Lying companies and their Recruiters

[Jumbo]

How do companies get away with promising new drivers the stars and the moon only to disappoint them with nothing they promised. If you promised someone one thing and gave them another how would your reputation suffer? I have not been burned by a recruiter. I was just wondering how other people get away with it.

[BIG JEEP on 44's]

They get away with it , Because none of the sunshine is in Writing ...If you notice the only obligations that are in writing are what the company expects from the driver in terms of commitment/responsibility , But nothing concrete that the company must provide the driver as far as pay /benefits that the recruiter mentions while trying to sell you that used car they call an OTR trucking job . :wink:

[got mud?]

How do companies get away with promising new drivers the stars and the moon only to disappoint them with nothing they promised. If you promised someone one thing and gave them another how would your reputation suffer? I have not been burned by a recruiter. I was just wondering how other people get away with it.

they get away with it because for every person they upset screw over or lie to, their are 3 more lined up to take their place!

Most of the time you cant blame the recruiter. they are sales personal hired by the company to attract drivers. Its funny how these large companies will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on ads and recruiters to attract new drivers but fail to spend the money to keep drivers!

The company's that have happy drivers and low turn over don't advertise or have recruiters because they don't need them!

these mega carriers are stuck in the same rut as large corporations. they bring on fresh meat to get the job done but because it cost so much to bring in new people and train that they can't afford to pay well or keep people happy so they need more people. the cycle keeps going and getting bigger and worse until one day it becomes their own demise. the people at the top could care less though because they will walk away with their severance package and go find another company to run into the ground!

its called GREED!!!

[wildkat]

In reality...sorry to say, it's just as much the driver's fault as it is that of the recruiter.

Like anything else, it's buyer beware.

Drivers really fail to do the proper research, many are so anxious to get out there driving they fail to properly research a company. They don't talk to other drivers, people out there actually doing the work.

What I find is to talk to the NEW drivers hired on somewhere, no just the guys who have been somewhere for awhile, they are the ones that will tell you what's REALLY going on.

Always remember, recruiters are PAID to tell you what they think you want to hear! That's their JOB!!

So when considering a company to work for,& this applies to whether you are a company driver or a lease operator.... DO THE RESEARCH!!! Know what you are getting into BEFORE you start.

If you are going for the driver training programs really know what you are getting into, how much of a commitment they require, how much money you need to live, if & when you are getting paid & how much. Always remember .... it doesn't matter what the mileage rate is....if you don't get any miles you don't make any money!

[Fozzy]

I always laugh when I see this BS about recruiters and companies that "lie". The fact is that 99% of drivers (if not more) ask about three questions to a recruiter

1. How fast will the truck run?

2. How many pennies per mile?

3. What kind of truck will I drive?

Just like most people selling something, they are only going to volunteer the information that you request.

[rexgrove]

In reality...sorry to say, it's just as much the driver's fault as it is that of the recruiter.

This is it in a nutshell. I did all the research I could do, but in the end went with a company that was not known for treating rook's well. Exp'd drivers even told me as much and I thought, "how can it be that bad?!?"

And I also thought that there were labor laws . . . or heck, some kind of laws that kept workers from being treated as poorly as new drivers. I think I committed assume-a-cide.

[wildkat]

In reality...sorry to say, it's just as much the driver's fault as it is that of the recruiter.

This is it in a nutshell. I did all the research I could do, but in the end went with a company that was not known for treating rook's well. Exp'd drivers even told me as much and I thought, "how can it be that bad?!?"

And I also thought that there were labor laws . . . or heck, some kind of laws that kept workers from being treated as poorly as new drivers. I think I committed assume-a-cide.

Unfortunatley, if you actually READ the labour laws...most say EXCEPT transportation...meaning US...no wonder they think we are dumb! Most labour laws do NOT apply to truck drivers! Hours of work are regulated by federal law, there is NO provision for overtime, stat holidays, etc, REMEMBER that!

Defintion of assume...it makes an ***** out of you & me! In this industry... there is ONE cardinal rule... NEVER assume anything!!!

[Fozzy]

I forgot about question #4 & 5..

4. Can I take my 150 pound dog(s) with me?

5. Can I raise my new girlfriend's 3 kids in the truck?

[Twilight Flyer]

How 'bout this one, Fozzy?

"Can I take my Bengal Tiger with me?"

