tarping?

[Jay B]

[quote="chuck3507"]

[How else are you going to secure small coils on pallets eye to the sky?

trip chains front and rear, chain over top.

[terrylamar]

[quote="Jay B"]

[How else are you going to secure small coils on pallets eye to the sky?

trip chains front and rear, chain over top.

I don't know what trip chains are. Maybe what we call U chain.

Depending on the weight I would U chain the front and back and X strap the front and back with one strap across each. If the weight warranted it, X straps, with one strap across the center for the ends and X strap each in the center. I tend to over secure. I would not chain because they tend to come lose.

[devildice]

If the weight warranted it, X straps, with one strap across the center for the ends and X strap each in the center. I tend to over secure. I would not chain because they tend to come lose.

yep........and it also depends on what the coil is. We haul a lot of small aluminum coils that are palletized "eye to the sky" and the you must use straps to prevent or limit damage.

[jarce110]

work for tmc they will show you how to tarp pretty good

[dewercs2]

Hi all...

I was only sayin that this is what my previous company had told me. Then when I was out of training and hearing it from other drivers. You just don't tarp first and then throw straps. Some of the reasons were:

1) You can't see your load and what if any damage your doing to the load.

2) When you tighten the straps on a lumber or pipe load sometimes your tarp will bunch under the strap which will either rip or atleast damage it.

Now for eye in the sky coils.... that was fun. Especially large ones. Throwing 7 straps over the top and then one strap to the front pulling and one strap on the rear pulling... now which strap was on the bottom so I could start tightening the straps in order :? ..... Then nailing the veeboards down to cage the pallet.... For us at Davis we had to have our side kits up.

[terrylamar]

work for tmc they will show you how to tarp pretty good

Hey, that's a good idea, I might check them out!

[RottsATruckin]

I saw a perfect example today of why you do NOT tarp then secure over the tarp…I only wish I’d taken a photo of this aberration on the hwy.
A driver for Boyd passed me in OK, I saw him in my mirrors hauling what looked like an oversized load, perhaps one of those big fuel tanks that hang over the trailer by 3 feet on either side, with a loose fitting tarp over it, then as he passed me I saw a typical square load with a tarp over it, no bungies, just 6-8 straps and some rope holding the tail together, the entire tarp was inflated by the wind causing it to balloon out several feet over the trailers rails, the entire thing was flapping wildly, looking like one of those inflatable bouncers kids jump on at the fair. :shock:

[terrylamar]

I saw a perfect example today of why you do NOT tarp then secure over the tarp…I only wish I’d taken a photo of this aberration on the hwy.
A driver for Boyd passed me in OK, I saw him in my mirrors hauling what looked like an oversized load, perhaps one of those big fuel tanks that hang over the trailer by 3 feet on either side, with a loose fitting tarp over it, then as he passed me I saw a typical square load with a tarp over it, no bungies, just 6-8 straps and some rope holding the tail together, the entire tarp was inflated by the wind causing it to balloon out several feet over the trailers rails, the entire thing was flapping wildly, looking like one of those inflatable bouncers kids jump on at the fair. :shock:

How did the straps over the load contribute to this? You still need bungies when appropriate.

[MAD2/MADII]

work for tmc they will show you how to tarp pretty good

Hey, that's a good idea, I might check them out!

hmm tmc u say. that might be a good company. ill call aand ask my disbatcher on wends if it is.

MAD2 92347 perrrty black pete with gold letters oh i almost fergot em lil chrome pieces too.

[chuck3507]

work for tmc they will show you how to tarp pretty good

Hey, that's a good idea, I might check them out!

hmm tmc u say. that might be a good company. ill call aand ask my disbatcher on wends if it is.

MAD2 92347 perrrty black pete with gold letters oh i almost fergot em lil chrome pieces too.

Well I drive for their competition and even I will tell you it is very uncommon to meet a TMC driver that isn't happy.

[devildice]

Well I drive for their competition and even I will tell you it is very uncommon to meet a TMC driver that isn't happy.

hmmmmm.......I am sure 90 or 99% are happy there, but over the past couple of months I must have met the 1 to 10% that are unhappy as they all claimed they were leaving the company and never looking back

[Jumbo]

I saw a perfect example today of why you do NOT tarp then secure over the tarp…I only wish I’d taken a photo of this aberration on the hwy.
A driver for Boyd passed me in OK, I saw him in my mirrors hauling what looked like an oversized load, perhaps one of those big fuel tanks that hang over the trailer by 3 feet on either side, with a loose fitting tarp over it, then as he passed me I saw a typical square load with a tarp over it, no bungies, just 6-8 straps and some rope holding the tail together, the entire tarp was inflated by the wind causing it to balloon out several feet over the trailers rails, the entire thing was flapping wildly, looking like one of those inflatable bouncers kids jump on at the fair. :shock:

How did the straps over the load contribute to this? You still need bungies when appropriate.

