Time Stamps & Dates ......

[Icky_]

Any1 have any idea's how to remove the Date & Time. Of when a load was loaded'd or shipped a friend told me of this 1 product that he use's and u can't tell the was a Date or a Time on his Bill of Lating nor could u tell it was taken off the bill's. It was some green solution I think he called it.

[HOTROD29335]

why are you wanting to do this?

[Icky_]

B/c I find myself sitting around in Loading yards for hours on end there's runs I do local and to get there n get back i can do in 11 hours drive time but if I sit @ ther LDyard for 2 1/2 hours then sit unLDing for 2 1/2 hour's I shot my 14 in the ass I'm an hour from home and my book says I have 2 do my 10.

[jeremyh]

Here's a good solution. QUIT! If you have to lie, cheat, or mis-represent yourself in anyway then first off you don't have any character and second this company should be shut down. There is a reason we have safety standards in this industry. It's because of companies that run the driver until the driver gets in trouble then they just go onto the next low life.

Any1 have any idea's how to remove the Date & Time. Of when a load was loaded'd or shipped a friend told me of this 1 product that he use's and u can't tell the was a Date or a Time on his Bill of Lating nor could u tell it was taken off the bill's. It was some green solution I think he called it.

[HOTROD29335]

Here's a good solution. QUIT! If you have to lie, cheat, or mis-represent yourself in anyway then first off you don't have any character and second this company should be shut down. There is a reason we have safety standards in this industry. It's because of companies that run the driver until the driver gets in trouble then they just go onto the next low life.

Any1 have any idea's how to remove the Date & Time. Of when a load was loaded'd or shipped a friend told me of this 1 product that he use's and u can't tell the was a Date or a Time on his Bill of Lating nor could u tell it was taken off the bill's. It was some green solution I think he called it.

yep id quit before you kill someone or yourself where are you from and what company is this so ill know to steer clear of them and their truks on the road

[Orangetxguy]

B/c I find myself sitting around in Loading yards for hours on end there's runs I do local and to get there n get back i can do in 11 hours drive time but if I sit @ ther LDyard for 2 1/2 hours then sit unLDing for 2 1/2 hour's I shot my 14 in the ass I'm an hour from home and my book says I have 2 do my 10.

If that is the case, and it isn't an every day thing, you have the chance to log one 16 hour day, each week, if you do re-sets, and do not cross state lines.

Now..if the product you are hauling is a hazardous material, and you, for any reason, alter the shipping documents, such as removing date and time stamps..YOU face jail time if caught. If you have an accident, they are going to back check the papers you hold in your hand.
The government authorities, as well as lawyers for those "others" invovled with your accident, will go directly to the shipper, for their information on how the load was handled. And yes...each shipper is required to keep marked copies of each and every load they ship, which includes the unit numbers of the vehicle the load went on, the date and time the load was placed on to the unit, as well as the name of the loader nd the driver at the time of loading.
The monetary fines (from the governments involved) can run into the 10's of thousands of dollars and settlements with accident victims can run into the hundreds of thousands, if not millions...just because you decided to make a change on your copies, so you could sleep in your bed. You would be responsible for those monies..not your employer, the shipper, nor the receiver.

You can also be fined by the DOT, if improper alterations to documents are found during a company audit (every carrier must retain copies of each hazmat load carried, for 10 years). You want to be very careful with the choices you make.

Even if the load isn't hazmat...when the law and the lawyers start looking, you stand a good chance of being caught with those altered papers. Most companies do not time stamp load papers on non-haz loads, because it is not a DOT requirement that the time be marked (on non-hazmat loads)..only the date.

[Icky_]

Oh so yer telling me ur 30 mins to an 1 from the house and you drivin 8 hours total but ur 14 is up ur goin to pull over for your 10 an return back to work after ur 10 and get 30 mins to an hour from home again the next nite and sleep there again and repeat it over known that ur goin to be 30 mins to an hour from the house

[Icky_]

Here's a good solution. QUIT! If you have to lie, cheat, or mis-represent yourself in anyway then first off you don't have any character and second this company should be shut down. There is a reason we have safety standards in this industry. It's because of companies that run the driver until the driver gets in trouble then they just go onto the next low life.

Any1 have any idea's how to remove the Date & Time. Of when a load was loaded'd or shipped a friend told me of this 1 product that he use's and u can't tell the was a Date or a Time on his Bill of Lating nor could u tell it was taken off the bill's. It was some green solution I think he called it.

yep id quit before you kill someone or yourself where are you from and what company is this so ill know to steer clear of them and their truks on the road

Nice how I get my @ss jumped b/c sum people think I'm bending my book NOT once did I say I bend my book I was asking

[jeremyh]

You have to think why you are put in that position in the first place. If your company properly accomidated their drivers properly by putting them in situations where they can do the run within the legal limit. If they cannot do that then they have to change to be more accomidating and not force their drivers to break the law.

[Orangetxguy]

It's your life..but like Jeremy said..if you cannot abide by the regulations..you need to change professions.

Myself.....if I'm an hour from the house and out of hours to drive, then yea...I take the 10 hour break. Just the same as if I use up my hours getting loaded, and only get 50 miles down the road from the shipper. if the hours are gone, the truck stops.

I've been doing this since 1979 and I have never been put out of service or ticketed by the DOT, or reprimanded by my employer, for the manner in which I do my job.

[HOTROD29335]

i was just reading some of ickys other post ad he seems to be very hard headed and will do what he wants just hope if he wrecks he dosnt kill or hurt someone

[jeremyh]

why even ask? Why comprimise your character like that?