That beats the "I need a double bunk so I can take my fish aqaurium with me."

[Windwalker]

How 'bout this one, Fozzy?

"Can I take my Bengal Tiger with me?"

That beats the "I need a double bunk so I can take my fish aqaurium with me."

By any chance, do you remember what company the guy was with? The one with the tiger?

A few years back, I was talking my dog for a walk. I rounded the back end of the trailer and......

When I got back to the truck, I grabbed the shower bag and got a shower. The next time I stopped to take the dog for walk, he REFUSED to go outside.

Even a half-grown tiger is a sight to behold when you don't expect it. A dead stop from 3 feet apart, and I don't have any idea what the guy with the leash was saying.

Also saw a guy with a monkey. Not a very big one, but really cute. It grabbed everything in my shirt pocket, and would rather bite than give it back.

[rexgrove]

[quote="wildkat"]

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Defintion of assume...it makes an ***** out of you & me! In this industry... there is ONE cardinal rule... NEVER assume anything!!!

Exactly!

[Twilight Flyer]

I don't remember where he was, but this guy had 4 of them he had raised from cubs and would take them out on the truck with him 1 at a time.

Now, I've worked with exotic animals before and taking care of baby tigers and baby bears was always top of the list in entertainment and pure enjoyment. But this ain't a dog...bengals get really, really big. I simply cannot fathom having one in a truck. WOuld any company even accept the liability of one of their drivers having one in the truck? What would happen if the driver had a medical condition or an accident...something that puts a 400+ pound carnivore into a pissy mood?

:shock:

[Darin Younce]

As a newbie , I learned it is not what you ask but how you ask it. I remember our class went to PLT trucking for a road trip. While there we visited their orientation room. A recruiter came in and gave his presentation . He mentioned that for every 7 days out , you get 1 dayoff.
I thought , great, I could be home at least one day a week . I found out he ment 21 days ( if you are lucky) out then you have three days coming but it may take a week to get you home. It was about then all the class decided to go flatbedding. Promises of being home 97% on weekends sounded dang good to us rookies . I went to Maverick for orientation and found out they don't guarantee getting you home and if you do get home , it could be as little as a few hours to a 34 hour restart.
The problem is most newbies ( including me) don't know the correct questions to ask,nor the way to ask the question. Isaw a lot of long faces
after I got to Maverick , not because they are a bad company, they seemed like a great company, but most newbie drivers , didn't have a clue what OTR trucking was all about , ( including me).

[ben45750]

I always laugh when I see this BS about recruiters and companies that "lie". The fact is that 99% of drivers (if not more) ask about three questions to a recruiter

1. How fast will the truck run?

2. How many pennies per mile?

3. What kind of truck will I drive?

Just like most people selling something, they are only going to volunteer the information that you request.

I would love nothing more to start an argument with Fozzy but he's 100% correct.

I don't even open the threads on here about "the recruiter's lied to me" because I know that isn't the case. Drivers don't ask the right questions or they didn't pay attention to what the recruiter actually said. Most assume a recruiter is just another Joe who answers the phone when in all actuality they are well paid and well trained sales people.

[kips41]

Drivers only hear what they want to hear when they talk to a recruiter.
Plus if you are calling and talking to an over -the-road irregular route carrier. You can assured of two things 1. You will not be home much.
2. You will always be given loads to where you don't want to go.

Then when they get on board they think that they are supposed to being treated special. Then you only hear the drivers side of the story and I am like Paul Harvey.....I wanna hear the rest of the story !!!

I have been with the same carrier for a long time....do I get special treatment sometimes....you bet....but being at the same place since '92
and never had an accident.....I earned it and the new hires have got to put in their time.

[BIG JEEP on 44's]

Drivers only hear what they want to hear when they talk to a recruiter.
Plus if you are calling and talking to an over -the-road irregular route carrier. You can assured of two things 1. You will not be home much.
2. You will always be given loads to where you don't want to go.

Then when they get on board they think that they are supposed to being treated special. Then you only hear the drivers side of the story and I am like Paul Harvey.....I wanna hear the rest of the story !!!

I have been with the same carrier for a long time....do I get special treatment sometimes....you bet....but being at the same place since '92
and never had an accident.....I earned it and the new hires have got to put in their time.

Well if you ask a recruiter pay questions they will dodge the truthfull answer of low pay with bonus money .