You guys probably don't remember but back in the day we used to use canvas tarps and wooden wedges to keep them tight. AHH progress.

[RottsATruckin]

I saw a perfect example today of why you do NOT tarp then secure over the tarp…I only wish I’d taken a photo of this aberration on the hwy.
A driver for Boyd passed me in OK, I saw him in my mirrors hauling what looked like an oversized load, perhaps one of those big fuel tanks that hang over the trailer by 3 feet on either side, with a loose fitting tarp over it, then as he passed me I saw a typical square load with a tarp over it, no bungies, just 6-8 straps and some rope holding the tail together, the entire tarp was inflated by the wind causing it to balloon out several feet over the trailers rails, the entire thing was flapping wildly, looking like one of those inflatable bouncers kids jump on at the fair. :shock:

How did the straps over the load contribute to this? You still need bungies when appropriate.

I agree, this wasn’t about “straps over tarps” but rather a good example of a lazy driver who chose to secure his tarps with his load securement instead of using bungies. Thus waving a big red (or in this case blue) flag for any DOT officer to see.

[downsouthdriver]

I saw a perfect example today of why you do NOT tarp then secure over the tarp…I only wish I’d taken a photo of this aberration on the hwy.
A driver for Boyd passed me in OK, I saw him in my mirrors hauling what looked like an oversized load, perhaps one of those big fuel tanks that hang over the trailer by 3 feet on either side, with a loose fitting tarp over it, then as he passed me I saw a typical square load with a tarp over it, no bungies, just 6-8 straps and some rope holding the tail together, the entire tarp was inflated by the wind causing it to balloon out several feet over the trailers rails, the entire thing was flapping wildly, looking like one of those inflatable bouncers kids jump on at the fair. :shock:

How did the straps over the load contribute to this? You still need bungies when appropriate.

I agree, this wasn’t about “straps over tarps” but rather a good example of a lazy driver who chose to secure his tarps with his load securement instead of using bungies. Thus waving a big red (or in this case blue) flag for any DOT officer to see.

I was talking to a Canadian driver at a GP back in June who refereed to the practice of throwing straps over the tarp as the "French way" of tarping.

[klleetrucking]

Straps over tarps says to me, I don't know how to tarp. "Just thinking out loud".

[downsouthdriver]

Straps over tarps says to me, I don't know how to tarp. "Just thinking out loud".

I've done it once when I got screwed out of almost all of my bungees on a Laredo drop and hook. I had about 25 bungees to tarp a lumber load.

So there are times that call for it.

[rvrjr7]

on lumber loads i personally dont see why someone cant throw straps over the tarps. i do it so the tarps dont come off the load but i also bungee the tarps like the straps werent there. I have had one tarp shred on me going down the road

[Root]

There is a time to tarp first and strap over it, as much as I hate the practice in Principle: My two best examples:

1. Load o Sheetrock/ plywood/ OSB/ particleboard, (Read: Moisture Sensitive Product.) And there's a measurably significant risk o Precipe at your unload point.. (In certain areas, like the coast, Fog and Dew can be significant enough..).
Strapping over the tarps allows you to hit your drop point, unstrap and stow your gear, pull and stow bungies making D*mn sure you leave enough on to hold tarps in place..
At unload, you can execute a "peek-a-boo" or "Reveal" live unload in the rain by drawing the tarp up or back for the forklift to 'get a bite', minimizing exposure to ambient weather conditions.
And in cases like this I try like hell to get a Sig on the BOL before the first bundles come off - If they're gonna make the call, they're gonna take the risk. And if nothing else there's abundant evidence that you did everything You could as a driver to accommodate the situaiton.

2. Lowe's/ Home Depot JunkMix loads: same principle. Let'em fork it out from under the tarps..
If you handle yourself well, you'd be surprised how many Receivers will sign off in advance in inclement weather conditions. And that's your only Real release from a damage claim..

As they unload the trailer, rear to front, front to rear, (doesn't matter in Bad Weather), I leave the tarps piled on the trailer until we're done. That way I can fold the tarps 'up on deck' and not have to do it on wet ground/ pavement/ mud AND not have to dik with a Tarp Lift from a Fork Op who's probably not gonna come back for you 15-30min after he/she's ducked off back inside the building. :wink: Tarps'll be wet, yeah.
But as clean as you're gonna be able to keep'em...

I strap the load, put the tarp on and many many times I've strapped down the tarp to prevent it from filling with air. I have 25 straps and winches on my flatbed and I hate having a tarp blowing around on an odd shaped load.