lets just hope some robot doesn't kill everybody!"

"Awah...I'm gonna go build my own theme park! With blackjack and hookers! In fact, forget the park!"

[Ridge Runner]

First off I want to thank Roadhog for putting into words what runs thru my mind but I can't seem to get down in type. My written skills have always sucked. Verbal I can hold my own. I just can't seem to get it down on paper. :?

Second: Snowman... No harm no foul. Now that we have a "history"...BITE ME!!! :wink:

Third: TimberWolf.......... When a moderator chimes in with an opinion about a subject it is just that, an opinion. Is it too much to ask that we be allowed to express ourself too? Our opinion carries no more weight than that of any other poster here. I guess we could create another account and post our opinions under a different name.....but that wouldn't be fair would it? It would also be aganst the TOS.

They could care less

Your right, we could care a whole lot less than we do. :wink:

I asked for opinions on the union and received only a few educated respones your's being one of them. the rest were just people with outspoken opinions which is not unusual in fact it is the norm..

If you knew that these responses where going to happen then why are you asking for the thread to be locked when you got exactly what you knew you would get? Sorry, but I just don't understand that logic.


Ridge

[TimberWolf]

Ridge wrote:
When a moderator chimes in with an opinion about a subject it is just that, an opinion. Is it too much to ask that we be allowed to express ourself too? Our opinion carries no more weight than that of any other poster here.

Just as I said Opinions are like *******s everyone has one..... I fully understand this...

The logic behind my seeking to get answers on the the Teamsters coming into UPS Freight and what to expect was simply that... I was hoping to get a few educated answers to my question and I did, I was also ready for the host of off the hoof answers from people just like myself and you who read a post and respond before they have a chance to clearly think thru their words, as I clearly stated it is Human Nature...

I asked for the thread to be locked because it was no more harsh then a previous thread that was locked some time ago when the posters did not see eye to eye and began to banter back and forth, I just wanted to see how you would choose to respond to this thread that clearly was hijacked and began to turn south...
Again human nature....

Timberwolf

[Ridge Runner]

It's kind of hard to respond to your statements when I don't even know what thread you are talking about. If you'll provide a link, or point me in the right direction I will be glad to take a look at it and maybe I'll be able to answer your question.

I have a hunch tho that you have already answered your own question:

I asked for the thread to be locked because it was no more harsh then a previous thread that was locked

:? I'm sorry, but I just don't understand that thought process.

I just wanted to see how you would choose to respond to this thread that clearly was hijacked and began to turn south

If you wanted to see how the moderators re-act to that kind of situtation, look at any thread here.

Last but not least: What is the "human nature" you speak of?

[TimberWolf]

Don't worry about it Ridge, It is no big deal. As I always say, in fact to the point my kids have it tatooed on their brains.. IT IS What It Is.....

By human nature I simply mean how most people react to any given situation, An example would be how you reacted to snowman's comment about CFM in your response post to him, or how I have reacted to some post I don't like or agree with. or the politicians responding to the latest scandel they speak out first against the guilty person as if they commited a major sin, then a month down the road you will hear about them doing the very same thing.
Act first - think later, is human nature for the most part, not always...But in general that is how humans respond, it is more so on any message board as the reader really has no idea the mood or thoughts of a poster and can misconstrue words very easily..

Life goes on....

Have a great weekend..

Timberwolf