Here's a good solution. QUIT! If you have to lie, cheat, or mis-represent yourself in anyway then first off you don't have any character and second this company should be shut down. There is a reason we have safety standards in this industry. It's because of companies that run the driver until the driver gets in trouble then they just go onto the next low life.

Any1 have any idea's how to remove the Date & Time. Of when a load was loaded'd or shipped a friend told me of this 1 product that he use's and u can't tell the was a Date or a Time on his Bill of Lating nor could u tell it was taken off the bill's. It was some green solution I think he called it.

yep id quit before you kill someone or yourself where are you from and what company is this so ill know to steer clear of them and their truks on the road

Nice how I get my @ss jumped b/c sum people think I'm bending my book NOT once did I say I bend my book I was asking

[Uturn2001]

While I could be wrong on this, but I was always under the impression that freight bills were considered documents right up there with checks, W-2's, etc and that altering them is a federal offense, regardless of the product being hauled.

[HOTROD29335]

Nice how I get my @ss jumped b/c sum people think I'm bending my book NOT once did I say I bend my book I was asking


sure sounds like your trying to bend something

[mbadriver]

Jeremyh sure is a judgemental little fellow! Such people are usually quick to judge because of a personality defect or moral conflict. Kind of like the gay hating Senator from Idaho who got caught soliciting a male cop in the Minneapolis Airport.


Some guy once said, "Stop judging that you may not be judged; for with what judgment you are judging, you will be judged; and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you."

This guy is trying to make a living he doesn't need you questioning his character or calling him a low life.

Here's a good solution. QUIT! If you have to lie, cheat, or mis-represent yourself in anyway then first off you don't have any character and second this company should be shut down. There is a reason we have safety standards in this industry. It's because of companies that run the driver until the driver gets in trouble then they just go onto the next low life.

Any1 have any idea's how to remove the Date & Time. Of when a load was loaded'd or shipped a friend told me of this 1 product that he use's and u can't tell the was a Date or a Time on his Bill of Lating nor could u tell it was taken off the bill's. It was some green solution I think he called it.

[DD60]

Any1 have any idea's how to remove the Date & Time. Of when a load was loaded'd or shipped a friend told me of this 1 product that he use's and u can't tell the was a Date or a Time on his Bill of Lating nor could u tell it was taken off the bill's. It was some green solution I think he called it.

Hi Chad/Colonel Toon.

[HOTROD29335]

Jeremyh sure is a judgemental little fellow! Such people are usually quick to judge because of a personality defect or moral conflict. Kind of like the gay hating Senator from Idaho who got caught soliciting a male cop in the Minneapolis Airport.


Some guy once said, "Stop judging that you may not be judged; for with what judgment you are judging, you will be judged; and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you."

This guy is trying to make a living he doesn't need you questioning his character or calling him a low life.

Here's a good solution. QUIT! If you have to lie, cheat, or mis-represent yourself in anyway then first off you don't have any character and second this company should be shut down. There is a reason we have safety standards in this industry. It's because of companies that run the driver until the driver gets in trouble then they just go onto the next low life.

Any1 have any idea's how to remove the Date & Time. Of when a load was loaded'd or shipped a friend told me of this 1 product that he use's and u can't tell the was a Date or a Time on his Bill of Lating nor could u tell it was taken off the bill's. It was some green solution I think he called it.

so are you saying its ok if he bends the book how would you feel if a truck driver had lied on his logs and fell asleep and killed your family?
woud you just say well he is just tryin to make a living?

look i have family on the road and to me a driver lying on his logs should be dealt with the same way as someone who is charged with attempting to kill with a deadly weapon because that is what they are doing meaning to or not

[Lunker]

I got one for ya, why is it not ok for a commercial driver to work a few extra hrs, but it's ok for a nurse, doctor, fireman or ambulance driver? I understand I have a lot of responsibility behind the wheel, but why are we singled out as being unsafe after 14hrs? Was there some scientific study done that shows drivers are considered too risky after 14hrs? What inspired the current HOS rules to begin with?

[enobeenob]

I got one for ya, why is it not ok for a commercial driver to work a few extra hrs, but it's ok for a nurse, doctor, fireman or ambulance driver? I understand I have a lot of responsibility behind the wheel, but why are we singled out as being unsafe after 14hrs? Was there some scientific study done that shows drivers are considered too risky after 14hrs? What inspired the current HOS rules to begin with?

A Mother whose daughter was killed by a tired truck driver who fell asleep and crashed head on into her daughters car. It was found out later the truck driver was over his hours and falsified his log book. The Mother started MATT ( Mothers Against Tired Truckers) and fought to change the HOS rules.

[mbadriver]

If the shipper is close by, just start your log when you are loaded. Kind of like you parked the tractor there, or picked up preloaded trailer. That will knock off 2.5-hours and give you plenty of time to complete your day in a safe manner.

Of course have your log ready to go on the off-chance you are pulled over or need to cross a scale.

It would be semi-retarded to log on-duty, drive 10-minutes, and then wait 2.5 hours to get loaded. If it's a routine pick up, can you leave the rig there overnight, or must you start and finish from your terminal?

Your employer will never tell you to do this. He figures you are a professional and will figure it all out.

Good luck from one No Character/Low Life to another :wink:

B/c I find myself sitting around in Loading yards for hours on end there's runs I do local and to get there n get back i can do in 11 hours drive time but if I sit @ ther LDyard for 2 1/2 hours then sit unLDing for 2 1/2 hour's I shot my 14 in the ass I'm an hour from home and my book says I have 2 do my 10.