Home time ...well if I'm told I can home weekend I should be home weekends ..if I'm not I've been ...LIED...to :wink:

there are many other points I could mention for pay,hometime,And ploicy ...But the fact is that recruiters do lie ,Because bending the truth is a lie , And yes recruiters do not "volunteer" information that is negative even if they know it is relevant to a general question that has been asked , And if the persective employee isn't savy enough to ask probing questions they don't volunteer the relevant information knowing it's part of the general question that was asked, But will volunteer all the sunshine type information even if not asked for with a probing question infact they will usuall embelish this positive information ,which is just a shade below a complete lie ...Also how can you say that recruiters don't lie and are not dihonest when they knowingly leave out details to questions if the person asking isn't savy enough to ask all the right probing questions ...That's like saying if an eldery woman went to buy a used car , at a dealer ,and did not specifcally ask if the transmission was sound , that it's not dishonest to sell a car with saw dust in the transmission that breaks down 1 week after driving off the lot , Because afterall she did not ask them the specific probing question about the transmission ,and therefore the information wasn't volunteered .. :wink:


Heck I had a student that told me his recruiter "Frenando" at werner told him that he would be up to .37CPM in his first year of service ...Now please tell me again that recruiters do not lie :wink:

[dollarshort]

I forgot about question #4 & 5..

4. Can I take my 150 pound dog(s) with me?

5. Can I raise my new girlfriend's 3 kids in the truck?

What about #6: How much chrome can I buy and put on a truck that I don't own? I will never figure that one out.

[enobeenob]

Promises? What employer promises a employee anything in the first place? If anyone thinks when you get a job that you are going to get the moon and the stars you have to be as dumb as a box of rocks.

The only promises in life are; We will all die one day, and we will all pay taxes.

One thing you gotta remeber in this also is....its not so much the recruiters really...they are just doing a job. They are selling what the company tells them they need to sell. Most dont make up what they tell you...it comes from the company that has a product(job) they need sold and the recruiters are the salesmen doing the dirty work.

[Useless]

Like Windwalker, I've been quite busy over the last year, so I'm a wee bit out of the loop as well.

As a whole, I'd say that in all fairness, recruiters do shoulder their share of blame, but not all of the blame. I suppose that I was one of the lucky ones; In the process of selecting a company to drive for, I dealt with a very good recruiter, and to top it all off, I had an excellent trainer and an awesome dispatcher.

Was it all just luck?? I think not. I kissed a few frogs, dealt with some dogs, and wondered why anyone would want to work for some of the companies that I researched. After some SOUND RESEARCH, I found a good, solid, mid sized carrier where the driver was a name, not just a number. Niether the company nor the recruiter promised me the moon or a rocket to get there, but they DID deliver on all that they promised.

In the time that I've been here at CAD, I've seen noobs and wannabees who would solicit advice from others, then throw tantrums because they were not being told what they wanted to hear. Go back and research many of the old "C.R. England" threads if you want a prime example of what I'm talking about...... mentioning CRE, it seems that we are a bit overdue for another "CRE's A Great Company And All Of You Drivers Who Dare To Criticize Them Are Wrong" thread, always initiated by some dweeb who has yet to turn his first mile in a big truck.

I've also seen other noobs who went to the time and expense of getting theeir CDL's, only to discover that they were, for all intents and purposes, unhireable due to shabby driving records or criminal histories. We've seen threads initiated by people who seek advice on how to lie on a job app. and get away with it.

Then, there is the infamous, and seemingly endless crys for help from other desperate (ex)drivers, under the title of "I Failed My Drug Test, Please Help Me!!"

Just look back at the times where noobs or wannabees come here with zero experience, along with a list of desires, or even demands, that read like an employment Christmas Wish List. As "Fozzie" pointed out, look at how many noobs come with the "How Fast Will My Truck Go", "What about CPM", and "Can I Be Home Each Weekend To Serve Out THe Rest of My Jail Sentence" mentality!! These poor souls set themselves up for failure before they even begin...... and this is the first place they'll come to crying foul when they fail.

Now, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a Wannabee or a Noob; in fact, that is largely what this place is about!! The Wannabees and the Noobs who are willimg to accept some difficult, sometimes even harsh realities, the ones who come prepaired to "cowboy up" and pay their dues, and the ones who are willing to listen with open minds AND conduct proper research are the ones who are most likely to make the better choices, and in the end, survive.

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